I just read through the last few hours of posts and got a pretty good chuckle 

— a vaccination shot is not the same as an immunization.  Of course you can get COVID after being vaccinated; the benefit of the vaccine is keeping you out of the hospital and the morgue if you contract the virus — get the damn vaccine 

— wasting time arguing with a troll whether Hurts was any good last year, and who is a liar.  Hurts wasn’t any good last year, Wentz doesn’t matter anymore, and yes — the fan base is overrating Hurts more than any other player on the team at this moment 

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I just read through the last few hours of posts and got a pretty good chuckle 

— a vaccination shot is not the same as an immunization.  Of course you can get COVID after being vaccinated; the benefit of the vaccine is keeping you out of the hospital and the morgue if you contract the virus — get the damn vaccine 

— wasting time arguing with a troll whether Hurts was any good last year, and who is a liar.  Hurts wasn’t any good last year, Wentz doesn’t matter anymore, and yes — the fan base is overrating Hurts more than any other player on the team at this moment 

Maybe I'm not paying attention but I haven't heard any body crown hurts yet 

I don't think he's overrated or underrated I think he just is 

 anybody making any conclusions either way after 4 games as a rookie on a pretty dysfunctional team are jumping the gun.

I'm willing to let it play out before I have an opinion either way about hurts.

All I’m gonna say is Carson Wentz is a puss. It’s whatever. 

51 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I just read through the last few hours of posts and got a pretty good chuckle 

— a vaccination shot is not the same as an immunization.  Of course you can get COVID after being vaccinated; the benefit of the vaccine is keeping you out of the hospital and the morgue if you contract the virus — get the damn vaccine 

— wasting time arguing with a troll whether Hurts was any good last year, and who is a liar.  Hurts wasn’t any good last year, Wentz doesn’t matter anymore, and yes — the fan base is overrating Hurts more than any other player on the team at this moment 

Started the post strong.  Them crashed and burned.  
 

Hurts did fine coming Into that god awful situation as a rookie at the end of the season when everyone else is 13 games in already. He did enough for the fo to hand him the keys did he not?    And I haven’t heard anyone overhype him unless you think saying he did good for a rookie in that situation is overhyping.  Which it isn’t. 

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Maybe I'm not paying attention but I haven't heard any body crown hurts yet 

I don't think he's overrated or underrated I think he just is 

 anybody making any conclusions either way after 4 games as a rookie on a pretty dysfunctional team are jumping the gun.

I'm willing to let it play out before I have an opinion either way about hurts.

Exactly the stats and actual play of most rookie QBs after 4 games aren't great.  That's well documented. People just tend to grab all the bright spots of highly touted picks and project that out. The guys they don't like they point out the negatives. You can't tell until the next season plays out.

6 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Exactly the stats and actual play of most rookie QBs after 4 games aren't great.  That's well documented. People just tend to grab all the bright spots of highly touted picks and project that out. The guys they don't like they point out the negatives. You can't tell until the next season plays out.

Yup lots of qbs have looked pretty bad their first 4 games heck some have looked pretty bad their first full season.

Hurts played like a rookie which he was I imagine he'll show some progress from last year to this year, the question is how much, where's his ceiling and is that ceiling high enough to compete for championships?

Heck I don't know but I'm willing to sit back and find out 

 

Just now, Utebird said:

Yup lots of qbs have looked pretty bad their first 4 games heck some have looked pretty bad their first full season.

Hurts played like a rookie which he was I imagine he'll show some progress from last year to this year, the question is how much, where's his ceiling and is that ceiling high enough to compete for championships?

Heck I don't know but I'm willing to sit back and find out 

 

Right and last year was a Covid offseason with no preseason games.  I imagine he got very little work.   In any case I totally agree. One of my pet peeves is when people assign ceiling and floor of guys based off of athletic traits.  Probably half of the good players in the league weren't considered 'high ceiling' guys at one point.

Just now, pgcd3 said:

Right and last year was a Covid offseason with no preseason games.  I imagine he got very little work.   In any case I totally agree. One of my pet peeves is when people assign ceiling and floor of guys based off of athletic traits.  Probably half of the good players in the league weren't considered 'high ceiling' guys at one point.

Yup, I imagine having a full off-season as the "starter" and having a little bit of continuity with the guys will help him, getting thrown into the dumpster fire last year wouldn't be an ideal situation for any qb.the offense can 

Hopefully this year with some of the weapons they have and if the O line can stay healthy Hurts will be able to at least be competitive.

I'm sure he'll still go through growing pains but if the o-line can stay healthy I think the offense can be competitive, it's the defense that worries me more, there isn't much there and there's only so much scheme can make up for.

I'd be shocked if the defense was even average this year.

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Why is talking about what actually happened hate ??  I hope he proves me wrong, but there is nothing about his play last year that gives me any hope that he will be much more than what he showed. 

It took the NFL more than a year to slow down Nick Foles running Chip Kelly's gimmicky college offense.  It took NFL defensive coordinators a 15 minute half time to figure out how to stop Jalen Hurts.

 

Fact is Nick Foles didn't show anything more in his rookie year than Hurts did.  But hey Foles is a god to you meanwhile Hurts has no chance to succeed. 

 

55 minutes ago, Swoop said:

So let me get this straight: You accused me of being the most "disingenuous" poster on this board and make the false claim that I apparently make things/numbers up all the time.

So I suggest you can either go back and look (though, as you just said, I apparently made them up) or you can go look it up yourself (so that there can be no doubt as I'd have no way of altering those numbers) and you're unwilling to do either. 

If I'm such a liar, why would you want me to present the numbers, again? Like I said, go look it up, then there can be no doubt.

 

You said you made a post the other day with numbers to back up your claims.  So please provide me that post so I can see and look into how accurate the numbers you posted really are.  It is because you are the most disingenuous poster that I want you to present that post.  

2 hours ago, austinfan said:

You comparing workout numbers at 300-310 to 346, try comparing Mailata's workout to Peters.

Now the guy who is a freak is Brooks, with great workout numbers at 335 lb. His numbers are almost as good as Lane at 303 lbs and match Dillard at 315.

But watching Mailata, he is an exceptional athlete, like Peters, he is exceptionally quick and has great body control for a man that size (reportedly close to 360).

The play where he peeled off his block to nail a DB blitzing on the other side of the OL was unworldly.

Now before he was benched for Peters, his footwork and recognition were inconsistent, but after the chance to watch for a few games, he came back much improved. That is what is most impressive about Mailata, his ability to absorb and incorporate what he's taught - and one reason for his slow start was the lack of off-season work on technique, and PT in exhibition games last year. With a full off-season this year, he should make another jump.

Sorry, but I think Dillard looked way better as an LT in 2019 than Mailata looked as a LT in 2020. Sure Mailata has some occasional great plays but he is inconsistent. I think that is why Driscoll played ahead of him at RT. Driscoll doesn’t make a lot of mistakes but his lower anchor isn’t as large or as strong as I would like and his punch isn’t as strong as I would like. I am real curious as to how he reacts to an offseason of NFL training guidance.  Don’t get me wrong.  I like Mailata but you are overvaluing him, IMHO.

Now Brooks, when he is on, he is one of the best OGs I have ever seen. 

11 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Fact is Nick Foles didn't show anything more in his rookie year than Hurts did.  But hey Foles is a god to you meanwhile Hurts has no chance to succeed. 

 

Just leave it be. From salary cap to players he believes we are the browns from 1999-2019. I’m not even sure why he tries, it’s just a constant negative bomb of a hobby to him. There is a difference between "realistic” and buzz kill. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Sixers look inspired.  Sorry for watching.  

Jimmy Butler does. On pace for 64 after 1 quarter. 

2 hours ago, greend said:

 

 

IMHO, Rusty Hardin is a much better attorney than Buzbee.  Interesting wrangling on confidentiality here.  Buzbee will respond in the press. 

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I’ll take the blame.  I have not been able to see a game for weeks.  
 

It does appear that they could be heading for a scuffle in this one though.   

Bricks galore 

5 hours ago, Original Sin said:

The problem is , the more people not vaccinated , the greater the chance of new strains 

over 70 % of population needs to be vaccinated to achieve herd mentality 

There shouldn't need to be an incentive beyond not catching this sh!t but I guess there is. Some states are doing something with the lottery/lottery tickets. The odds are better than normal but you have to be vaccinated to play or something like that. How can we make the dumbazzes who refuse to be vaccinated look like the dumbazzes that they are? I know there are some legitimate reasons that people refuse to be vaccinated, religious beliefs etc. I'm pretty sure those groups don't come anywhere near 30% of the population, probably closer to 3%.

13 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Sorry, but I think Dillard looked way better as an LT in 2019 than Mailata looked as a LT in 2020. Sure Mailata has some occasional great plays but he is inconsistent. I think that is why Driscoll played ahead of him at RT. Driscoll doesn’t make a lot of mistakes but his lower anchor isn’t as large or as strong as I would like and his punch isn’t as strong as I would like. I am real curious as to how he reacts to an offseason of NFL training guidance.  Don’t get me wrong.  I like Mailata but you are overvaluing him, IMHO.

Now Brooks, when he is on, he is one of the best OGs I have ever seen. 

DIllard should have looked better, he had three years in college to master the basics.

Practice can only take you so far, you need to get reps in games to develop, look how teams were throwing stunts at him the first half but backed off once he showed he could recognize them. And yes, HS matters to some extent, you learn the basics there, then build on them in college. Mailata spent his first year with the Eagles learning EVERYTHING, from the rules to the basics of footwork and how to use his hands and what he's not allowed to do (no, you can't grab people . .. ),  Yes, basketball players have converted to TE, but they're usually kids who played football in HS before basketball in college. I don't think I overrate him at all, he's still raw but he has the kind of raw power you rarely see (DIckerson has it too, plays where they use DL like bowling balls, shoving a 300 lb player with enough force to take out a linemate). It's not just that he has long arms, he has tremendous strength and can punch.

How raw was Mailata? Well, the Eagles opener was the first NFL regular-season game he had ever seen live.

"I was sitting on the sideline,” he says, smiling, "and I was like, ‘crap. I’m on the same team that’s playing!’ It was very surreal. Who would have ever thought that my first ever game I went to was after I made the league? It’s kind of funny it turned out that way. It’s not even just about learning the game. It’s about doing certain things. Just to have that new experience is a unique experience. Every week it’s like that.”

The reason Driscoll started ahead of Mailata, Stoutland didn't have a clue what he had in Mialata.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/jordan-mailata-now-his-1st-ever-football-game-counts

I was impressed by Driscoll at RT, because I don't think he physically can play that spot (size, short arms), yet he held his own. The falloff to Pryor was evident. Give him a year to add strength, then teach him both guard spots and center. He should be the "emergency" RT.

19 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I’ll take the blame.  I have not been able to see a game for weeks.  
 

It does appear that they could be heading for a scuffle in this one though.   

Tbh i think Miami is a bad matchup for the sixers. They have someone in bam who’s good and can make embiid work for his production. Butler is a guy who’ll go after the sixers with a grudge. They also have shooting with robinson, herro. Dragic, dedmon, iggy and ariza are good veteran role players. Also have Nunn who’s underrated. Plus i think spolestra is a better coach then doc. It’s really a team that matches up well with the sixers .  

41 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

You said you made a post the other day with numbers to back up your claims.  So please provide me that post so I can see and look into how accurate the numbers you posted really are.  It is because you are the most disingenuous poster that I want you to present that post.  

Like I said, was referencing Tebow, but here you go:

On 5/10/2021 at 11:17 PM, Swoop said:

I'll do first season in which they started games, so Tebow has one less game, regardless...

Tebow:

1-2/49%/651 yards/4 TDs/3 INT/77.8 Rating/8.04 Yards per Attempt 

 

Hurts: 

1-3/51%/919 yards/5 TDs/3 INT/77.2 Rating/6.91 Yards per Attempt

Now we know Tebow fell off of a cliff and I don't believe Hurts will, to that extent, but yeah, they're more similar than you seem to realize.

Forgot to add, though in the context of QB it doesn't matter:

Tebow had 199 rushing yards, 3 rushing TDs and 1 fumble.

Hurts had 272 rushing yards, also 3 rushing TDs, but 6 fumbles.

Now tell me what numbers I made up.

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Fact is Nick Foles didn't show anything more in his rookie year than Hurts did.  But hey Foles is a god to you

 

 

46 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Like I said, was referencing Tebow, but here you go:

Now tell me what numbers I made up.

 

You brought up the Tebwo numbers before some months ago.   If you ever actually watched Tebow play there is no real comparison.  He had one of the most God awful long winding slow developing throwing motions that lead to widely in accurate throws.  That's not Hurts. 

32 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

 

Journeyman backup QB currently riding 3rd on the Bears depth chart. 

54 minutes ago, austinfan said:

DIllard should have looked better, he had three years in college to master the basics.

Practice can only take you so far, you need to get reps in games to develop, look how teams were throwing stunts at him the first half but backed off once he showed he could recognize them. And yes, HS matters to some extent, you learn the basics there, then build on them in college. Mailata spent his first year with the Eagles learning EVERYTHING, from the rules to the basics of footwork and how to use his hands and what he's not allowed to do (no, you can't grab people . .. ),  Yes, basketball players have converted to TE, but they're usually kids who played football in HS before basketball in college. I don't think I overrate him at all, he's still raw but he has the kind of raw power you rarely see (DIckerson has it too, plays where they use DL like bowling balls, shoving a 300 lb player with enough force to take out a linemate). It's not just that he has long arms, he has tremendous strength and can punch.

How raw was Mailata? Well, the Eagles opener was the first NFL regular-season game he had ever seen live.

"I was sitting on the sideline,” he says, smiling, "and I was like, ‘crap. I’m on the same team that’s playing!’ It was very surreal. Who would have ever thought that my first ever game I went to was after I made the league? It’s kind of funny it turned out that way. It’s not even just about learning the game. It’s about doing certain things. Just to have that new experience is a unique experience. Every week it’s like that.”

The reason Driscoll started ahead of Mailata, Stoutland didn't have a clue what he had in Mialata.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/jordan-mailata-now-his-1st-ever-football-game-counts

I was impressed by Driscoll at RT, because I don't think he physically can play that spot (size, short arms), yet he held his own. The falloff to Pryor was evident. Give him a year to add strength, then teach him both guard spots and center. He should be the "emergency" RT.

Doesn't top-13 pick at tackle Rashawn Slater have the same arm length as Driscoll? Top-7 pick at tackle Penei Sewell isn't far off. Hell, Jason Peters wasn't far off. Not saying Driscoll is close to those guys as a prospect, but just using arm length to exclude him as a primary backup RT seems unnecessary, especially considering how well he held up there last year.

vaccinated people, BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, thats a sheep, or a goat, BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, 

13 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Doesn't top-13 pick at tackle Rashawn Slater have the same arm length as Driscoll? Top-7 pick at tackle Penei Sewell isn't far off. Hell, Jason Peters wasn't far off. Not saying Driscoll is close to those guys as a prospect, but just using arm length to exclude him as a primary backup RT seems unnecessary, especially considering how well he held up there last year.

AFan is a bit of a fanatic about arm size. Arm length isn’t Driscoll’s issue. It is strength in his anchor.  

2 hours ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

All I’m gonna say is Carson Wentz is a puss. It’s whatever. 

You dont really mean that, do you?  That's so mean.