1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

Yeah his back cannot be right at all

I mean the fact he returned 6 months removed from back surgery and didn’t miss first game is pretty remarkable. Granted he hasn’t looked right all year. I thought for sure he was going to stat the season on PUP and they’d have Kendall and Toth battle it out for a month+ til Jurgens returned. That said i also think there is likely some mental stuff involved with this. I’m not sure jurgens fully trusts his back to hold up and may be compensating to protect it from getting re-injured 

2 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Maybe, but his back isn't causing him to whiff so spectacularly so frequently. Getting overpowered I could blame on the back, completely whiffing is something else.

Oh i would wager it is. Bend, core strength and technique will all be compromised. Bending st the waist to protect his lower back

We are the only fanbase in the nfl where coming off a dominant Super Bowl with a Super Bowl mvp and winningest coach in the league is followed by 12 wins and the division they want those 2 benched and fired. 🤣🤣

2 hours ago, Arsenal79 said:

Not sure if posted already but I agree. Bench Jurgens and start Toth in the playoffs.

Should've happened over a month ago, he's been bad all year and Toth stepping in and performing better should have been the catalyst to that change. They've been handcuffing themselves all year. Pre-selected a buffoon for OC with no real effort to interview anyone else, refuse to adapt their playcalling despite every advanced metric saying they're awful, and have played hurt guys on the OL all year despite it being one of the biggest issues after the idiotic playcalling.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d love to see Williams play. I’ve argued for a while he can be a starting caliber OL in this league and his upside is big. If he goes out there in week 18 and plays well gives me more confidence that next year he might be able to be a highly competent backup. Then potentially the year after and another year of development be a starting caliber OL. Like if we’re gonna sit the starters, I would love to see what he looks like after 18 weeks of learning the offense and months with stoutland. Same with Kendall.

Less than a year ago...

5 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

The Rams terrify me. I don't want to meet them until the NFC Championship game should we get there and I'm not interested in ending the misery quickly. Bring on several more weeks of being upset with the performance on O.

As for Sunday, rest the starters and beat Wash with our backups.

If we lose round one it will hurt but false hope being one step away will hurt more. Also, it may mean KP sticks around. If they are going out I want them embarrassed by being bounced quickly so changes have to be made.

Like I said they are the biggest challenge and even though I feel they get the Eagles this time I'd rather do it full strength and rested vs after an injury or after a few physical rounds that drains the defense because they are on the field so much.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d love to see Williams play. I’ve argued for a while he can be a starting caliber OL in this league and his upside is big. If he goes out there in week 18 and plays well gives me more confidence that next year he might be able to be a highly competent backup. Then potentially the year after and another year of development be a starting caliber OL. Like if we’re gonna sit the starters, I would love to see what he looks like after 18 weeks of learning the offense and months with stoutland. Same with Kendall.

Then they'd have to carry Williams on the 53-man through the playoffs or phantom IR him after the game. Generally the league looks the other way at phantom IR, but that might be such a spit in the face that the league has to investigate.

Keeping Williams on the 53 man also prevents them from being able to carry a player on the game day roster for the playoffs that they could use. You're only allowed to call up 2 PS guys per game. Hughlett is one and the other is either Andre Sam (4th S assuming no Mukuba/STer) or Patrick Johnson (core STer). If Williams stays on IR you can use that 53rd spot for either Sam and PJ, and use the other as your 2nd PS elevation. But with Williams on the 53-man, you're forced to activate a player who is little used - even on ST - such as Ty Robinson and/or Michael Carter, whose spot could be better filled PJ or Andre Sam.

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Less than a year ago...

Yes, we all knew he should’ve went back to school. If he did, he was projected to be a first or second round pick we always knew it was going to take him two or three years to get to the point of reaching his potential. Just because you get beat on a play does not mean it defines who you are for the rest of your career. If that’s the case check out Brandon brooks, seumalo and Kelce in college. They too had bad reps

5 minutes ago, devpool said:

Should've happened over a month ago, he's been bad all year and Toth stepping in and performing better should have been the catalyst to that change. They've been handcuffing themselves all year. Pre-selected a buffoon for OC with no real effort to interview anyone else, refuse to adapt their playcalling despite every advanced metric saying they're awful, and have played hurt guys on the OL all year despite it being one of the biggest issues after the idiotic playcalling.

That OC selection is going to waste a year they should be winning another SB. They are the most complete team Terry B is right. Yeah, the OL has issues but it’s one bad or inept choice after another. Nobody can tell me the Bears or 49ers have more offensive talent than the Eagles and look at the points they put up. It's criminal how they wasted the talent on the team this year.

Sadly, I think it's going to cost them and be something we talked about until next September.

Just now, erformc said:

Then they'd have to carry Williams on the 53-man through the playoffs or phantom IR him after the game. Generally the league looks the other way at phantom IR, but that might be such a spit in the face that the league has to investigate.

Keeping Williams on the 53 man also prevents them from being able to carry a player on the game day roster for the playoffs that they could use. You're only allowed to call up 2 PS guys per game. Hughlett is one and the other is either Andre Sam (4th S assuming no Mukuba/STer) or Patrick Johnson (core STer). If Williams stays on IR you can use that 53rd spot for either Sam and PJ, and use the other as your 2nd PS elevation. But with Williams on the 53-man, you're forced to activate a player who is little used - even on ST - such as Ty Robinson and/or Michael Carter, whose spot could be better filled PJ or Andre Sam.

Again, I said it was unlikely. What I said was I would like to see it because I would like to see what he looks like. Because it gives me a better evaluation against NFL level talent on what he can be after they’ve worked with him for months. Again, I don’t see them doing it and think it’s unlikely

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yes, we all knew he should’ve went back to school. If he did, he was projected to be a first or second round pick we always knew it was going to take him two or three years to get to the point of reaching his potential. Just because you get beat on a play does not mean it defines who you are for the rest of your career. If that’s the case check out Brandon brooks, seumalo and Kelce in college. They too had bad reps

He's got some slow feet, Cpt. Jack was a good college player but he's never been too scary as a fastball off the edge. In any case, if CW plays, it should be at RT with a TE chip to keep Tanner alive.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Again, I said it was unlikely. What I said was I would like to see it because I would like to see what he looks like. Because it gives me a better evaluation against NFL level talent on what he can be after they’ve worked with him for months. Again, I don’t see them doing it and think it’s unlikely

I understand what you're saying, but the reality is they haven't "worked with him" for months. He's only been on the practice field for 2 weeks since his IR window opened, after having not having done anything since Week 1. For Tanner McKee's sake, I'd sooner bring up Pierce from the PS, since he has been getting practice reps against starters and doing individual drills since training camp

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4 minutes ago, erformc said:

I understand what you're saying, but the reality is they haven't "worked with him" for months. He's only been on the practice field for 2 weeks since his IR window opened, after having not having done anything since Week 1. For Tanner McKee's sake, I'd sooner bring up Pierce from the PS, since he has been getting practice reps against starters and doing individual drills since training camp

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I’d argue being able to training in the weight room and film study is working with him for months. I highly doubt he’s not in that building every day and they’re not working with him on stuff that he can improve on even if it’s not on the practice field. There’s stuff you can do that doesn’t relate to the practice field. Everybody thinks you have to be on the practice field to be getting better. Quarterbacks don’t just get better being on the practice field and playing m. They watched tape to get themselves better.

I’d pretty surprised if stoutland said you are on IR (likely phantom IR too) so I don’t really care about you right now and I’m not gonna give you stuff to work on. we’re not gonna help you in your development year when we knew what this was when we drafted you. Hard time believing the Eagles haven’t been working with them behind the scenes in the weight room, with film, giving him homework to work on and film yo study and now practicing. Working with him isn’t just on the practice field imo

One thing I was thinking of when it comes to the Rams vs other NFC teams.

As great as the Eagles defense is, the one thing that can give even a great defense fits is a mobile QB. You have everything bottled up and covered and then they take off for a key first down on 3rd and long. Stafford is obviously very good, but he's the one QB in the playoffs who isn't gonna take off and run on you. If the Eagles DL can win the LOS vs the Rams, you don't have to worry about Stafford escaping and still breaking your backs like you would with Purdy and Darnold(to a lesser extent).

Every matchup has their pros and cons.

42 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The counterpoint would be they want to add Williams to the 53 for this week so they can go Williams/Toth/Kendall/Pryor/Fred on the O-line. Otherwise, they need to elevate Pierce from the PS, or Mailata has to play. I want Jordan to get some rest along with Cam and Landon. You could put Pryor at LT and have Steen play RG, but then you might want life insurance on McKee for when he gets blasted by a blind side hit.

Either way, I expect Huglett on the PS by tomorrow, though if I were the Rams, I'd consider claiming him as payback for Lampkin.

If Huglett is claimed, we have no LS for next game. They better have Plan B to fall back to.

1 minute ago, Penn7980 said:

If Huglett is claimed, we have no LS for next game. They better have Plan B to fall back to.

They'd sign Admomitis off of the Steelers PS

13 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

He's got some slow feet, Cpt. Jack was a good college player but he's never been too scary as a fastball off the edge. In any case, if CW plays, it should be at RT with a TE chip to keep Tanner alive.

we are basing it on one play in college? I get he has slow feet but there’s a lot of starting caliber OL who have gotten beat on one play by mediocre nfl players (guys who didn’t even make the league) in college. Again, this was always a red shirt year for Williams. It was always going to take them time to develop. That was the book on him. It’s why everyone said he should go back to college, collect a big NIL and develop more then he’d have gone higher in the 2026 draft.

I never said he was going to be an all pro starter. No I didn’t. I said he could be a starting caliber player. Which I don’t think is out of the question because I think stoutland made vaitai a solid/competent starter, who got a nice contract from the Lions. Imo would argue Williams, has a higher ceiling than vaitai did coming out of Texas.

31 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I mean the fact he returned 6 months removed from back surgery and didn’t miss first game is pretty remarkable. Granted he hasn’t looked right all year. I thought for sure he was going to stat the season on PUP and they’d have Kendall and Toth battle it out for a month+ til Jurgens returned. That said i also think there is likely some mental stuff involved with this. I’m not sure jurgens fully trusts his back to hold up and may be compensating to protect it from getting re-injured 

The O line injuries were mishandled this year. Mailata even said they were still worn out from all the running plays last season and the longer season with playing in the SB so a shorter offseason, which is a great thing of course. But they should have not rushed guys back from injury. Dickerson was hurt in camp or preseason whenever that was, and rushed back. Jurgens should have waited until he was truly ready. O linemen love being warriors that play through injury but when you are a detriment to the team you have to sit and get healthy. They can't even run the tush push as effectively, the main reason for that play isn't the push part it's the interior line and Hurts legs.

O line health was a huge issue not only for the lack of run game but also protecting Hurts on passing plays. We've talked about it a lot, but overall the problems with the OC and QB were the main talking points. If the O line were more effective and dominant (not expecting last year because that was epic, but something closer to that), and the run game were more productive that would have made a huge difference and made up for the passing issues.

So, I was thinking about this as he crapped the bed last night -- if Jaquiski Tartt could catch, Matt Stafford is basically Phillip Rivers. Borderline hall of famer who likely gets in but not on the 1st try. The media has really built him up into an elite QB, and his own personal cheerleader Orlovsky is out there calling him a top 10 all time QB (which is legitimately insane). Tartt makes that pick, or Burrow isn't pressured by AD in the Super Bowl, and Stafford is at best a borderline hall of famer. Rivers had LT, but he didn't have Megatron.

Rivers:

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d argue being able to training in the weight room and film study is working with him for months. I highly doubt he’s not in that building every day and they’re not working with him on stuff that he can improve on even if it’s not on the practice field. There’s stuff you can do that doesn’t relate to the practice field. Everybody thinks you have to be on the practice field to be getting better. Quarterbacks don’t just get better being on the practice field and playing m. They watched tape to get themselves better.

I’d pretty surprised if stoutland said you are on IR (likely phantom IR too) so I don’t really care about you right now and I’m not gonna give you stuff to work on. we’re not gonna help you in your development year when we knew what this was when we drafted you. Hard time believing the Eagles haven’t been working with them behind the scenes in the weight room, with film, giving him homework to work on and film yo study and now practicing. Working with him isn’t just on the practice field imo

I don't doubt any of what you say, but all the weight room time and classroom work in the world doesn't equate to time on the practice field, especially for young players who are projects to begin with. Things like proper footwork and hand placement techniques aren't developed through mental reps and study in classrooms or in weight rooms, but rather through hundreds and thousands of practice reps, especially on the scout team.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah, I have a feeling they’re gonna be the Sunday night football game unless they get the 2 seed and face Gb. They might not be in that case. That said rams losing last night eliminated Seattle from being a 6 seed. If Seattle wins, rams 5 seed and Buffalo becomes the 6 seed and chargers 7 then i think schedule is likely

Saturday: rams vs TB/carolina

Saturday primetime: jags vs bills

Sunday Amazon: ne vs. chargers

Sunday late afternoon: bears vs. packers

Snf: eagles vs. sf

MNF: Texans vs. ravens/steelers

If sf wins and Buffalo 6 seed then I’d say the same just eagles are playing rams.

If we become the 2 then i could see them flipping us to late afternoon Sunday and bears vs. rams/sf to snf

Yeah I am just sticking to my theory that came up from assigning the Niners-Seahawks game to a Saturday. If the Eagles play the Niners, I definitely see the Niners playing on Saturday and the Eagles with a short week. AlthoughTB/Carolina also falls under the same conditions.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

The O line injuries were mishandled this year. Mailata even said they were still worn out from all the running plays last season and the longer season with playing in the SB so a shorter offseason, which is a great thing of course. But they should have not rushed guys back from injury. Dickerson was hurt in camp or preseason whenever that was, and rushed back. Jurgens should have waited until he was truly ready. O linemen love being warriors that play through injury but when you are a detriment to the team you have to sit and get healthy. They can't even run the tush push as effectively, the main reason for that play isn't the push part it's the interior line and Hurts legs.

O line health was a huge issue not only for the lack of run game but also protecting Hurts on passing plays. We've talked about it a lot, but overall the problems with the OC and QB were the main talking points. If the O line were more effective and dominant (not expecting last year because that was epic, but something closer to that), and the run game were more productive that would have made a huge difference and made up for the passing issues.

I pointed out earlier in the season there are not robots. Sit out a couple of weeks and a couple of months after back surgery and you’re gonna be fine. it is not Madden football where the next year they’re gonna magically be back to what they are cause got surgery and time off. It’s not like that in real life and there’s a lot of other factors in involved.

Like i said with Jurgens. He didn’t get to train like usually does in the offseason as he’s rehabbing which probably hurt him. Imo also kind of think some of his is mental. It is easy to say had surgery and you are fine. But that isn’t necessarily true. There’s a mental hurdle.

There is an accumulation and a toll to pay for playing in a Super Bowl in middle of February. Add on playing 9 extra games the last 4 years.

Imo I think they rushed guys back cause they didn’t fully trust their backups. It’s why they also went and traded for Fred Johnson. I think their plans in this year‘s draft were to get guys they like that they thought in a year from now with development could be their backups. And they be on cheap contracts. And they’re young. And they would hope that one of the guys they took could eventually with development become a starter over the course of the rookie contract.

8 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

One thing I was thinking of when it comes to the Rams vs other NFC teams.

As great as the Eagles defense is, the one thing that can give even a great defense fits is a mobile QB. You have everything bottled up and covered and then they take off for a key first down on 3rd and long. Stafford is obviously very good, but he's the one QB in the playoffs who isn't gonna take off and run on you. If the Eagles DL can win the LOS vs the Rams, you don't have to worry about Stafford escaping and still breaking your backs like you would with Purdy and Darnold(to a lesser extent).

Every matchup has their pros and cons.

If you pressure Stafford, he can be rattled (see last night, playoff game last year). The Rams line is good, not great. I think we can pressure him again like we did in the playoffs last year, and that makes him much less effective. We had 5 sacks and 6 QB hits against him in the playoffs last year, and I'd argue out pass rush is better now (Phillips > Sweat, Ojomo > Williams, Davis > Davis, Hunt better this year and JC hopefully healthy). We only sacked him once back in September, but we hit him 7 times -- that game was his lowest QB rating all year before last night (Atlanta sacked him 3 times and hit him 5 times). Our pass rush is significantly better now.

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

we are basing it on one play in college? I get he has slow feet but there’s a lot of starting caliber OL who have gotten beat on one play by mediocre nfl players (guys who didn’t even make the league) in college. Again, this was always a red shirt year for Williams. It was always going to take them time to develop. That was the book on him. It’s why everyone said he should go back to college, collect a big NIL and develop more then he’d have gone higher in the 2026 draft.

I never said he was going to be an all pro starter. No I didn’t. I said he could be a starting caliber player. Which I don’t think is out of the question because I think stoutland made vaitai a solid/competent starter, who got a nice contract from the Lions. Imo would argue Williams, has a higher ceiling than vaitai did coming out of Texas.

I've thought almost since the first time I watched him (right after the draft) that Williams might have a future at guard. He looks like a powerful guy who has waistbending issues which can be exploited on the outside. But he's powerful enough to be something at guard, kinda like Becton. (Yes, I know he's not as big as Becton. Almost no one is.)