16 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

DK Metcalf is going to run the 100M on TV tomorrow trying to qualify for the olympic trials. Needs 10.05 to qualify. Sprinters are saying they are going to demolish him. Will be interesting to compare NFL 4.33 speed to real sprinters. 

May 9 starting at 4:30 p.m. ET on NBC

I think Metcalf could run a great 100m with the proper training, which he doesn't have.  

Schwartz had borderline olympic speed with a 10.07...ran an unofficial pro day 4.27...which probably is pretty comparable to Metcalf's real 4.33 at the combine.

As Bolt taught us, the bigger guys don't start as fast, but turning over that stride allows them to slaughter you from meters 40-100.  

So with the right training, someone like Metcalf at 6'5" should actually be better than most over 100m.  But he's probably a little bulky and not properly trained to keep it going over that distance.

If that became the sole focus of Metcalf's training, I bet he could be pretty good at it.

19 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah.  Haven’t heard that at all the last few years.  How can a draft be deemed a success this early when you have all of those picks and we walk away with one starter for 2021?  One starter and the rest is projects and tweeners.  Howie loves his projects and tweeners.  You’re a blind homer if you think he had a good draft.  

I don't remember the last time we had a draft that wasn't referred to as the best in years immediately upon completion of draft weekend.  

That's just how it goes.  By the law of averages though, if Smith becomes a good starter, that does make this the best draft we've had in years by default.  So maybe it'll be true this time.

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

I think wilson fields and lance all would have gone well before hurts 

theres a reason he was a day three pick on most teams boards

Difference in depth of the draft between last year and this year. And a difference of information.  We’ll see which QB has the better record in the pros.  You know one of three of Wilson, Lance and Fields will flop and it could be two or three of them. Wilson was pedestrian in 2019 and probably a Day 3 or UDFA on most people’s boards after that year. Lance really only played a little more than a year’s worth of games.  You hear the same concerns about Fields as Hurts which is why he slid. And Jones?  Both Hurts and Tua kept him on the bench.  

 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

lol look at the size of him compared to the res. he stands right out. And seemed ot be right with them most of the way. 

59 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah.  Haven’t heard that at all the last few years.  How can a draft be deemed a success this early when you have all of those picks and we walk away with one starter for 2021?  One starter and the rest is projects and tweeners.  Howie loves his projects and tweeners.  You’re a blind homer if you think he had a good draft.  

You can think he had a good draft without being a homer. Devonta Smith is all but a slam dunk and the best player we’ve picked in years. He alone makes this draft better than the previous years.

I thought last year was awful in every way possible. I haven’t liked a single draft they’ve had in a while except for this one.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

McNabb was a different generation, so not really fair.

The other issue...Hurts is a 2nd round pick, considered a reach by most, and has never been a pro style passer.  Lots of 2nd round picks never get the keys to the starting position just handed to them like this.

The conclusion jumping is the concept that Hurts might be a starting quality passer, not the concern of throwing in the towel early.

Most prospects like him never even get this opportunity.

What college QB is a pro style passer? Stanford produced them, ND State (except Lance needed another season of college), who else runs a pro style offense with LOS reads, pro routes, etc. Most college QBs these days run some mix of spread and RPO, whether it's Auburn or Oklahoma. Basically one or two reads and run.

QBs are getting drafted based on size, athleticism and arm strength, not their readiness to run a NFL offense. So intangibles are really important, b/c you're going to have to teach a lot of concepts from scratch, and you need a kid who is smart, has great instincts and an off the chart work ethic.

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

This has him at 10.36

Pretty impressive for an NFL player that hasn't been training for track like the others

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

McNabb was a different generation, so not really fair.

The other issue...Hurts is a 2nd round pick, considered a reach by most, and has never been a pro style passer.  Lots of 2nd round picks never get the keys to the starting position just handed to them like this.

The conclusion jumping is the concept that Hurts might be a starting quality passer, not the concern of throwing in the towel early.

Most prospects like him never even get this opportunity.

Drew Brees was a second round choice and considered a reach. To Brady was a sixth round choice.  Aaron Rodgers was the last player in the first round. Romo and Warner were UDFAs.   Russell Wilson, a third round choice.  Draft position means ish after the first contract is signed.  

The knock on Hurts was he trusts his feet too much and was a one look and go QB. We will see how he progresses this year.  If he shows he has what it takes, then the Eagles hit the lottery. If any of the QBs drafted this year do the same, then their teams hit the lottery.  

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

I believe if Hurts, with the same level college performance, had been in the 2021 draft, he would have been the second or third QB drafted.  Lawrence would have been first but I have doubts about Wilson or Lance being drafted before him.  I wasn’t a huge Hurts fan but I am not any more of a fan of Wilson, Lance, Shields or Mac Jones than him and liked him more than any of the second string group of QBs for 2021 too.  

Lance is better than Wentz coming out so have no idea where you're getting this stuff. 

Hurts was considered a 2nd round reach last year and you think he's a top 5 pick this year?

No way in hell. 

Wilson, all though he reminds me of McMahon, has an absolute cannon for a arm.  He would be picked way over Hurts as well.

 

 

 

29 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Difference in depth of the draft between last year and this year. And a difference of information.  We’ll see which QB has the better record in the pros.  You know one of three of Wilson, Lance and Fields will flop and it could be two or three of them. Wilson was pedestrian in 2019 and probably a Day 3 or UDFA on most people’s boards after that year. Lance really only played a little more than a year’s worth of games.  You hear the same concerns about Fields as Hurts which is why he slid. And Jones?  Both Hurts and Tua kept him on the bench.  

Notice i left jones out. I was not a fan but i think he landed in the perfect situation for his skillset

i like fields alot and doubt he busts. But he could. Lance has the highest bust potential to me then wilson.

so much of it comes down to the org and coaches

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

McNabb was a different generation, so not really fair.

The other issue...Hurts is a 2nd round pick, considered a reach by most, and has never been a pro style passer.  Lots of 2nd round picks never get the keys to the starting position just handed to them like this.

The conclusion jumping is the concept that Hurts might be a starting quality passer, not the concern of throwing in the towel early.

Most prospects like him never even get this opportunity.

Hurts biggest issue is getting rid of the ball.

He has one of the longer throwing averages in CFB history.  Some of that is due to running around, but not all of it, which will get you killed in the NFL.

1in 3 QBs on average make it

imo  , Wilson will have better career than Lawrence , I also think 1 of the 3 QBs drafted in rd 2 and 3 , will have a good NFL career

this coming draft will have a bunch of QBs in it , my top 5 , in no particular order 

JT Daniels 

Jaydon Daniels 

Matt Corral

Carson Strong

Desmond Ridder

a sleeper with a rocket arm , who will need to be red shirted , but has loads of potential  , Kaleb Eleby 

2 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Hurts is nothing but an NFL backup and they need to suck next year and get a high pick to fix that situation. Tua going out game one and Miami tanking for them works too.

I am not at all sold on Tua being a viable NFL QB.

He may just have to play to secure a high pick for us. 

29 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

This has him at 10.36

Pretty impressive for an NFL player that hasn't been training for track like the others

Not to be that guy, but those times would have been good in 1984.  That’s a slow heat.

Who am I kidding?  I’m always that guy 

9 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

1in 3 QBs on average make it

imo  , Wilson will have better career than Lawrence , I also think 1 of the 3 QBs drafted in rd 2 and 3 , will have a good NFL career

this coming draft will have a bunch of QBs in it , my top 5 , in no particular order 

JT Daniels 

Jaydon Daniels 

Matt Corral

Carson Strong

Desmond Ridder

a sleeper with a rocket arm , who will need to be red shirted , but has loads of potential  , Kaleb Eleby 

Shough

32 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

This has him at 10.36

Pretty impressive for an NFL player that hasn't been training for track like the others

Good for his size , but HS track kids ran faster , he didn’t even  run in the fast heat 

31 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Drew Brees was a second round choice and considered a reach. To Brady was a sixth round choice.  Aaron Rodgers was the last player in the first round. Romo and Warner were UDFAs.   Russell Wilson, a third round choice.  Draft position means ish after the first contract is signed.  

The knock on Hurts was he trusts his feet too much and was a one look and go QB. We will see how he progresses this year.  If he shows he has what it takes, then the Eagles hit the lottery. If any of the QBs drafted this year do the same, then their teams hit the lottery.  

Thanks for the useless "you just never know” argument in Hurts’ favor.  

7 hours ago, eagle45 said:

This time every year, I post that the biggest improvement or regression on every team comes from what you do or don't get from your 2nd year draft class.  The OL situation and Wentz overpowered that a bit last year, but the lack of help from the 2019 draft class played a big role:

1. Dillard.  Missed season/useless.

2. Sanders.  No better than rookie year.

3. JJAW.  Useless.

4. Miller.  Useless.

5. Thorson.  Useless/gone.

An entire draft class entered year 2 and did nothing to boost the team.  That's a huge reason they only won 4 games.

 

For 2021, the roster improvements (or lack thereof) will be from Hurts at the QB position and Reagor getting better.  The rest of the 2020 draft class really offers no possibility of making the team better. 

Agreed.   

1 minute ago, Original Sin said:

Good for his size , but HS track kids ran faster , he didn’t even  run in the fast heat 

How many NFL athletes his size are running like that though?

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

Shough

I just listed my favorite 5  , others love him , and Slovis , Howell  , the kid from liberty 

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Thanks for the useless "you just never know” argument in Hurts’ favor.  

That's the strongest argument in favor of Hurts right now.  

11 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Shough

From the limited amount I’ve seen of the 2022 QB class, Shough is the guy I’d want the Eagles to draft, if a QB is necessary.  Hopefully he’s still rated as the 4th or 5th QB on the board at draft time.

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's the strongest argument in favor of Hurts right now.  

If I ever come to agree with RTK on something like this, please hunt me down and slap me back to reality.

When RTK is pining for Hurts, while STILL taking any opportunity to knock Foles, a smart person would change their position. 😂

I've never seen such a celebration of ignorance and stupidity in the history of time than the RTK.

 

 

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