Howie sniping them having ripple effects.

19 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

They could stop the practice of calling the prospects and ensuring that they are alive and out of jail. Then we’d all find out at the same time (in theory).

i don’t think that’s going to help. THere’s got to be a communication process when the card is turned in for them to queue up highlights, get cameras ready, maneuver the people in the back room, etc etc. Somewhere in there lies the problem with info coming out.

I have doubts the ASU OT would’ve been there at 23. Lomu I had zero interest in. So that would’ve left the Oregon safety as the only guy I would’ve taken in the 1st. I still question taking a slot type in the 1st, but if he can be Puka/ASB level, no one will be complaining.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

I understand going BPA and reacting to the board. At the same time, if the Eagles are gonna get their OT of the future, it's never likely going to fall into their laps unless they just have a disaster season and pick in the top 10. Or they trade for a pick of a team that picks in the top 10. OTs go early in every draft. It's just what it is. So if the Eagles are gonna be picking in the 20s every year because they're good and aren't willing to surrender the draft picks necessary to move up high enough to get one and just keep taking BPA available... ok fine, but you're never gonna get your OT of the future that way. Assuming OT of the future is a desired elite OT prospect.

This is why I loved Max Iheanachor for them. You get the talent of a top 10 pick OT at the expense of waiting a bit to coach him up. Which is also a perfect fit because that gives him a year to learn behind Lane (and to fill in when he gets hurt).

You get the blue chip OT talent and a perfect fit with time to integrate him into the lineup, all at the cost of 23 overall.

Like you said…next year they are trading up for an OT. Howie likes going into drafts with optionality so the draft can speak to him as his pick approaches. It’s going to be really, really difficult to do that in round 1 next year.

Trading for a veteran OT next offseason could be on the menu instead, perhaps.

26 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

We are going to have to disagree on position. Eagles played a very x, y, z approach last year. I don’t think we see that this year. I think we will see more movement and thus more change of positioning. But I don’t think Lemon is anymore limited to the slot than I think Jefferson would have been.

I will be very surprised if either Lemon or Smith take a high percentage of snaps at split end. Lemon just isn’t that great against press coverage, so you want him off the LOS.

Now of course they will take some snaps there, but if they are taking a high percentage there then we are failing to utilize our players to their strengths and hiding their weaknesses.

Just now, Saltpeter said:

I have doubts the ASU OT would’ve been there at 23. Lomu I had zero interest in. So that would’ve left the Oregon safety as the only guy I would’ve taken in the 1st. I still question taking a slot type in the 1st, but if he can be Puka/ASB level, no one will be complaining.

I’m confident Iheanachor would have made it to 23. Dallas was taking Lawrence at 20. Pittsburgh would have taken Lemon at 21. The Chargers at 22 already have two good young offensive tackles. Maybe they trade down, but they weren’t going with Iheanachor.

Sure didn't do alot outside of one nice run after catch against projected too corner in next year's draft.

2 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

i don’t think that’s going to help. THere’s got to be a communication process when the card is turned in for them to queue up highlights, get cameras ready, maneuver the people in the back room, etc etc. Somewhere in there lies the problem with info coming out.

If they can manage instant replay during a football game, the producers can surely queue up highlights at the draft following the announcement and it’s in their best interest to have a compelling product. The players/agents are the leak throwing these scraps to insiders.

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I would have been much happier to have Lemon if he fell to us at 23. And I would also have been happer if we had a safety or edge right now with two 4th round picks still in our arsenal.

Sure, but we know for a fact Lemon would not have fallen to us at 23 because Pittsburgh was on the phone with him to pick him at 21.

I'm a bit concerned about scheme fit with Lemon, but I am not concerned about the value - it was virtually unanimous that he was the top rated player on the board at that point, and I certainly get why Howie felt like those 4th rounders were worth going up to get him. You can't always have your cake and get to eat it too.

The question is would the Eagles have taken Iheanachor at 23. We know how much they value OT, yet they passed on him. So they clearly didn't love him that much. Would they have loved him enough at 23? I'd bet if they couldn't get up for Lemon, Howie probably trades down. I can't see Howie being comfortable just settling for a player he ended up passing on. Howie is all about extracting value.

I am curious who was higher on their draft board: Freeling or Lemon.

They said the only player who they got wrong in their projected top 15 was Lemon, so their projected draft didn't have Freeling going top 15. Howie also said Lemon was top 15 on their board. Where in the top 15, who knows.

9 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I understand going BPA and reacting to the board. At the same time, if the Eagles are gonna get their OT of the future, it's never likely going to fall into their laps unless they just have a disaster season and pick in the top 10. Or they trade for a pick of a team that picks in the top 10. OTs go early in every draft. It's just what it is. So if the Eagles are gonna be picking in the 20s every year because they're good and aren't willing to surrender the draft picks necessary to move up high enough to get one and just keep taking BPA available... ok fine, but you're never gonna get your OT of the future that way. Assuming OT of the future is a desired elite OT prospect.

Sucks being a well-run team.

The goal should be the Dickerson/Jurgens model - Day-2 picks that develop into fringe Pro Bowl talents. It will now be a challenge without Stoutland. But that doesn't there isn't a path to a solid, reliable OT to replace Lane.

34 and 104 from Arizona for 54 and McKee and grab McNeil-Warren at 34 if SF doesn't pick him?

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

Yep. Hollywood is what they hoped Quez Watkins could become, with the exception that Quez was their 3rd WR and Hollywood will be their 4th. Imagine if they add a legit TE tonight to pair with Goedert. Good luck trying to figure out who key on when they have Smitty, Lemon, Wicks, Hollywood, Goedert, and a rookie TE to spread the ball around to. Hurts's life will never better either since he can just sit back and throw it to the open guy drive to drive, week to week, without having to worry about a selfish loser whining to get the ball and stirring up drama.

Don't forget Brown. Brown is a member of the Philadelphia Eagles.

4 minutes ago, paco said:

Don't forget Brown. Brown is a member of the Philadelphia Eagles.

Would be funny if he's still a member of the eagles week 1

Concepcion will be my what-if from this draft. He obviously was at least a whole tier behind Lemon on the Eagles board, but I could very easily see him being a three-level threat who can play all three WR positions while handling manufactured touches.

24 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Howie sniping them having ripple effects.

Maybe we will move up ahead of them again and take another WR that they wanted.

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Concepcion will be my what-if from this draft. He obviously was at least a whole tier behind Lemon on the Eagles board, but I could very easily see him being a three-level threat who can play all three WR positions while handling manufactured touches.

Doesn't he have a pretty high drop rate though?

28 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I understand going BPA and reacting to the board. At the same time, if the Eagles are gonna get their OT of the future, it's never likely going to fall into their laps unless they just have a disaster season and pick in the top 10. Or they trade for a pick of a team that picks in the top 10. OTs go early in every draft. It's just what it is. So if the Eagles are gonna be picking in the 20s every year because they're good and aren't willing to surrender the draft picks necessary to move up high enough to get one and just keep taking BPA available... ok fine, but you're never gonna get your OT of the future that way. Assuming OT of the future is a desired elite OT prospect.

They obviously didn't like the OT prospects in round 1, they could have had almost any of them. They traded up for a WR they valued as a top 15 on their board who fell. That tells you they didn't like those OT. A lot of people have said that the OTs in this draft were projects. The kind of OT you're talking about that is a bona fide top OT prospect to step in and start right away is the type they can get next year. They're going to trade AJ Brown for a pick next year. If they have their own 1st and the Pats 1st or whatever other ammo, they can trade up.

What do folks here think about Bryce Lance? Would seem to complement Lemon and Smith well, and there’s of course the lazy comparison to Christian Watson

23 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

"Thinking out loud," no you're trying something and can take your time to gather your thoughts, proofread and edit before clicking post. 😄

34 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I understand going BPA and reacting to the board. At the same time, if the Eagles are gonna get their OT of the future, it's never likely going to fall into their laps unless they just have a disaster season and pick in the top 10. Or they trade for a pick of a team that picks in the top 10. OTs go early in every draft. It's just what it is. So if the Eagles are gonna be picking in the 20s every year because they're good and aren't willing to surrender the draft picks necessary to move up high enough to get one and just keep taking BPA available... ok fine, but you're never gonna get your OT of the future that way. Assuming OT of the future is a desired elite OT prospect.

They’ll trade up for the right guy. This year did not have an OT worth making a big move to get. It was a very weak class.

So the best move is to take some lottery ticket guys like we did last season with Hinton and Williams and see if they develop.

Just now, NOTW said:

They obviously didn't like the OT prospects in round 1, they could have had almost any of them. They traded up for a WR they valued as a top 15 on their board who fell. That tells you they didn't like those OT. A lot of people have said that the OTs in this draft were projects. The kind of OT you're talking about that is a bona fide top OT prospect to step in and start right away is the type they can get next year. They're going to trade AJ Brown for a pick next year. If they have their own 1st and the Pats 1st or whatever other ammo, they can trade up.

I think they liked Proctor and would have taken him over Lemon. Iheanachor they obviously didn't. Freeling is the question mark. If the Panthers take someone else and Freeling and Lemon were on the board who'd have they taken?

Based off the scant breadcrumbs we've gotten, I'd say they probably had Lemon higher on their board given they projected him top 15, rated him top 15 and didn't project Freeling top 15. But they could've also had Freeling high on their board they just didn't predict teams to take him til outside the top 15. We just don't know.

Either way, this all becomes moot if the Eagles eventually get "that guy" at OT. But until that happens, all these drafts where they couldn't get OT early will be looming. But I'll say this I'll feel worse if they take an OT in round 2 tonight. Would feel like taking one out of panic.