58 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

So because you can’t find it online you think he’s lying about his age?

Possibly. Certainly wouldn't be the first instance of that happening. Even if he isn't lying about his age, he doesn't even really know his actual age.

This Mannion guy playing with Payton at TE looks slow and not crisp coming out of his breaks

Since many rookie tryouts walk away with not much more than a jersey with their name on it, it was a righteous move by the Birds to do this.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

1 hour ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Feel a little bad for these kids. If you look at their pictures when signing they are all smiles and happy as they should be. But MAYBE one makes the team. Hopefully at least half can make the practice squad.

Beyond the usual "discount a round" per year heuristic, there's another aspect you have to consider with 1st round picks - the 5th year option. Depending on position, that's a hugely valuable asset that won't come with picks in later rounds. Really, other than ILB and maybe RB, the 5th year option is a discounted way to gain an extra year of control (that then gets wrapped into an extension). It's MASSIVE for a QB - even at $43.4mm for a QB that makes the pro bowl 2 or more times in his first 3 seasons, it's a bargain vs. a $55mm plus AAV extension. At $25.9 million for playing time only, it's a steal for a QB you want to keep. But it works at most positions - Nolan Smith at $13.75mm for one year, no long term commitment, is a no brainer as an example.

@HazletonEagle - I know you want a new QB. You should want a 1st, even in 2028, to have the 5th year option. Take that 2028 1st, combine with our 2027 1st, and you have ammo to move up in 2027 if we want to move on.

The 5th year option really elevates the value of 1st round picks well beyond the old Jimmy Johnson value chart.

I don't see why Howie would just accept it though if the Patriots are trying to play hardball with their 2027 1st. Tell them to go F off. Seriously. They aren't owed AJ Brown. Tell them if they want the big player they gotta give up the big price. Otherwise, have fun with Doubs and Boutte next season.

Man, I forgot how monstrous Hollin Pierce is. Makes Ball look almost regular size.

Until you look at those other OL

Just now, Sack that QB said:

I don't see why Howie would just accept it though if the Patriots are trying to play hardball with their 2027 1st. Tell them to go F off. Seriously. They aren't owed AJ Brown. Tell them if they want the big player they gotta give up the big price. Otherwise, have fun with Doubs and Boutte next season.

My personal belief is we are looking at a 3rd in 2027 and a 1st in 2028, which I would happily take. That 2028 1st is an asset that can be used to move up in 2027 if need be.

Aj is worth what he's worth which we'll find out soon. I guarantee you there are multiple WRs in this league that multiple teams would be willing to trade a 2027 1st for today after the draft & FA. We'll find out if AJ is in that list or not.

Eagles are going to need to spend time with Bernard teaching him how to anchor, bend his knees and stay lower from the clips I have seen.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

My personal belief is we are looking at a 3rd in 2027 and a 1st in 2028, which I would happily take. That 2028 1st is an asset that can be used to move up in 2027 if need be.

I would not be ok with that. For the 1st to be 2028 then a 2027 pick would have to be a 2nd rounder for me. Value-wise a 2027 3rd and 2028 1st would be less than what the Dolphins got for Waddle if you consider the farther away the pick the less value on the market it has. And to me that would just not be acceptable. AJ Brown is the best WR in Eagles history, to not being able to see your return until 2028 on that comes off as weak. Do not let the Patriots dictate the demands here. 2027 is projected to be a great draft. I want immediate returns and in a good draft. And also I believe the Patriots will take a big step back this season so it's the perfect time to get their pick. If they do step back like I believe they will then that means 2027 is an easier schedule for them and could be a big bounce back season and a worse pick. I know that's jumping way ahead, but still. I've believed for a while going back to March Howie would be pursuing 2027 picks and I have faith Howie will deliver. Don't let me down Howie.

Such soft hands. Every clip of his displays such great snatch and hold hands.

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I would not be ok with that. For the 1st to be 2028 then a 2027 pick would have to be a 2nd rounder for me. Value-wise a 2027 3rd and 2028 1st would be less than what the Dolphins got for Waddle if you consider the farther away the pick the less value on the market it has. And to me that would just not be acceptable. AJ Brown is the best WR in Eagles history, to not being able to see your return until 2028 on that comes off as weak. Do not let the Patriots dictate the demands here. 2027 is projected to be a great draft. I want immediate returns and in a good draft. And also I believe the Patriots will take a big step back this season so it's the perfect time to get their pick. If they do step back like I believe they will then that means 2027 is an easier schedule for them and could be a big bounce back season and a worse pick. I know that's jumping way ahead, but still. I've believed for a while going back to March Howie would be pursuing 2027 picks and I have faith Howie will deliver. Don't let me down Howie.

The question is - do we have any other realistic suitors for AJ? Rams, Chiefs, etc.? We don't HAVE to trade him, but we owe him $29mm cash this year vs. a $23.4mm cap number, so the dead cap increases again. It's a weird situation where there both sides are lacking leverage. To get a higher price, we need another team to engage.

I don't worry about the 2028 pick being "far away" because it's just an asset we can use to move up in 2027 if need be. If Jalen performs well, and QB isn't a need, then we have 3 1st round picks over 2 years to replenish pieces on offense. If Jalen doesn't take to the offense, then we have 3 1st round picks to move up in 2027 for a franchise QB.

Some back ups and rookies in PS games may face an OL of Fred, Pierce, Kendall, Morris and Ball. That’s a huge OL.

18 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Beyond the usual "discount a round" per year heuristic, there's another aspect you have to consider with 1st round picks - the 5th year option. Depending on position, that's a hugely valuable asset that won't come with picks in later rounds. Really, other than ILB and maybe RB, the 5th year option is a discounted way to gain an extra year of control (that then gets wrapped into an extension). It's MASSIVE for a QB - even at $43.4mm for a QB that makes the pro bowl 2 or more times in his first 3 seasons, it's a bargain vs. a $55mm plus AAV extension. At $25.9 million for playing time only, it's a steal for a QB you want to keep. But it works at most positions - Nolan Smith at $13.75mm for one year, no long term commitment, is a no brainer as an example.

@HazletonEagle - I know you want a new QB. You should want a 1st, even in 2028, to have the 5th year option. Take that 2028 1st, combine with our 2027 1st, and you have ammo to move up in 2027 if we want to move on.

The 5th year option really elevates the value of 1st round picks well beyond the old Jimmy Johnson value chart.

Honestly, unless you’re on the hot seat, you should always want the higher future pick unless you’re on the clock and are guaranteeing you’re acquiring a player with the same grade or higher than the future pick. Ex: Howie trading a future 3 to get the high fourth round pick to draft Ringo.

100 DBs in the rookie camp and not a single clip by the Beats. Hopefully better tomorrow.

We should also remember that Howie held out for the best possible deal for Reddick. He couldn’t get the immediate conditional 3 that becomes a two the following draft so he took it two years out and got a top of the round 3. It wasn’t ideal to wait two years, but that was better than an immediate 4 that can become a 3. Patience is a virtue.

Someone refresh my memory: Don’t Howie turn some low round pick into a much higher pick by kicking the can each year on that pick? Something like turning a six into an eventual 3?

Having a 2nd 1st rounder is really a very important chip at this point as we are very likely going to need to put a package together to be able to move up in the 1st round to get either a 10 year RT or in the worst case scenario a QB if Hurts can't evolve and take a clear step forward. If somehow both Hurts and one of the project RTs work out then we'd be sitting pretty but if not we will need that draft capital.

30 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Beyond the usual "discount a round" per year heuristic, there's another aspect you have to consider with 1st round picks - the 5th year option. Depending on position, that's a hugely valuable asset that won't come with picks in later rounds. Really, other than ILB and maybe RB, the 5th year option is a discounted way to gain an extra year of control (that then gets wrapped into an extension). It's MASSIVE for a QB - even at $43.4mm for a QB that makes the pro bowl 2 or more times in his first 3 seasons, it's a bargain vs. a $55mm plus AAV extension. At $25.9 million for playing time only, it's a steal for a QB you want to keep. But it works at most positions - Nolan Smith at $13.75mm for one year, no long term commitment, is a no brainer as an example.

@HazletonEagle - I know you want a new QB. You should want a 1st, even in 2028, to have the 5th year option. Take that 2028 1st, combine with our 2027 1st, and you have ammo to move up in 2027 if we want to move on.

The 5th year option really elevates the value of 1st round picks well beyond the old Jimmy Johnson value chart.

Technically the 2027 2nd has the same value as the 2028 1st so still, Im fine with the 2nd.

Last thing on future draft pick value: if you trade a current 2 for a future 1, you’re buying a distressed asset. Maybe that second round builds value during that year or maybe he’s like a car driven off the lot and immediately loses value. That first round pick, though, in one year gains a ton of value by doing nothing but waiting, and that’s if you subscribe to the notion that a future pick is worth a full round less value.

33 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Beyond the usual "discount a round" per year heuristic, there's another aspect you have to consider with 1st round picks - the 5th year option. Depending on position, that's a hugely valuable asset that won't come with picks in later rounds. Really, other than ILB and maybe RB, the 5th year option is a discounted way to gain an extra year of control (that then gets wrapped into an extension). It's MASSIVE for a QB - even at $43.4mm for a QB that makes the pro bowl 2 or more times in his first 3 seasons, it's a bargain vs. a $55mm plus AAV extension. At $25.9 million for playing time only, it's a steal for a QB you want to keep. But it works at most positions - Nolan Smith at $13.75mm for one year, no long term commitment, is a no brainer as an example.

@HazletonEagle - I know you want a new QB. You should want a 1st, even in 2028, to have the 5th year option. Take that 2028 1st, combine with our 2027 1st, and you have ammo to move up in 2027 if we want to move on.

The 5th year option really elevates the value of 1st round picks well beyond the old Jimmy Johnson value chart.

Big reason why Baltimore traded up with us at #32 to take Lamar. They could have sat where they were and got him (or... give up less to move up a bit in the 2nd) but they wanted that 5th year option.

32 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Man, I forgot how monstrous Hollin Pierce is. Makes Ball look almost regular size.

Until you look at those other OL

Weird not seeing Stout after so long

Counting Rookie Camp the Eagles have almost as many of those players as the 49ers have now. (With similar expectations as to how many will be on the opening day 2026 roster).