23 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

I have no problem with a change on the line. I really liked what I saw from both Kendall and Lampkin. My only opinion would be to make a single change at this point with Kendall at LG. Keep the problem solving to one variable at a time.

Agree

3 requests going forward with this offense because the defense should be fine especially when Greenard comes back.

1) Integrate Brown/Moore in this offense. Particularly in the slot. Lemon should be brought along slowly. Did him a disservice throwing him to the wolves this quickly. And after repeated hammy issues.

2) More Tank, less Shipley. Oy!! How many times are we gonna ask for this wrinkle?

3) Sign Ertz. Goedert looks like prime Goedert still. Yes. He's underpaid and underrated. Will give them options with versatile looks, gives Goedert some snaps off, and becomes a major insurance policy if/when he goes down.

12 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

It's very possible the Eagles have 4 new starting OL next year. And 3 seems likely at this point. Hopefully at least 2 are on the roster now.

we're good with Mailata and we know Bell is gonna take over for Lane next year. I am concerned about the interior. Im still not sold on Steen and obviously with Cam and Landons injury issues we may have to jump on that early next year

55 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt but I do think he didn’t want to run anything but his OL blocking scheme.

It’s an overrated OL

Mailata is good but not great

Dickerson is bad now

Jurgens is average

Steen is average

Lane is still good but he has dropped off from his peak

Wouldn't say over-rated. Still good. Just need to fix a couple of things. Fortunately, Howie prepared well (after last year) so now we have some depth. That video of LD is something.

I will add a 4th request. Howie needs another safety in here. Epps left the game with a shoulder injury. One safety short there. MC is nice to back up the Makuba role. Epps should be a 3rd/4th safety. It's clear as day. Need a starter type. Maybe by the trade deadline... and Elliott keeps his job for another week.

2 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

I will add a 4th request. Howie needs another safety in here. Epps left the game with a shoulder injury. One safety short there. MC is nice to back up the Makuba role. Epps should be a 3rd/4th safety. It's clear as day. Need a starter type.

I know I'm beating a dead horse but thats why I was so pissed during the draft when we passed on Thieneman AND McNeil Warren

If we were in week four, and this was still going on with the interior starting offensive line, I’d be with people on benching people. Last year they weren’t good cause they weren’t healthy. It was pretty obvious that neither Jurgens or Dickerson were remotely close to healthy. This year they haven’t played since January last season in an actual game. On top of that learning an entirely new blocking scheme and offensive scheme. then you sent them out there a week one with no preseason. The bears had a better offensive line at the end of the year than they did at the beginning of the year when they were implementing. Even thuney didn’t look like he did in KC early in the season for the Bears. Heck people questioned the trade. As the season went on, he got better. I think people need to resolve some patience and time to see what they are.

Can I also say it’s absurd to me that people are using the preseason and training camp to justify that Kendall and Lampkin are just gonna automatically be good. They went against backups for the most part in the preseason (and it isn’t the same as a game in practices). And guys who are likely not even in the league anymore in part of those preseason games. If you think you’re gonna just throw them out there and they’re not gonna have growing pains cause they haven’t played a lot then I don’t know what you think. Because they’re likely going to have problems with them too because they haven’t played a lot of snaps at the NFL level and there’s a learning curve. you’re gonna have growing pains with them too. That’s the likely reality.

I can’t believe I’m the one that has to tell people to be patient. It’s week one with guys learning an entirely new blocking scheme and scheme in general while not playing in a real game besides some controlled practices in 9 months. Give it some time.

38 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

How did that work out for the Raiders.

I wouldn't make that bet. He's had bad OL years previously. I think it was more to do with the change in scheme and probably having to shoulder some of the blame for the run game last season.

Good point, but Nick doesn't bring much is the bottom line. If I have to choose between possibly losing a very bright OC or Nick and go through the same thing next year at some point they need to let him go. All hypothetical.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If we were in week four, and this was still going on with the interior starting offensive line, I’d be with people on benching people. Last year they weren’t good cause they weren’t healthy. It was pretty obvious that neither Jurgens or Dickerson were remotely close to healthy. This year they haven’t played since January last year in an actual game. On top of that learning an entirely new blocking scheme and offensive scheme. then you sent them out there a week one with no preseason. The bears had a better offensive line at the end of the year than they did at the beginning of the year when they were implementing. Even thuney didn’t look great early in the season for the Bears. Heck people questioned the trade. As the season went on, he got better. I think people need to resolve some patience and time to see what they are.

Can I also say it’s absurd to me that people are using the preseason to justify that Kendall and Lampkin are just gonna be good. They went against backups for the most part. And guys who are likely not even in the league anymore. If you think you’re gonna just throw them out there and they’re not gonna have growing pains cause they haven’t played a lot then I don’t know what you think. Because they’re likely going to have problems with them too because they haven’t played a lot of snaps at the NFL level. So you’re gonna have growing pains with them too. That’s the likely reality.

I can’t believe I’m the one that has to tell people to be patient. It’s week one with guys learning an entirely new blocking scheme and scheme in general while not playing in a real game besides some controlled practices in 9 months. Give it some time.

FTR, you're only having to tell a couple in here.

10 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

3 requests going forward with this offense because the defense should be fine especially when Greenard comes back.

1) Integrate Brown/Moore in this offense. Particularly in the slot. Lemon should be brought along slowly. Did him a disservice throwing him to the wolves this quickly. And after repeated hammy issues.

2) More Tank, less Shipley. Oy!! How many times are we gonna ask for this wrinkle?

3) Sign Ertz. Goedert looks like prime Goedert still. Yes. He's underpaid and underrated. Will give them options with versatile looks, gives Goedert some snaps off, and becomes a major insurance policy if/when he goes down.

Just for the sake of argument, I'm going to disagree on all counts.

1.) Lemon got live reps in a real game. Those are invaluable, both for him and for Mannion. If he's healthy and the coaches have plans for him, he needs to play.

2.) I agree with this in theory but Shipley did good work in blitz pickup and he is a much better receiver than Tank. Two out of three? Well...

3.) The stretch plays we ran in this game did little and the culprit on most of them was the TE block. When it worked, it went to Mundt's side. Ertz, well, a blocker he isn't.

2 minutes ago, Miami said:

Wouldn't say over-rated. Still good. Just need to fix a couple of things. Fortunately, Howie prepared well (after last year) so now we have some depth. That video of LD is something.

My view is, if you’re really bad somewhere then as a whole you default to bad. I can’t see the inside left improving without shifting help to that side which limits your flexibility. They’ll be stubborn and it will bite them, or they’ll address it and move on.

Dickerson won’t magically find athleticism now after a relatively quiet offseason. If it’s gone, you’d have to think it’s gone forever.

23 minutes ago, mattwill said:

The Philadelphia Union have experienced the same thing this season. They lost their first six games of the season, had the worst record in MLS for the first half of the season, but in their last ten games are 8 wins 2 ties and no losses. And their last three games have been shutouts by a combined score of 12-0. They have improved that worst in the league record into one that has them in the Playoffs.

My team are well enough, but that figures. Things just don't magically translate and its all good - the NFL showed this week across a number of teams

1 minute ago, krzyroone07 said:

My view is, if you’re really bad somewhere then as a whole you default to bad. I can’t see the inside left improving without shifting help to that side which limits your flexibility. They’ll be stubborn and it will bite them, or they’ll address it and move on.

Dickerson won’t magically find athleticism now after a relatively quiet offseason. If it’s gone, you’d have to think it’s gone forever.

Agreed, which is why Kendall will likely get a shot at some point. Then they can take a look at Jurgens' play. Unfortunately, as others have said, it often takes an 'injury' to swap a guy out but maybe they'll do it anyway.

On the Shipley comments...

Shipley was on the field for the long scramble by Hurts on third-and-long in the third quarter. After which, they went into up tempo without any substitutions - keeping the Commanders from being able to substitute. That's why Shipley was on the field. Why they handed him the ball twice, not sure.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If we were in week four, and this was still going on with the interior starting offensive line, I’d be with people on benching people. Last year they weren’t good cause they weren’t healthy. It was pretty obvious that neither Jurgens or Dickerson were remotely close to healthy. This year they haven’t played since January last year in an actual game. On top of that learning an entirely new blocking scheme and offensive scheme. then you sent them out there a week one with no preseason. The bears had a better offensive line at the end of the year than they did at the beginning of the year when they were implementing. Even thuney didn’t look great early in the season for the Bears. Heck people questioned the trade. As the season went on, he got better. I think people need to resolve some patience and time to see what they are.

Can I also say it’s absurd to me that people are using the preseason to justify that Kendall and Lampkin are just gonna be good. They went against backups for the most part. And guys who are likely not even in the league anymore. If you think you’re gonna just throw them out there and they’re not gonna have growing pains cause they haven’t played a lot then I don’t know what you think. Because they’re likely going to have problems with them too because they haven’t played a lot of snaps at the NFL level. So you’re gonna have growing pains with them too. That’s the likely reality.

I can’t believe I’m the one that has to tell people to be patient. It’s week one with guys learning an entirely new blocking scheme and scheme in general while not playing in a real game besides some controlled practices in 9 months. Give it some time.

After what happened last season with Dickerson and Jurgens, the front office and coaches had a responsibility to make sure that doesn't happen again. They saw Dickerson in camp and joint practices. They will now watch the film of his performance.

They got Bell in the 3rd round who they'll develop and could turn into a starting RT, or the new Fred Johnson reliable backup. Their backup plan for Dickerson is a 2nd year player drafted in the 5th round. And for Jurgens, a 5'11 2nd year player who was undrafted, waived and the Eagles signed him and then had him on IR all last season. They're also developing Micah Morris, a 6th round pick who you can't expect much from this season.

So fans wanting change, we're just fans. The team has the responsibility to adequately address positions. If they felt comfortable with Kendall and Lampkin in case Dickerson or Jurgens can't go, then that's on them to determine if they are going to be good enough. In preseason against backups is all we as fans have to go on. Reporters who follow the team noted in their view they showed enough that they could be starters. The coaches see them in detail in practice, drills, meeting room, film study...they know if a player is ready or not.

Last year everyone hated on Toth, he was terrible when they put him at OT. Then they put him in for Jurgens and he played well. Not enough to be a regular starter but having him was better than Jurgens with no back. They couldn't even run their 92% success rate play tush push because of the interior line. But putting in a backup who was healthy was a better choice.

Dickerson looks cooked. And it's not rust or lack of preseason. His body is done. If he can't get it together, then Nick needs to do the right thing and sit him. He was personally responsible for many blown plays...plays that others will criticize Hurts, Barkley, Lemon or others but they had no chance with bad blocking.

3 minutes ago, just relax said:

Just for the sake of argument, I'm going to disagree on all counts.

1.) Lemon got live reps in a real game. Those are invaluable, both for him and for Mannion. If he's healthy and the coaches have plans for him, he needs to play.

2.) I agree with this in theory but Shipley did good work in blitz pickup and he is a much better receiver than Tank. Two out of three? Well...

3.) The stretch plays we ran in this game did little and the culprit on most of them was the TE block. When it worked, it went to Mundt's side. Ertz, well, a blocker he isn't.

Appreciate those comments and see the value in all of them.

1) Lemon can play some early on here and grow his rep counts. He was out too long for me. But he's a rookie at the EOD. This WR group is deeper than past years. And Mannion likes to use 5 guys. At least in GB he did. Hurts has solid chemistry with Moore and Cooper. And even Brown towards the end of camp.

2) Tank is a fierce runner and brings that juice and physicality. For 5-10 snaps, I will put up with the weaknesses mentioned. Think he can wear down teams in 2nd half especially.

3) Understand Mundt is is here for his blocking role, but he is a non factor in the passing game and if Goedert gets hurt, we pretty much have nobody to fill in. Ertz can have a role here, I'm pretty sure.

is becton completely cooked? he’s only 27 & still a FA after getting cut by the chargers.

What are thoughts on how Epps and Mukuba played?

51 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

3 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

yes, and Hunt did an awesome job containing the opposite edge. It looked like a potential read option on the left side (Hunt's right) He jumped out there so quickly he cut off Daniels' running room, but was also perfectly in the passing lane to the guy in the flat that people say we forgot to cover. At the time Daniels had him as an option, he was covered. hunt forced him to progress to the shovel pass option which obviously was stopped by great plays from Carter and Ojomo.

Amazing! You really still don't know the difference between Read Option and RPO. We have only been talking about them since Chip Kelly got here. Mr Narcissist is caught in over his head in a discussion he can't comprehend. Can't wait to see how you'll respond with nowhere to hide.

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

He was personally responsible for many blown plays...plays that others will criticize Hurts, Barkley, Lemon or others but they had no chance with bad blocking.

Exactly. Mainly Hurts.

It’s tough because Dickerson isn’t that old, but he had significant knee issues in college, and we got a few really good years out of him before the issues last year. He moves like he’s 45.

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

What are thoughts on how Epps and Mukuba played?

Think they played better in the run game than passing game. Saw them chasing a few times. They will be the weak link in this defense, in the passing game especially. Hate to say it.

Just now, jojodancer said:

Think they played better in the run game than passing game. Saw them chasing a few times. They will be the weak link in this defense. Hate to say it.

I expected them to be the weakest position group on the defense, but the defense should be a top 5 defense. I think they have great corners so as long as the safeties aren't a liability out there should be good.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

After what happened last season with Dickerson and Jurgens, the front office and coaches had a responsibility to make sure that doesn't happen again. They saw Dickerson in camp and joint practices. They will now watch the film of his performance.

They got Bell in the 3rd round who they'll develop and could turn into a starting RT, or the new Fred Johnson reliable backup. Their backup plan for Dickerson is a 2nd year player drafted in the 5th round. And for Jurgens, a 5'11 2nd year player who was undrafted, waived and the Eagles signed him and then had him on IR all last season. They're also developing Micah Morris, a 6th round pick who you can't expect much from this season.

So fans wanting change, we're just fans. The team has the responsibility to adequately address positions. If they felt comfortable with Kendall and Lampkin in case Dickerson or Jurgens can't go, then that's on them to determine if they are going to be good enough. In preseason against backups is all we as fans have to go on. Reporters who follow the team noted in their view they showed enough that they could be starters. The coaches see them in detail in practice, drills, meeting room, film study...they know if a player is ready or not.

Last year everyone hated on Toth, he was terrible when they put him at OT. Then they put him in for Jurgens and he played well. Not enough to be a regular starter but having him was better than Jurgens with no back. They couldn't even run their 92% success rate play tush push because of the interior line. But putting in a backup who was healthy was a better choice.

Dickerson looks cooked. And it's not rust or lack of preseason. His body is done. If he can't get it together, then Nick needs to do the right thing and sit him. He was personally responsible for many blown plays...plays that others will criticize Hurts, Barkley, Lemon or others but they had no chance with bad blocking.

I don’t give a crap what happened last year. That was an entirely different offense and blocking scheme. It does not matter. They were hurt last year. We knew that. Their struggles today it may be health related or decline, but I don’t know yet because it is week one.

I don’t think you guys understand how hard it is to go from not playing a game since beginning of January last year. The team implementing an entirely new offense. The team getting rid of its offensive line coach. The team implementing a whole new blocking scheme for those guys. And then acting like there’s not gonna be growing pains. What reality do people live in? I made the point the bears had the similar issues that the Eagles did early. Very similar issues.

as to backups, neither one of those guys (Lampkin and Kendal) has high level of NFL snaps. Specifically in this offense or blocking scheme. So I’m guessing they’re gonna go out there and they’re not gonna be up to the standard either. We are just assuming they’re not gonna have growing pains? That’s laughable. Because if they were so good that when they benched guys for that commanders game at the end of last year, they should’ve looked better and they really didn’t for large portions of the game. But because they did well in the preseason and practicing against backup players and guys who no longer in the NFL that means they’re obviously gonna be good. And they’re just gonna hit the ground running in our offensive lines gonna look great. I hate to break it to some of you theirs is highly likely gonna be growing pains with them too and it’s gonna be clunky for a bit because it’s gonna take some time.

So I find it really far-fetched that everybody on here seems to think that these backups are not gonna have growing pains and have their own struggles. It’s going to take time. Whether it’s Dickerson or Jurgens or Lampkin or anybody, you wanna throw out there.

Let me also say Lane Johnson didn’t play like lane Johnson if yester years yesterday either. If you go back and watch that game, he wasn’t nearly as dominant. It’s likely because he’s learning a new scheme and it’s going to take time for him to get comfortable with it. That’s called growing pains. Now Dickerson and Jurgens might just be done physically. That might be the case. However, I’m not gonna make a definitive of all that because of last year and week one where they’re implementing an entire new offense and they haven’t played a real game since Fing January that they struggled mightily and didn’t look good. Especially when pretty much the entire ofrendife line including lane and steen didn’t exactly hit out of the park either

All you can do is go by the profile of these interior backups. They all seem athletic with good lateral mobility. And should be a good fit to play this scheme. They will have their growing pains. But LD is unplayable. He was unplayable by Superbowl 2024. Been a year and a half of bad play. And he just breaks down. Has had multiple surgeries since college. He would limp out of games even in his prime. You could see this coming. He's absolutely cooked.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Amazing! You really still don't know the difference between Read Option and RPO. We have only been talking about them since Chip Kelly got here. Mr Narcissist is caught in over his head in a discussion he can't comprehend. Can't wait to see how you'll respond with nowhere to hide.

lol...the play was clearly a TE shovel pass.. there were no other options...yep...I used the wrong terminology....you were wrong no matter how you want to deflect...I am able to take responsibility and own my actions and words and admit when I am wrong....so definitely not a narcissist ...but have it...