31 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

C’mon let’s not do the homer fan thing where the second someone great leaves town they are no longer amazing anymore as a means of copium.

Stout was a generational OL coach. We’ve had the best OLs under him in the NFL for a decade had our most successful eras under him and he played a huge part in it. Will the team completely spiral into irrelevance without him? I don’t think so, but let’s not pretend he’s not some huge loss and didn’t make an incredible impact. Take it from the players themselves, our OL named their own university after the guy. Great coach, great developer of talent. And not every team and coach can develop talent well. We had a coach who was best at it in the NFL. I’m not gonna short change the guy now that he’s out the door. Look at that loser baseball team across the street that can’t develop talent to save their lives.

When Kelce retired, he made a special gratitude to Stoutland for the years he played under his coaching. That said a lot about the coach and what he means to this players.

Last season debacle changed the offensive staff. The mistake on putting the wrong OC in place has caused a rather extensive effect. We don't know it the current offensive staff could deliver the results we want. We hope for the best, but if they come up short, the damage of a bad decision is far reaching.

We were close on Hendrickson?

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Was looking at the FA class next year at safety, there’s a handful of guys with deals coming up and teams that had regime changes. I still wonder if something happens in that area in the trade market after the draft before the season starts

It's likely that Howie makes other moves beyond the draft at some point. He almost always does

Where are the two 2’s we were supposed to get for McKee? The McKee I was told should be starting over Super Bowl mvp Jalen Hurts? My God we have the dumbest fing fans. Nobody is starting no fing McKee.

21 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yep. That’s why the pick is so confusing. Well that and Howie basically saying when he talked about adding blocking to the TE room he meant just having a third string TE who is a designated blocker.

Could have double dipped if we had a few more picks

A te in the fifth wouldnt be a bad use of the pick

27 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

You conveniently left out how he sabotaged the offense due to hubris and ego about his "run-game coordinator" status. And enough with the "generational" nonsense - he was handed an insane amount of talent, and it's not like he "coached up" any bums or talentless guys into becoming great.

The game passed him by. We've had great OL before Stout and we'll have great OL after Stout, as long as Howie continues to bring in big-time TALENT.

Sabotaged the offense?

C'mon man. Don't be ridiculous. They went to 3 SBs with the guy as OL coach, have a little gratitude. This isn't an objective take, this is a scorned lover emotional take. He sabotaged nothing, he's had enough success to where he's certainly entitled to feel disrespected when they wanted to basically demote him after all the success he's had and btw the team was a top rushing team in the NFL for years with him as RGC.

He developed Jordan Mailata a guy who never played football in his life into a Pro Bowler. If you can't credit his development for that you're just being a hater.

Don't take my word for it, take it from the players. But I guess they are all lying too then because you're bitter about him leaving and now don't want to give him credit for anything. Absurd takes there.

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We were close on Hendrickson?

I doubt that

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We were close on Hendrickson?

They were in the mix, but Sileo doesn't know anything. Garafolo said at one point he thought the Eagles were gonna get Hendrickson but he didn't say it was close he said things were lining up to where he saw a path toward that happening, but then the Crosby deal got nixed. Also I think Colts were the runner up.

21 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Time to look at New England’s roster to see if they have any safeties to include in the AJ Brown trade.

42 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

C’mon let’s not do the homer fan thing where the second someone great leaves town they are no longer amazing anymore as a means of copium.

Stout was a generational OL coach. We’ve had the best OLs under him in the NFL for a decade had our most successful eras under him and he played a huge part in it. Will the team completely spiral into irrelevance without him? I don’t think so, but let’s not pretend he’s not some huge loss and didn’t make an incredible impact. Take it from the players themselves, our OL named their own university after the guy. Great coach, great developer of talent. And not every team and coach can develop talent well. We had a coach who was best at it in the NFL. I’m not gonna short change the guy now that he’s out the door. Look at that loser baseball team across the street that can’t develop talent to save their lives.

No short changing Stoutland. Merely stating others have been and will be very good. Howard Mudd was Stout before Stout. Others that have been great: Scarnecchia, J.Gibbs (The Hogs coach) and A Gibbs when T Davis ran wild in Denver, Callahan, Mckittrick, and more. Stout was great for us, but others have been and others will be.

10 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Stowers will take over for Calcaterra as the blocking TE.

Mundt will be the blocking TE. Calcaterra will be flipping burgers.

It seems they are comfortable at safety with who they have plus adding a guy later but not even necessarily in the draft. With Woolen solidifying CB2, the safety position will be the weak spot on the roster this year, but they are hoping the upgrade at Edge and CB2 will make up for that. We'll see if the thoughts about Michael Carter playing some safety come true as well. They could still draft a safety today, we'll see. But with a day 3 pick it's more of a developmental not a reliable guy unless they get lucky.

11 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

theres basically no one in attendance in Pittsburgh right now. pathetic. Bring it back to philly.

It’s literally the 250th anniversary of the country. If it’s not in Philly then DC or Boston. Not fn Pittsburgh

7 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

Wonder who if anyone could have value and be traded for picks tomorrow. McKee? Maybe one of the corners? No one probably wants them. Shipley? Cooper?

Maybe just McKee I guess.

Last night we watched players predicted pre draft as going Day3. Why are you so anxious to trade assets for what is left?

The Stowers pick is one I've warmed up to more since last night. I never hated the pick. I preferred Jacas and EMW there and going Delp in round 3, but the TEs who went after Stowers weren't exactly sure things either. Delp has a lot of talent but his lack of production is alarming which is why I never would've taken him in round 2 and Klare has a lot of talent as well, but I don't think projects to be a high end starting TE. And his production hasn't been amazing either.

Stowers has a far greater ceiling than Delp, Klare and others that have gone after him. The blocking is obviously the issue. The thing is, Klare and Delp aren't great blockers either. Better than Stowers, but still not good. So thinking about it I'd rather have a TE who has elite pass catching upside who can't block than a TE who can only block a little bit but doesn't have anywhere near the pass catching upside.

And if the Eagles are creative enough they can use him in a variety of ways. Kinda like a joker at times like the Browns used Fannin this year.

There's no need to rewrite history that Stoutland was a problem. Yes, they had great O line before him, and Stout was a great O line coach who developed guys including making a rugby player an elite LT. The players loved him. He was probably close to retirement anyway. The coaching staff last year got desperate because Patullo sucked and had no answers and Stout didn't want to change what he's been doing (successfully) for so many years so they pushed him aside from run game coordinator and tried something new. Now that they're changing scheme altogether with Mannion, Stout thought it a good time to step away. At his age he doesn't want to implement a new scheme.

And there are also other good O line coaches and good O lines in the league, players that get developed. The Eagles had a really good O line coach in Castillo prior. Let's hope Kuper is a good one as well.

5 minutes ago, paco said:

It’s literally the 250th anniversary of the country. If it’s not in Philly then DC or Boston. Not fn Pittsburgh

I saw a social media post showing video of Primanti's, saying the newly drafted players should celebrate by getting a sandwich at the iconic place. Thankfully, the comments were loaded with people bashing it as overrated (it is) and trashing other Pittsburgh food. The Pitt fans were getting rage baited. They're having a tough week over there. 🤣

Seems a lot of people liked Delp at TE. Would you have preferred him and taken someone else in the 2nd? Or is Stowers a better TE despite the lack of blocking?

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The Stowers pick is one I've warmed up to more since last night. I never hated the pick. I preferred Jacas and EMW there and going Delp in round 3, but the TEs who went after Stowers weren't exactly sure things either. Delp has a lot of talent but his lack of production is alarming which is why I never would've taken him in round 2 and Klare has a lot of talent as well, but I don't think projects to be a high end starting TE. And his production hasn't been amazing either.

Stowers has a far greater ceiling than Delp, Klare and others that have gone after him. The blocking is obviously the issue. The thing is, Klare and Delp aren't great blockers either. Better than Stowers, but still not good. So thinking about it I'd rather have a TE who has elite pass catching upside who can't block than a TE who can only block a little bit but doesn't have anywhere near the pass catching upside.

And if the Eagles are creative enough they can use him in a variety of ways. Kinda like a joker at times like the Browns used Fannin this year.

I like Lemon and Stowers in isolation, but together they seem to be competing for slot snaps. Bell has upside as a pass protector, and he moves well for his size but he doesn’t move well for the position. When I correlate these selections together, I see the movement to an high volume passing offense without much emphasis on the run (let alone OZ).

8 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Seems a lot of people liked Delp at TE. Would you have preferred him and taken someone else in the 2nd? Or is Stowers a better TE despite the lack of blocking?

Two very different players/roles

But i would rather have taken the toledo safety or OL and added delp

Caveat that with that i dont yet understand what the scheme will really look like on offense. We havent really used an F type in recent history have we?

3 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Draft today. Barely. Need more picks.

UDFA shopping tonight.

39 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

When Kelce retired, he made a special gratitude to Stoutland for the years he played under his coaching. That said a lot about the coach and what he means to this players.

Last season debacle changed the offensive staff. The mistake on putting the wrong OC in place has caused a rather extensive effect. We don't know it the current offensive staff could deliver the results we want. We hope for the best, but if they come up short, the damage of a bad decision is far reaching.

Kelce played under two of the greatest OL coaches of all time. We shouldn’t forget it was Howard Mudd who identified Kelce and developed him from a 6th round pick into a starting center. Stoutland took over after the hard work was done.

2 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Two very different players/roles

But i would rather have taken the toledo safety or OL and added delp

Caveat that with that i dont yet understand what the scheme will really look like on offense. We havent really used an F type in recent history have we?

Calculator was our F type - but he was basically ignored as pass catcher (what he could do well) and used as a blocker in 12 personnel… which aside from split zone where he just needs to get in the way of the backside DE was an utter failure. If they use Stowers in the same exact way, it will be underwhelming.

Think a 5th and Ringo gets you into the upper part of the 4th?