3 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

It’s funny because the passing game was terrible last yr.

Theres a 99.9% chance it’s better this year.

"Stinks” would be an upgrade to what they had last yr.

They could be the Thrash and Pinskton yrs level and be awful and still be better than last yr.

The AJ thing might have worked if this happened after 2022 but this narrative that somehow they were good last yr and now they will be bad makes no sense. I keep hearing it everywhere. 😆

Yes I’m sure they will miss having the 23rd best pass offense in the league this year. Even if they are 22nd in the league (which is awful) it would be an improvement.

I have him on ignore but that's super Fing creepy

25 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The defense being good is pretty much a given. What will drive the narrative on Hurts is whether we have a prolific passing game, or if we are a running team who just efficiently converts 3rd and manageable through the air when needed like in 2024.

Massive stats by a QB is just not how to judge this anymore. Have you seen Mahomes stats since Tyreek left? Absolutely have shrunk. Being the field general and making winning plays, including in the rushing department are mostly dismissed when talking about Hurts. I think all of these arguments all died on the vine, once Hurts outshined Mahomes in 2 different Superbowls in a span of 3 years. He went head to head with an all time great and passed with flying colors. Just turned 28 and still getting better IMO as a passing QB.

This offense will be great for him, as I stated as soon as they made the Mannion hire. And Diva out, with Devanta in (have been together for almost 10 years including Alabama), as the unequivocal Number 1 is great for team chemistry and growing Hurts's game.

12 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I have him on ignore but that's super Fing creepy

7 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Massive stats by a QB is just not how to judge this anymore. Have you seen Mahomes stats since Tyreek left. Absolutely have shrunk. Being the field general and making winning plays including in the rushing department are mostly dismissed when talking about Hurts. I think all these arguments all died on the vine when Hurts outshined Mahomes in 2 different Superbowls in a span of 3 years. He went head to head with an all time great and passed with flying colors. Just turned 28 and still getting better IMO as a passing QB.

This offense will be great for him, as I stated as soon as they made the Mannion hire. And Diva out, with Devanta in (have been together for almost 10 years including Alabama), as the unequivocal Number 1 is great for team chemistry and growing Hurts's game.

Mahomes best year was the year after they traded Hill…he’s still averaging around 4k yards a year. Ya stats aren’t the end all be all, but Hurts absolutely can not average around 200 YPG again unless Saquon and Bigsby absolutely go off and his playing complimentary football. He can’t be the inconsistent QB he’s been for the most part the past 3 years. With hurts it’s about consistency…vs raw stats. He needs to lead the O, not just have moments and drives.

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

It'll be interesting to see how the passing game is. I think that even if they struggle that a certain group of fans will not admit that we will miss him

We will miss the 2022-24 AJ. The 2025 AJ is addition by subtraction.

17 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

2024 edge rushers: Sweat, Smith, Hunt, BG, Huff

2026 edge rushers: Greenard (better than Sweat), Hunt (better than his rookie self), Smith (likely better than his 2nd year self assuming healthy), Ebiketie (on par with BG at a minimum), Epenesa (better than Huff)

We are better at edge in 2026. Better at DT (Carter, Davis and Ojomo all way better than 2024, offsets loss of Milt). Better at CB (Q and Coop better than rookie year, Riq and Slay probably a wash). Let's say roughly the same at ILB (better depth). Worse at S.

Speaking of BG, do we think he is back after Week 1? I can see it if Greenard is on PUP for first 4 games.

3 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Speaking of BG, do we think he is back after Week 1? I can see it if Greenard is on PUP for first 4 games.

I thought he was a lock to be back but started to feel differently recently. Graham said if he was to come back he wanted to be back full time, suggesting he wanted to be here for camp to get him ready and didn't want to just jump in like he did last year. I think he might be retired for good.

I think we're headed back to the AR glory days, with a ball control passing games (10-15 yard completions, screens, draws, etc.) but with a much better and more utilized running game.

The key wasn't so much huge stats but consistently being able to drive the ball downfield even with mediocre skill people.

Hurts has had a high completion rate and low Int rate operating out of fairly simple offenses that don't create a lot of separation, especially for secondary targets (when his primary target was taken away).

He should have a lot more easy throws in this scheme, but even the WR screens are more creative than just lining up wide and hoping the other WR can make a block and the ball gets there before anyone else on the defense reacts.

3 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Speaking of BG, do we think he is back after Week 1? I can see it if Greenard is on PUP for first 4 games.

I certainly hope not. We can survive the first few weeks without Greenard if need be. I would hate to see someone lose a roster spot to carry Graham for the whole season.

Graham can come back if needed for a playoff push if/when other players are injured creating the roster spot for him.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I thought he was a lock to be back but started to feel differently recently. Graham said if he was to come back he wanted to be back full time, suggesting he wanted to be here for camp to get him ready and didn't want to just jump in like he did last year. I think he might be retired for good.

I feel pretty good with DE1 through 5, and Epenesa kind of fills the heavy role... BG is the panic button behind glass that we hope isn't needed.

11 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Mahomes best year was the year after they traded Hill…he’s still averaging around 4k yards a year. Ya stats aren’t the end all be all, but Hurts absolutely can not average around 200 YPG again unless Saquon and Bigsby absolutely go off and his playing complimentary football. He can’t be the inconsistent QB he’s been for the most part the past 3 years. With hurts it’s about consistency…vs raw stats. He needs to lead the O, not just have moments and drives.

The frustration for me with hurts is that in 2 super bowls he was incredible. It bothers me that he doesn’t play to that level or near it regularly. He’s capable but most of the time he just plays not to lose games. Hoping he flips the script this year. Never been a big fan but I don’t hate him either. Just meh

5 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Mahomes best year was the year after they traded Hill…he’s still averaging around 4k yards a year. Ya stats aren’t the end all be all, but Hurts absolutely can not average around 200 YPG again unless Saquon and Bigsby absolutely go off and his playing complimentary football.

You can always skew the stats. Eagles are more of a running team (Chiefs have had a lot of Jags at RB, while we have Barkley & Swift recently), so of course Hurts will have less passing yards, but the difference is not as much as you think. In last 3 years where Hurts has supposedly stunk, he has less INTs, better QB rating and still average of 22 Passing TDs compared to Mahomes average of 25 TDs. Add to that, Mahomes has a brilliant generational offensive genius running the offense, who does Hurts have: 7 straight different coordinators and zero stability. And let's just throw away all the positive running/TD stats attributed to Hurts. Nah, they don't count to his overall value. Lol

15 minutes ago, Eagles1960 said:

We will miss the 2022-24 AJ. The 2025 AJ is addition by subtraction.

Some WRs don't even get 1k yards. He may have been a distraction and gave up on some plays but he still impacted the defenses and helped Smith just by being on the field

20 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Mahomes best year was the year after they traded Hill…he’s still averaging around 4k yards a year. Ya stats aren’t the end all be all, but Hurts absolutely can not average around 200 YPG again unless Saquon and Bigsby absolutely go off and his playing complimentary football. He can’t be the inconsistent QB he’s been for the most part the past 3 years. With hurts it’s about consistency…vs raw stats. He needs to lead the O, not just have moments and drives.

He just needs to win baby! Stat nerds will have a field day with this guy til eternity. On the whole, they have won with Hurts. Who is out there, that will be better? Team would lose royally without him. We have seen the glimpses of what happens with Minshew, Mariota and Tanner Brady when he's not there. Lot of whiners in here on this whole debate. Let's daydream again and bring in Carson Strong. Let's remember how people clamored to trade him for DeShaun Watson and Russel Wilson that one Summer. 👌😄

14 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Some WRs don't even get 1k yards. He may have been a distraction and gave up on some plays but he still impacted the defenses and helped Smith just by being on the field

Made some incredible catches. And was Jalen's go-to on big plays. We will miss him.

18 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

You can always skew the stats. Eagles are more of a running team (Chiefs have had a lot of Jags at RB, while we have Barkley & Swift recently), so of course Hurts will have less passing yards, but the difference is not as much as you think. In last 3 years where Hurts has supposedly stunk, he has less INTs, better QB rating and still average of 22 Passing TDs compared to Mahomes average of 25 TDs. Add to that, Mahomes has a brilliant generational offensive genius running the offense, who does Hurts have: 6 straight different coordinators and zero stability. And let's just throw away all the positive running/TD stats attributed to Hurts. Nah, they don't count to his overall value. Lol

Great job at skewing stats! You know it’s possible to support him and believe he can get back to his 2022 and back half of 24 self and still criticize him.

17 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

He just needs to win baby! Stat nerds will have a field day with this guy til eternity. On the whole, they have won with Hurts. Who is out there, that will be better? Team would lose royally without him. We have seen the glimpses of what happens with Minshew, Mariota and Tanner Brady when he's not there. Lot of whiners in here on this whole debate. Let's daydream again and bring in Carson Strong. Let's remember how people clamored to trade him for DeShaun Watson and Russel Wilson that one Summer. 👌😄

Ok…so you’re comparing the play of back ups, has beens and never beens? Once again, if we get even average Hurts consistently, the team is a lot better off. 2024 is the perfect dichotomy to explain this…the Jags game was the turning point of the season. He was BAD up until that point, a lot of people thought it was going to be a repeat of the season prior. After that game, he turned it up, played consistently good football commensurate with his pay and went on to lead the team to a SB. Making you forget how abysmal he was for half the season.

The mental gymnastics your performing here are quite impressive.

2 hours ago, Joe Ball said:

Good to know, I am definitely trying them now. There is a small chain of restaurants called Texadelphia started by a Philadelphia native in Austin, Texas, in 1981. There are only a few left, but is still one in DAL, I would eat there every couple weeks when I had to drive in to work. The founder Joel Stanley sold the business in 2014 and sadly passed away from pancreatic cancer shortly after. https://texadelphia.com/

I used to eat at Texadelphia pretty regularly. Only place to get a half way decent Cheesesteak in Austin. The ole 56 from Jersey Mikes isn't a bad go to in a pinch but nothing legit Cheesesteak.

28 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Some WRs don't even get 1k yards. He may have been a distraction and gave up on some plays but he still impacted the defenses and helped Smith just by being on the field

You know Smith played his best football when AJ wasn’t on the field? It’s a smaller sample size…I know, but him and Hurts will both benefit a lot from AJ not being around in some aspects. Ya losing an All Pro and arguably top 5 WR in the league when he’s playing well is going to hurt. But don’t forget how ridiculously good Smith is.

2 minutes ago, Vileborg said:

I used to eat at Texadelphia pretty regularly. Only place to get a half way decent Cheesesteak in Austin. The ole 56 from Jersey Mikes isn't a bad go to in a pinch but nothing legit Cheesesteak.

That is my go to order when I DoorDash from Jersey Mike's, which is rare. Since I nearly cut the tip of my finger off last year slicing ribeye I don't make my own at home anymore.

2 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Great job at skewing stats! You know it’s possible to support him and believe he can get back to his 2022 and back half of 24 self and still criticize him.

Maybe not by you. But the constant harping of his flaws can comes across as ignorant and not looking at the big picture. Of course he has warts. He also has many strengths.There is no perfect QB out there. Not even Mahomes. He has actually faded recently in his greatness. This league has literally, maybe 20 starting QBs and starves for anything decent. Malik Willis gets paid $23M a year for crying out loud. I just take a holistic approach on this matter and just look at the final results of wins and losses. Yes it could be uneven. Again, not as an excuse, but it's hard to start out every season with a brand new offensive coordinator. Takes time to gel. I think this year, will be the final year of doubting Hurts, if and when he flourishes with a brand new offense with no AJ Brown. Looking forward to it.

Just now, Wentz_Era said:

You know Smith played his best football when AJ wasn’t on the field? It’s a smaller sample size…I know, but him and Hurts will both benefit a lot from AJ not being around in some aspects. Ya losing an All Pro and arguably top 5 WR in the league when he’s playing well is going to hurt. But don’t forget how ridiculously good Smith is.

I have no idea what will happen. I just know he helped when he was on the field. There's years of tape of that. Can Smith make 50/50 catches and stay healthy for the foreseeable future? We'll see

He made that incredible catch while doing a sort of flip/summersault but the first thing I was thinking of was please don't be injured

Definitely don't think the Eagles are better at DT this year. At least not now. Could prove to be if Carter takes his game to the next level and Ojomo as well, but Carter was great in 2024, and Milton Williams really came on strong and was just another body that allowed them to rotate. The DTs totally dominated that SB. Milton Williams was a monster.

I don't think the defense will be as good as 2024 but I think it'll be close.

We can go round and round on the defense vs. 2024, or Hurts and the new offense, or whatever...

The 2025 season was spoiled by the struggles of the offensive line primarily. If Jurgens, Lane and Dickerson (or someone else) can stay healthy and not suck, it solves A LOT of issues.