A lot of you in here owe Mr. Rivera an apology

12 hours ago, Eagles1960 said:

Howie has been trading draft picks like confetti. Two third round picks for Greenard, two fourth round picks (to Dallas of all teams) to move from 23 to 20, wasted pick on Dalton,, two picks for Tank (good trade IMO) etc. He needs to hoard picks like they are gold now.

Yes he has recklessly traded too many picks missed on many others and has spent future cap dollars like a drunken sailor. It's now the morning after and the big hangover is here along with the empty wallet. Time to dump salary and acquire as many mid round picks as possible to get the cheap players we'll need to fill out our cap restricted roster

So there's been a discussion on Jalens slower to release mechanics and it got me thinking.

Haven't all 3 of our last main QBs had this as a flaw in some sense. Wentz had the long wind up and didn't Nick take a 2nd to get the ball out?

I guess what I am wondering then is did Nick and Carson just read the field a bit better than Jalen is currently.

8 hours ago, hukdonfoniks said:

Feels like Hurtt is being groomed to take the job once Fangio goes.

Howie's done some to refresh the roster, but letting it go this long to find a Lane replacement is inexcusable. Bell might be it but Lane had been flirting with retirement for at least two years now, if not longer. We're lucky if Bell is the guy but there should have been someone on the roster already.

The O Line depth has been neglected for a while, we just trusted it to bringing back guys like Brett Toth, Sua Opeta and Fred Johnson for years.

27 minutes ago, weko said:

That's why we have to trade players with value that have no cap hits. We won't have the money to re sign them and we need mid round picks to get many cheap players to fill out the cap restricted roster. Nolan Smith we might have gotten a 4 at the draft. Now probably a 5. Steen for a 5. Ojomo could get us a 4, Goedert a 5 or 6 Woolen a 5. I don't know Baun"s cap ramifications. We might get a 3 certainly a 4 for him if the prorated money that accelerates isn't too high. We just won't have money to keep these guys. A year or two ago I saw a chart detailing we had spent way more future money than any other team. Something like 190 million, twice the amount of the 2nd highest team. It's tear it down and rebuild time and you do that by shedding salary and acquiring as many picks as possible. Howie needs to fire sale this roster before the deadline. But the problem is getting Jeff to understand it's over. He and Howie are super stubborn and may not be able to mentally and emotionally come to this conclusion until we go 4-13 or 5-12. By then it's too late to deal many of these guys. I waited 50 years to get a SB win and we were blessed with an amazing 2nd one. I feel tremendous gratitude to finally experience the joy of two titles. It's now time to rebuild. We have to keep Hurts another year. I see him as a great fit for the Steelers when it's time to trade him. Or the Jets

Well, with Howies ZERO DOWNSIDE! ™ cap strategy, it's Steen and Ojomo. That's the list.

10 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

The good news is that unblocked pressure isn't necessarily a talent problem... unless you are talking about coaching talent.

5 minutes ago, paco said:

Well, with Howies ZERO DOWNSIDE! ™ cap strategy, it's Steen and Ojomo. That's the list.

I could be wrong but i think you have to change it to trade and post-June 1 if we are talking deadline moves

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I could be wrong but i think you have to change it to trade and post-June 1 if we are talking deadline moves

That's fair. I was just looking at it from a dead money perspective so I didn't bother to flip it. If you look at it from a 2026 cap hit perspective it brings Goedert and Woolen into play (no one is trading anything for a kicker and I don't think you could even get a 7th for Brown at this point)

Also... I left the second half of the list off on purpose.

Yes, you could get something for Hunt, Bell, etc. But if the goal is to get younger and shed salary, then that means you got to go back and fill that roster hole with a draft pick that may or may not hit, so you risk going backwards.

38 minutes ago, tuffstuff07 said:

So there's been a discussion on Jalens slower to release mechanics and it got me thinking.

Haven't all 3 of our last main QBs had this as a flaw in some sense. Wentz had the long wind up and didn't Nick take a 2nd to get the ball out?

I guess what I am wondering then is did Nick and Carson just read the field a bit better than Jalen is currently.

Jalen doesn't necessarily have a throwing motion issue; he doesn't read the field well (perhaps because he's relatively short and has muddled vision without cleared passing lanes) or throw with anticipation (perhaps due to his extreme turnover aversion) and his footwork also costs him time when he does activate (more so, when he's not in shotgun). Parentheticals added for the glass half-full folks.

25 minutes ago, paco said:

Well, with Howies ZERO DOWNSIDE! ™ cap strategy, it's Steen and Ojomo. That's the list.

Some of us have been pointing out that Lane retiring before 2030 could potentially bite us quite hard in the ass capwise for a few years now huh Paco? If Jurgens and Dickerson hang them up to we're going to break records for dead cap next year, we'd officially be in cap hell.

21 minutes ago, paco said:

That's fair. I was just looking at it from a dead money perspective so I didn't bother to flip it. If you look at it from a 2026 cap hit perspective it brings Goedert and Woolen into play (no one is trading anything for a kicker and I don't think you could even get a 7th for Brown at this point)

Psst. You should change it to Trade (post-June 1) 😉

There's guys on there with guaranteed bonuses that if you cut add to dead cap but if traded, do not. Greenard, for example, would be $50M total in dead cap and $31M dead in 2026, but if he's traded it's just $4M dead in 2026 and $18M dead in 2027

Yea, definitely a juice box

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

But this is just nonsense mental gymnastics to blame the HC and GM for the QB's inability to play under center. Is the tweeter really claiming that Mannion and Hurts are going "lets play our incredible new offense, show this league how we're going to tear it a new one, super best friends yay" and then Howie and Nick are like "hey, you'll play this stuttering dog turd offense that isn't beating anyone any more and like it, Jeffrey likes us better than you so suck it"

At this point I'm more inclined to believe it's Sirianni, Mannion and Howie want the offense to function one way, then watching Jalen bail out of a pocket to the right before throwing it out of bounds for the kajillionth time in 4 years

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Psst. You should change it to Trade (post-June 1) 😉

There's guys on there with guaranteed bonuses that if you cut add to dead cap but if traded, do not. Greenard, for example, would be $50M total in dead cap and $31M dead in 2026, but if he's traded it's just $4M dead in 2026 and $18M dead in 2027

29 minutes ago, paco said:

That's fair. I was just looking at it from a dead money perspective so I didn't bother to flip it. If you look at it from a 2026 cap hit perspective it brings Goedert and Woolen into play (no one is trading anything for a kicker and I don't think you could even get a 7th for Brown at this point)

19 minutes ago, paco said:

Also... I left the second half of the list off on purpose.

Yes, you could get something for Hunt, Bell, etc. But if the goal is to get younger and shed salary, then that means you got to go back and fill that roster hole with a draft pick that may or may not hit, so you risk going backwards.

Shut it, nerd.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea, definitely a juice box

You don't turn your drinks with straws upside down when you drink them?

He's right though - with the amount of beer commercials there are promoting the NFL, hard to justify fining him for this.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea, definitely a juice box

They must be blind. EVERYONE knows the proper way to drink a juice box is to pull the little folds on the side up so you can hold them by it. Then you aren't squeezing the box when you pick it up, squirting the juice everywhere (MOM THREAD!)

1 minute ago, paco said:

They must be blind. EVERYONE knows the proper way to drink a juice box is to pull the little folds on the side up so you can hold them by it. Then you aren't squeezing the box when you pick it up, squirting the juice everywhere (MOM THREAD!)

3 minutes ago, paco said:

Shut it, nerd.

1 hour ago, DaBirds said:

Negative people are always going to look right because in sports failure happens more than success.

Been saying this almost every year for as long as I've been on these boards. It was never more true than after 2022 when the usual suspects came out with their ITYS as if they were right all along because we lost the final game by the slimmest of margins.

1 hour ago, mikemack8 said:

A lot of you in here owe Mr. Rivera an apology

BG didn't say that though lol

9 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

But this is just nonsense mental gymnastics to blame the HC and GM for the QB's inability to play under center. Is the tweeter really claiming that Mannion and Hurts are going "lets play our incredible new offense, show this league how we're going to tear it a new one, super best friends yay" and then Howie and Nick are like "hey, you'll play this stuttering dog turd offense that isn't beating anyone any more and like it, Jeffrey likes us better than you so suck it"

At this point I'm more inclined to believe it's Sirianni, Mannion and Howie want the offense to function one way, then watching Jalen bail out of a pocket to the right before throwing it out of bounds for the kajillionth time in 4 years

You have to have a pocket to bail out of one.

A lot of the problem with Hurts is simply quick pressure, some due to teams attacking the zone run and ignoring play action, some due to missed blocks, and a lot due to OL not reading the pressure and adjusting.

This really isn't surprising given the combination of shifting to a completely different blocking scheme while integrating 2 new OL into the lineup and moving Jurgens to LG.

And of course Hurts is slow to anticipate, because the routes are different and the receivers are different, and he didn't get a lot of game reps in preseason.

Check back in a month or two, growing pains were to be expected.

The knock on Hurts was he lacked the arm to play NFL QB, so in a system preidcated on running the ball behind the best run blocking line in the NFL, he became one of the best deep ball throwers in the NFL.

Now he has to make a complete adjustment, but given his track record of adjusting to a new OC every season of his college and NFL career, I'm not betting against him.

1 hour ago, paco said:

Well, with Howies ZERO DOWNSIDE! ™ cap strategy, it's Steen and Ojomo. That's the list.

Ojomo might actually bring back a good return, he looks fantastic.

7 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

We're finding out just how spoiled we were with Stout for all those years.