13 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

I think there are plenty of owners out there who have say on bigger football  decisions , as in first rd picks , top free agents , coaching hires etc

i don’t think Jeff has   started any trend here 

not about starting a trend.

its about falling into the ego trap...caught the fatal conceit.

2 hours ago, greend said:

I simply asked you a question. So he's a "crybaby and mentally weak" according to you and do you feel the same way about Rodgers? And where does your "opinion" that he lost the locker room come from? 

As far as I've heard Rodgers is trying to fix things with GB, not run away.  He is a little bit of a baby.  Mentally weak, no.  His play wasnt bothered by media criticism or the team drafting another QB.

Unless I'm dreaming, I've seen numerous reports that he wasnt a great teammate.  I dont know how accurate they are but there's been enough of them.  That's where I get my opinion from.  Obviously your opinion is different I take it?

19 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

Lions and Cowboys on Thanksgiving is a fix features as long as I can remember.  Was that a league decision from the earliest days or it just so happened?

Lions have had the game since the 30s... I know the cowboys started hosting games in the 60's and they pretty good so they got fans nationally. Then they solidified their place in 1978 with an official contract. It was as much a PR move for the Cowboys (Americas team) as it was for the NFL. 

🤮

2 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

As far as I've heard Rodgers is trying to fix things with GB, not run away.  He is a little bit of a baby.  Mentally weak, no.  His play wasnt bothered by media criticism or the team drafting another QB.

Unless I'm dreaming, I've seen numerous reports that he wasnt a great teammate.  I dont know how accurate they are but there's been enough of them.  That's where I get my opinion from.  Obviously your opinion is different I take it?

Yup

Of the (very little) All-22 I watched last season, a lot of Hurts's runs seemed to be on 4 verticals and other deeper route concepts where his receivers' backs were to him when he took off. Not blaming it entirely on playcalling and/or the receivers, but there didn't seem to be any windows for him to throw into.

Still inconceivable to me that Doug put his entire offense on the line for Press Taylor. What a disaster.

28 minutes ago, rambo said:

This argument applies to Hurts, too.  A rookie in one of the weirdest off seasons in NFL history.  He played with the same slop and performed at almost the same level as our 5 year franchise QB.  I personally think Wentz was shell shocked.  His mechanics had completely broken down to the point when he had time he'd miss simple throws.  His clock seemed off in part due to the poor OL play.  He got benched (rightfully so) for his piss poor play.  The second that happened he decided to move on.  He needs to look at himself, too, and not just blame the surrounding cast/staff.

I don't know if Hurts is the answer.  He's got the right attitude, is a hard worker, good locker room guy, but I'm not sure he has the ability to quickly diagnose a defense and move through progressions.  I think his arm will be adequate but it's not great.  He ran last year in part because of the piss poor OL.  Wentz probably would've too if he still had that ability.  I'm willing to give him a chance.  Dak came in with some accuracy (intermediate and long), mechanical, slow progression and pocket poise/awareness issues.  He worked hard to improve on those issues and became a franchise QB.  Not saying Hurts will follow that progression but I don't think he's finished product (I hope for the Eagles sake he's not).  I'm willing to give him more than 4 games in a weird rookie year with the same roster and coaches that made our once franchise QB look like garbage before I bury him.  Good news is if he does flop we have ammo to try and get a franchise QB.

First off your post is beautiful and spot on.

Some think Wentz has a right to ask for a trade because he was benched.  BS.  He played awful and deserved to be benched.  

5 minutes ago, greend said:

Yup

And that's fine.....nothing wrong with that 👍

8 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Of the (very little) All-22 I watched last season, a lot of Hurts's runs seemed to be on 4 verticals and other deeper route concepts where his receivers' backs were to him when he took off. Not blaming it entirely on playcalling and/or the receivers, but there didn't seem to be any windows for him to throw into.

Still inconceivable to me that Doug put his entire offense on the line for Press Taylor. What a disaster.

The offensive coaching was sooooo bad. Predictable + iso routes for bad WRs = trash.

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ok I'll leave your guys hero alone.

17 hours ago, justrelax said:

Well, he killed something. That was horrible. Another thought: why is he playing on this piece? He’s Jewish.

Music has a bit a transcendence. It would be a shame if people segregated music by religion. Just imagine being a classical musician and never touching Bach's St. Mathew Passion.

17 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Just bought 4 tix for the Carolina game.  

Ooooh you gonna take me? You really shouldn't have!

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You and the other trolls are the only one's bringing him up.  LET IT GO sport!  It's ok.  Mean bible thumping god lover is gone.  You don't have to make ish up about him anymore.  You're free.  

 

 

I do think it's ironic that you say he's our hero, when your avatar is a player from a long time ago who was not the most mature and emotional advanced QB either.  

Oh you got me there....

Like I said, I'll leave him alone if it bothers you that much.  I wish him the best in Indy.

13 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Ok I'll leave your guys hero alone.

 

It's kind of weird how a lot of these posters who are eager to trash just about anyone from pretty much the day they step on the field go to all ends of the universe to defend Wentz. They typically give the shortest leash imaginable, but Wentz gets miles of rope. In particular, these are posters who trash players for supposedly being "weak-minded," "stubborn," "oblivious," or "poor leaders." If we've ever had a player in recent memory whose actions and the reports surrounding him conforms to that kind of assessment, it's Wentz, yet these guys back him all the way. It's really ironic.

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

They're yours, $200/each.  

I don't think so, sailor. 

3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

It's kind of weird how a lot of these posters who are eager to trash just about anyone from pretty much the day they step on the field go to all ends of the universe to defend Wentz. They typically give the shortest leash imaginable, but Wentz gets miles of rope. In particular, these are posters who trash players for supposedly being "weak-minded," "stubborn," "oblivious," or "poor leaders." If we've ever had a player in recent memory whose actions and the reports surrounding him conforms to that kind of assessment, it's Wentz, yet these guys back him all the way. It's really ironic.

Nobody is backing him you moron. There's just no point in constantly bashing him now that he's gone. What purpose does it serve? 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

Nobody is backing him you moron. There's just no point in constantly bashing him now that he's gone. What purpose does it serve? 

 

Awww, looks like I triggered you with a dose of reality. Cute. You're delusional. Is "defending" a more acceptable word choice for you, a$shole?

1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Awww, looks like I triggered you with a dose of reality. Cute. You're delusional. Is "defending" a more acceptable word choice for you, a$shole?

Do you understand English and what words actually mean? Maybe grab a dictionary and figure it out. 

10 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

It's kind of weird how a lot of these posters who are eager to trash just about anyone from pretty much the day they step on the field go to all ends of the universe to defend Wentz. They typically give the shortest leash imaginable, but Wentz gets miles of rope. In particular, these are posters who trash players for supposedly being "weak-minded," "stubborn," "oblivious," or "poor leaders." If we've ever had a player in recent memory whose actions and the reports surrounding him conforms to that kind of assessment, it's Wentz, yet these guys back him all the way. It's really ironic.

Shhhh... dont say his name around here.

25 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

First off your post is beautiful and spot on.

Some think Wentz has a right to ask for a trade because he was benched.  BS.  He played awful and deserved to be benched.  

And that's fine.....nothing wrong with that 👍

Everyone has the right to "ask for a trade". And yes, he played awful, what does that have to do with him thinking his time was done in Philly? 

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Do you understand English and what words actually mean? Maybe grab a dictionary and figure it out. 

Yeah, that's kind of my job. Come back when you're ready to have an adult conversation, deekhead.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Howie could build another SB winning team and those are those who'd still say "he's not a football guy."

The Eagles record this year will have no impact, since they're committed to a rebuild (noises about being competitive are just that, watch what I do, not what I say).

What will matter is whether the past two drafts are developing into NFL players, because next year's draft is going to be a killer, 4 top 40 picks (even if the Indy pick is a 2nd, it'll likely be a high 2nd b/c if Wentz goes down, so does Indy) in a very deep draft. Look for Howie to try and garner more picks in next year's draft if possible.

Hurts could show solid development and the Eagles could still go 5-12 if the secondary implodes, look at Houston last year.

When people say Howie is "not a football guy" they mean he is too small and they would have trucked him in high school football.  

Just now, EaglesRocker97 said:

Yeah, that's kind of my job. Come back when you're ready to have an adult conversation, deekhead.

Sad. 

Didn't take long for the fanbois to prove my point. Saying that he's moved on and it's water under the bridge is one thing, but the diatribes and, to borrow a term, "purse-swinging," whenever anyone so much as suggests that their golden boy might not have been up to the task just confirms the emotional attachment to Wentz for some of these people. Wentz apologists are like weird stepford wives.

6 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Do you understand English and what words actually mean? Maybe grab a dictionary and figure it out. 

Maybe it's your Canadian accent. Also ham isn't bacon. 

1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Yeah, that's kind of my job. Come back when you're ready to have an adult conversation, deekhead.

Which came first the kettle or the pot? 

15 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I don't think so, sailor. 

Nobody is backing him you moron. There's just no point in constantly bashing him now that he's gone. What purpose does it serve? 

People rip mcnabb on Tate all the time and he's been gone what 15 years???

I have zero problems with posters ripping Wentz or any other eagle or former eagle, the notion that one shouldn't because  Wentz is gone supports the claim that some posters don't want to hold Wentz accountable for his faults.

Applies to Jacoby Stevens.

I only commented on Wentz because there was already a conversation going on in here about him. I didn't just bring it up out of nowhere, but some of you are really sensitive about the subject. It's ok. We know you're sad he's gone and you're just lashing out at others over the pain of rejection.