6 hours ago, NYEagle said:

It doesn't mean come the season I won't enjoy ever game. Doesn't mean I won't be here discussing it. But the nature of failure with a ravenous need for success has been replaced with almost constant success (to some degree) which for me, has definitely tempered everything. I thought I would honestly die before I ever saw a Super Bowl victory. Now we have two.

Now the ****ing and moaning about "Is our QB good enough", "Is our Head Coach good enough", etc....really comes off whiney, petty and quite small minded.

I know what you are saying bud and I get it. I think maybe how lucky we were in 2024 to have not only won the SB but in such dominant fashion then brought us down the next year. To have been so good and then to have been so boring last year wasn’t fun. But I also get that I’m saying that as a spoiled fan who has seen us win the SB twice despite having only been a fan for roughly 15 years.

Maye ot used to throwing to someone this slow.

5 minutes ago, Chest Rockwell said:

Yup and it pisses the coaches and players off. Dude is a soccer fan, so there’s that.

Point is, they need to doing a bunch of drastic things with the route combos and pre-snap stuff to test him now. Last thing we need to see is the same old offense with smaller WR’s.

I think that's 2 different things. It seems pretty apparent the offense looking different is a Lurie/Howie mandate at this point. This might change as the season progresses but the offense they will work on installing is going to be different. If Hurts is throwing completions on over the middle intermediate throws from under center, that's the best outcome. If he's only throwing deep on go balls against 1 on 1 and otherwise throwing checkdowns and incompletions, it's not great but not the worst. The worst would be just a bunch of holding onto the ball and INTs because of bad footwork and timing. They are not going to look gangbusters against this defense in training camp. I just would like them to look effective at times and have some go to concepts that work.

31 minutes ago, SwingOnThis said:

Extension does not kick in until 2028 it would seem.

2026: Plays under year 4 of his rookie deal.

2027: Plays under the 5th year option of the rookie deal.

2028-2031: New 4 year deal.

Kind of. They are going to take his 5th year and fold it into the new extension and probably convert a big chunk of that base salary and turn it into a bonus next year

A shame it seems they hit pretty big on Ojomo in the 7th round but unfortunately won't be able to give him a second contract here. I guess it's a good problem to have.

11 minutes ago, Chest Rockwell said:

They’re in a touch spot. Because if it works then Mannion will be gone and Nick will be back with another OC and the revolving door continues. If it doesn’t work then it’s a lost season and no one is safe.

I think I would be happy with a season where Mannion is hired away next offseason. The Eagles hired a bunch of new offensive coaches, in part, to safeguard against Mannion leaving. It's not a bad problem to have.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

A shame it seems they hit pretty big on Ojomo in the 7th round but unfortunately won't be able to give him a second contract here. I guess it's a good problem to have.

Same problem they had with Milton. Consequences of drafting well and there are worse problems to have.

41 minutes ago, Chest Rockwell said:

Yup and it pisses the coaches and players off. Dude is a soccer fan, so there’s that.

Point is, they need to doing a bunch of drastic things with the route combos and pre-snap stuff to test him now. Last thing we need to see is the same old offense with smaller WR’s.

I agree. We'll see how it works out.

41 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Good point. Counter would be that he's done great in the transition to the new system though (doubt it but would be awesome)

There's got to be a learning curve... or there's no learning.

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think I would be happy with a season where Mannion is hired away next offseason. The Eagles hired a bunch of new offensive coaches, in part, to safeguard against Mannion leaving. It's not a bad problem to have.

Comp picks!!!

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Just in time for WIP to focus on Jalen Hurts stats in TC and not a fake will Carter hold out take.

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think I would be happy with a season where Mannion is hired away next offseason. The Eagles hired a bunch of new offensive coaches, in part, to safeguard against Mannion leaving. It's not a bad problem to have.

I am still running with the thought that if Mannion is successful, he is the next HC…and that can happen sooner rather than later.

I think Nick lost all control over coaching hires so there is a mandate in place. I dont think the Eagles would bring in all the talented offensive minds on a trial basis. I think they are part of a succession plan.

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

A shame it seems they hit pretty big on Ojomo in the 7th round but unfortunately won't be able to give him a second contract here. I guess it's a good problem to have.

Basically the same place they reached with Milton - good player, but can't pay everyone. Will be sad when Ojomo leaves, but you bet on the more talented guys in Davis and Carter.

44 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Maye ot used to throwing to someone this slow.

that 2028 first round pick is looking better and better

57 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

I'm more shocked than anything that the Most Accurate Reporter didn't break this one

He's at camp meeting with Lurie and Howie.

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Basically the same place they reached with Milton - good player, but can't pay everyone. Will be sad when Ojomo leaves, but you bet on the more talented guys in Davis and Carter.

Good call on JC.

17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Kind of. They are going to take his 5th year and fold it into the new extension and probably convert a big chunk of that base salary and turn it into a bonus next year

Yeah, I want to see the details on how they handle it. Smitty was announced as a 3 year extension and that was for years 6-8 of his career; kicked in after year 4 and the 5th year option that was already picked up. If Carter is the same, it's a 6 year, $183mm deal, or just over $30mm AAV.

Btw, people who say Carter only had one elite season are wrong. People make the mistake of comparing his rookie numbers to all NFL DTs, which is foolish. You have to compare him to rookies, especially at that position. DT more than any other position takes a long time to develop. Carter was 15th as a rookie in pressures. People say that isn't elite. For a rookie it is.

Only 3 rookie DTs since 2006 have finished top 15 in pressures. Aaron Donald, Ndamukong Suh, Jalen Carter. For a rookie to do that, it is elite.

He had one non elite season which was 2025, and no coincidence he had shoulder troubles.

Classic Slynch for you old timers in here. Quality evaluation as he always does with contracts

I was looking for something like 3 years, $105 million on the extension with like $80mm gteed - would have him under contract for 5 years at like $27mm AAV. Then Simmons signed, so now it's 6 years, $30.5mm AAV. Still works.

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Classic Slynch for you old timers in here. Quality evaluation as he always does with contracts

Yeah - I was thinking with $106mm gteed, that's really $75mm in incremental on top of the ~31mm he's due the next 2 years. So basically 2 years more at $38mm AAV of the extension. I'd bet that 2026-2029 are fully gteed, and there's a nominal gtee for 2030. The salaries are probably well over 40mm in 2030 and 2031, making it more of a 4 year, ~$110mm commitment.

I suspect this contract proposal has been there for some time but was contingent on the shoulders checking out in his physical today.

24 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

There's got to be a learning curve... or there's no learning.

I was trying to be optimistic that he'd take to the new system extremely well

If Carter is fully healthy and has the type of season he's capable of, this should save the Eagles a pretty penny. I know people would argue that waiting to see if he is immature this season to give him the money is worth the extra money it'll cost, but that extra money might cost you one of your core defensive players or the ability to go out and make a splash next offseason or the offseason after.

Carter getting 10-12 sacks this season, which he's perfectly capable of, and that dude would be getting 50m per next year. Getting him at 38 AAV now helps.

Based on straight line comp - will likely be more back end loaded. But to give an idea. $3.2mm of dead money from his old deal hits this year, FYI.