6 minutes ago, toolg said:

Yeah. I think I'd rather keep a 25 year old Jalen Carter, than trade to get a 30 year old Myles Garrett.

Frankly the eagles need to start thinking about planning about life after smith and greenard. Hunt is likely here long term. But really not much after that. So I’m guessing over the next 2 years we are trying to find another pass rusher

Browns still don't have a QB

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That’s a pretty nice haul for the browns. Verse (assuming they eventually sign him long term after 2026) plus 1st, 2nd in 2028, 3rd in 2029. That is a nice amount of ammo and got a pass rusher who

may be one of the best in the league long term

I disagree. I guess it comes down to what you think of Verse. I see a very good player who will probably top out at 10-12 sacks. They also have to re-sign him or it will be really bad. The first will be late, and a 2nd in 2028 and 3rd in 2029 (both likely late as well) are meh. The Browns must REALLY like Verse because I am borderline shocked that's all it took to get MG.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Browns still don't have a QB

Those picks are likely going to be used to get one. I’m guessing they still stink this year so their top pick is likely a Qb or using their pick and others to get that Qb in the 2027 draft.

3 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

That is the trade the Browns finally pull the trigger on for MG? The Rams FN stole him. To get him for Verse and only one first is crazy. I thought for sure the "and more" would include a future first round pick, not a 2nd and 3rd. The Cowboys got more for Micah Parsons.

Of course the Cowboys got more for Parsons. When they traded him, he was 4 years younger than Garrett, and after 4 years in the league, Parsons had 10 more sacks than Garrett had.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hopefully "other details" means we get a useful player or mid round pick in 2027. At the very least a mind round pick swap in 2027 (3rd for 5th?). I need some good news after the Rams just got MG.

Just now, Lambo said:

Of course the Cowboys got more for Parsons. When they traded him, he was 4 years younger than Garrett, and after 4 years in the league, Parsons had 10 more sacks than Garrett had.

MG is the better player right now and his age is overblown since he just had a career year with 23 sacks. He is probably THE best defensive player in the entire league.

I don't think the Cowboys got more for Parsons.

Kenny Clark is meh. It was him and 2 first round picks. Verse and 1st is at least 2 first round picks. I'd rather have a 2nd and a 3rd than Kenny Clark.

Just now, T-1000 said:

I disagree. I guess it comes down to what you think of Verse. I see a very good player who will probably top out at 10-12 sacks. They also have to re-sign him or it will be really bad. The first will be late, and a 2nd in 2028 and 3rd in 2029 (both likely late as well) are meh. The Browns must REALLY like Verse because I am borderline shocked that's all it took to get MG.

I think verse at 25 isn’t a finished product. They were never going to get another Myles Garrett in the trade back. even with 1st rounders only teams trading for Garrett were contender type teams. So those 1sts are always going to be late first rounders. Whether it be eagles or rams.

I view it more as Garrett is 30 going on 31. The ideal time to deal him and maximize his value was 1-2 years ago. Cleveland missed that boat so were always getting less than that at this point. Imo if the eagles came calling likely getting 1st in 2027, 1st 2028 plus Nolan smith or hunt. Don’t see Carter being involved in a deal. If they did do Carter then I’m guessing the structure is similar to what the rams gave up. So it depends on if you like Carter or verse more long term. I think Carter has a higher ceiling but also his off the field is much more concerning in trusting him over verse. So if it’s smith or hunt, i don’t think smith or hunt are better than verse. Add on the eagles are likely more sustainable success as built better whereas rams might be all in 2026 then regress. if stafford goes down or retires after 2026 (possible if they win a Super Bowl or is injured) the 2028 and 2029 picks are good. There’s also the possibility (very unlikely imo) Stafford regresses at 38.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Frankly the eagles need to start thinking about planning about life after smith and greenard. Hunt is likely here long term. But really not much after that. So I’m guessing over the next 2 years we are trying to find another pass rusher

If Greenard isn't here long term then Nolan will be. Unless he just plays horribly.

We don’t know what the best offers out there were for Garrett, but he IMO doesn’t hold a tom of on-field value for Cleveland. They are better off losing to get their QB in 2027 and bulk for 2028 and on. I think this is a strong deal considering Garrett’s age. Verse on s a very good DE, but certainly not elite. He can be a good defense’s top edge rusher. That’s very valuable.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

If true, hell of a deal for the Browns.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don't think the Cowboys got more for Parsons.

Kenny Clark is meh. It was him and 2 first round picks. Verse and 1st is at least 2 first round picks. I'd rather have a 2nd and a 3rd than Kenny Clark.

Parsons was also 25 when the deal was made. Cleveland should’ve dealt Garrett 2 years ago and they’d have gotten a bigger haul. Granted i think value is relatively good considering every team dealing for Garrett is a contender. At least with the rams potential Stafford at 38 can’t stay healthy (has had back issues), unlikely but maybe regresses or retires after winning the Super Bowl then those 2028 and 2029 picks look better

Cleveland could’ve just traded him to rams for 2 firsts, 2nd in 2028 and 3rd in 2029. Frankly where rams are picking in 2027 likely not getting a player as good as verse. Maybe not in 2028 either 

14 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I would not have been happy with a Garrett trade.

The guy is 30 and will be 31 during the season(the end of the season but still). He's an incredible player, but I'm just not a fan of giving up hauls for guys post 30. What are the odds that Garrett's next 3 years are as good as his last 3?

The Eagles defense is already going to be so expensive. The money distribution has been askew in recent years with too much money going to the offense. That's about to flip and it needs to be more balanced.

Need to save their picks for a QB because if Hurts doesn't have a good year, they will need one starting next offseason and that will be priority 1, 2, 3, and 4.

I want to build a sustainable winner and I don't even think the Eagles are going to be that good anyway because the offense sucks and this does nothing to help the offense. Also the Rams are up against it with Stafford close to retirement. The Eagles are on a different timeline.

Agree, price was high, but good for Rams. Nice trade for Browns in terms of compensation.

Don't agree with your Eagles assessment. I think we are a SB contender this year. As for a sustainable winner, I no longer care about that as I age. Win now.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think verse at 25 isn’t a finished product. They were never going to get another Myles Garrett in the trade back. even with 1st rounders only teams trading for Garrett were contender type teams. So those 1sts are always going to be late first rounders. Whether it be eagles or rams.

I view it more as Garrett is 30 going on 31. The ideal time to deal him and maximize his value was 1-2 years ago. Cleveland missed that boat so were always getting less than that at this point. Imo if the eagles came calling likely getting 1st in 2027, 1st 2028 plus Nolan smith or hunt. Don’t see Carter being involved in a deal. If they did do Carter then I’m guessing the structure is similar to what the rams gave up. So it depends on if you like Carter or verse more long term. I think Carter has a higher ceiling but also his off the field is much more concerning in trusting him over verse. So if it’s smith or hunt, i don’t think smith or hunt are better than verse. Add on the eagles are likely more sustainable success as built better whereas rams might be all in 2026 then regress. if stafford goes down or retires after 2026 (possible if they win a Super Bowl or is injured) the 2028 and 2029 picks are good. There’s also the possibility (very unlikely imo) Stafford regresses at 38.

I agree that's why I said I think Verse can be a 10-12 sack guy. His career best is this past season with 7.5. I am accounting for him likely getting better moving forward. I feel like they should have gotten him and two first round picks but that's just me. I also think Garrett's age is so overblown since he just had a career high with 23 sacks.

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don't think the Cowboys got more for Parsons.

Kenny Clark is meh. It was him and 2 first round picks. Verse and 1st is at least 2 first round picks. I'd rather have a 2nd and a 3rd than Kenny Clark.

It's close in my opinion but I will take the bird in the hand all day. Kenny Clark is a good starting DT. A late 2nd and especially a late 3rd round pick is a total crapshoot.

Jared Verse was worth more than a 1st in trade value. He's one of the better young Edge guys in the NFL. How much more? Not sure. I think a 1st and a 2nd or 3rd maybe? He's really good.

So I think essentially the Browns got

1st

1st

2nd

2nd

3rd

24 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

So you'd rather have the guy with 7.5 sacks than the guy with 23 sacks? Cool.

In three years the Rams might be a much worse team for having made this trade but over that 2-3 year window they just got WAY better and this is bad for the Eagles and every team in the NFC.

Cool

18 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Frankly the eagles need to start thinking about planning about life after smith and greenard. Hunt is likely here long term. But really not much after that. So I’m guessing over the next 2 years we are trying to find another pass rusher

For sure. It could come as early as next years draft. LT and DE will be at the top of the list. We will see if Bell is the future

Couple thoughts....

1. The MG trade was long overdue and a good one for both teams. Cleveland got a haul for a player that was out of sync with their competitive window. One of the best teams in the NFL picked up the best defensive player in the NFL.

2. No one could really compete with the Rams once Jared Verse got offered up. Upgrading from pro-bowler to a better (and older) pro-bowler at the cost of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks is a STEEP price though. But the Rams...their scouting and drafting is outstanding. They keep trading away draft picks and they keep finding some of the best young players in the NFL anyway.

3. What's up with the Eagles and Jalen Carter? I can tell you it's not good. There's just way too much smoke with trading him....it just feels like he's gone after his rookie deal is up. If that's the case, they better get as much as they can as soon as they can.

17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Wow! Howie out of nowhere working on a blockbuster!!!

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

They just announced that trade to overshadow this huge Eagles news!

This is sort of an Isiah Rodgers move by Howie. Chandler was unlikely to play this year given when his injury occurred. He’ll join Large on IR.

Age keeps getting brought up but Garrett being a generational player is different. It's not like he's slowing down either. Obviously it'll happen but we don't really know when. He's 30 and set records

1 hour ago, garingovt2000 said:

Verse seemed to be the Edge who gave us the most trouble. I know Garrett hasn't played against us much but pretty sure the last time he did he was shut down by Johnson... Fred Johnson that is.

He played really well against us. Might have played with extra juice because of his hate for the Eagles and their fans. Who knows. Glad he's out of the conference.