18 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

So the C word cannot be brought up unless he is talked about in a positive light?  But if you bring him up and say something negative, it's an obsession?  However, it is completely ok to trash the QB that is STILL on the team.  Makes perfect sense.

Yup, because every Fing person in this blog has numerous times admitted that HE PLAYED BAD last year, does that sound positive? And if people don't agree with your point of view that's what discussion boards are for. Personally I think Carson would have bounced back, others do not. If you post childish nick names or make statements I don't agree with on any player I will give you my opinion back. Not sure why you think that's bizarre 

Just now, greend said:

Yup, because every Fing person in this blog has numerous times admitted that HE PLAYED BAD last year, does that sound positive? And if people don't agree with your point of view that's what discussion boards are for. Personally I think Carson would have bounced back, others do not. If you post childish nick names or make statements I don't agree with on any player I will give you my opinion back. Not sure why you think that's bizarre 

Yeah, well you smell!

News alert everyone! We have to agree on every subject or people get their feeling hurts and feel like they're being oppressed!

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

Yeah, well you smell!

That's why God gave me a nose

14 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

He's shown enough promise to be excited about his potential in year 2.  Pathetic people around are ruling out any possibility of him developing further into a good QB and are actively rooting against him while placing insanely high standards to him that they would not place on another young QB.  

I have not seen anyone rule out anything. I think people question whether he can be an above average passer.  

Most overrated Eagles player? Jason Kelce

Me from here

 

5 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Most overrated Eagles player? Jason Kelce

Me from here

 

You're going to need to pick up the pace mate with that kind of stupidity.  What are you, an Arse supporter?

17 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Most overrated Eagles player? Jason Kelce

Me from here

 

I’ve still never watched that movie in its entirety.  It just doesn’t hold my interest long enough.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I’ve still never watched that movie in its entirety.  It just doesn’t hold my interest long enough.

I watched the whole thing once. That was enough. 

7 minutes ago, greend said:

News alert everyone! We have to agree on every subject or people get their feeling hurts and feel like they're being oppressed!

agreend

2 hours ago, Han Solo said:

Just saw the updated roster.  #14 for Gainwell is a little weird, hopefully he can get a different one, unless he's considered a slot receiver.  We should let #25 be available, its been long enough.

I can sense people will **** about this topic all season.  I see this as refreshing new topic for the blog. 

23 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Most overrated Eagles player? Jason Kelce

Me from here

 

I just reported you.  

17 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Already been over this with you months ago.  You are actively rooting against him.  You're the one that threw out wild claims about Josh Allen in the second half of his first 4 starts being drastically better than Jalen Hurts in his first 4 starts but were never able to back it up with actual numbers for your argument.  You're nothing but a silly hater with no substance at all to the crap you fling against a wall.  

So it's all out there, let me address this one final time and I'll even include numbers, again. First and foremost the original person who brought up Josh Allen was you, as seen below:

On 3/11/2021 at 7:01 PM, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Well here you go then.  Josh Allen 52.8% as a rookie.  

 

Or we could do not even rookie Nick Foles in his 4 regular season games in 2017 before the playoffs: 56.4%.

That was in response to me bringing up the many flaws with Hurts that cause concern. Trying to prove a point, you foolishly brought up Nick Foles. We'll mostly ignore that, but you want to call me a "hater" and you're the biggest Nick Foles hater on the board and have been banned. Irony. 

Not a single time did I say that Josh Allen was drastically better in the second half of his game (as you accused me of in the first post). What I actually said was the following:

On 3/11/2021 at 8:28 PM, Swoop said:

Josh Allen is a better example, but even he got stronger in the second half of games as a rookie. He didn't have a staggering decline.

As for Foles, that's so asinine I don't even know if I should respond. We had how many games of a sample in Philly before 2017? He went on to do what in the playoffs? He went on to win us our first SB? Granted the team was drastically better, but Foles also won those games. Something Hurts did once.

Some comparison.

Pay attention to the bold. For the millionth time, here is the numbers break down:

Jalen Hurts (as a starter) from the first half to the second: 

Saw his completion dip from 59% to 46%

Passing yards 555 to 506

TDs 5 down to 1

INT 1 up to 3

QB RATING 105.3 to 55.2

Y/A from 8.4 to 6.2 

Rushing attempts increased in the second half, but his YPC went from 8.8 to 3.6

 

Now for Josh Allen:

52.94 to 52.69 for completion percentage

Passing yards from 969 to 1105

TDs from 4 to 6

INT from 5 to 7

QB rating 67.7 to 68.1

Y/A 6.3 to 6.6

Rushing attempts stayed roughly the same, but his YPC went from 6.5 to 7.6

Now, because I know you'll bring it up, the same concept is largely true for his first four games. I used pro-football-reference for the numbers. Feel free to fact check.

Let's review:

You initially brought up Josh Allen. You mentioned his completion percentage for his full year. When I brought his numbers up and proved you wrong, you shifted to the first four games. When I once again said the numbers support what I said during is first four games you ignored it, tried to change the argument and resorted to calling me a hater. 

Now you're accusing me of never actually posting information, trying to convince the board that I'm some liar (as if anyone would take you of all people seriously) and you're putting words in my mouth and telling me that I said Allen got drastically better, which as you can see above is false.

You have the numbers above. You have the reference so that you can check. You have the actual posts of what was said showing that you're unsurprisingly a liar and a troll.

Don't ever try to tell me what I said or accuse me of making things up again. Go back under your rock.

21 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

You're going to need to pick up the pace mate with that kind of stupidity.  What are you, an Arse supporter?

Good god no.  I've seen enough snippets of their fan TV and I am not that mad or prone to reactions like that.

32 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Most overrated Eagles player? Jason Kelce

Me from here

 

Looks like Hurts leaving the pocket.

55 minutes ago, greend said:

News alert everyone! We have to agree on every subject or people get their feeling hurts and feel like they're being oppressed!

And don't tip any draft picks early on draft night....

1 hour ago, Khani1 said:

So the C word cannot be brought up unless he is talked about in a positive light?  But if you bring him up and say something negative, it's an obsession?  However, it is completely ok to trash the QB that is STILL on the team.  Makes perfect sense.

Ours is not to reason why but ... I do see some good ol’ boy elements but also a few right wingers willing to upset the applecart. In my book before the injury and while Reich was here he was a stud, 1 or both changed his tenure here and we are about to find out if it was one or both. If he is so fragile probably better he is gone than catered to but that’s just my opinion

52 minutes ago, greend said:

Funny how those of us that don't think Hurts is going to be all that good can say so without cute little nick names

I think there is some generalization going on.  In college, Hurts was a one read and go QB, but he could read progressions albeit slow on pulling the trigger at times.  Last year, by the time he got into the lineup, the offense pass protection was pretty much run for your life.  So I don’t read a lot into his play as a pro. He was good enough to start two years at Alabama and a year at Oklahoma, two top ten college programs.  Frankly, I am not sure what we get in Hurts.  I know when he has the time, his placement is pretty good.  I have been begging for a QB that leads his receivers for decades (since Jaws). Hurts does that very well at times.  In a short, quick throw offense designed for YAC, he may thrive. (He has to speed up his delivery a bit - so did Foles, who was worse at slow delivery; and he needs to improve his middle of the field throws, where his height can be an issue).  He needs to protect the ball better.  In college, interceptions weren’t a problem at all but fumbling has been.  Of course, Carson had fumbling issues, too.  Hurts may flop.  But as an Eagles fan, I want him to succeed.  He has the skills, talent, mindset and work ethic to possibly pull it off and a better QB whisperer than Press Taylor. 

As an Eagles fan, I want all the players to succeed.  Some will, some won’t.  (Hell, if Pryor or Herbig come into camp in great shape and produce as dancing bears, I will take that, but I think Hurts succeeding is more probable.) With 9 draft choices this year and next, most every player is fighting for his job, if not this year then next. 

Hurts was better at OU than he was at Alabama. He developed. Can he keep developing? I obviously don't know but it's weird to me that some people who have been around a long time talk about a player as if they are everything they will be at 22.  But that said betting the negative on any player is almost always the safer bet

12 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Hurts was better at OU than he was at Alabama. He developed. Can he keep developing? I obviously don't know but it's weird to me that some people who have been around a long time talk about a player as if they are everything they will be at 22.  But that said betting the negative on any player is almost always the safer bet

Of course they aren’t fully developed.  Maybe he turns into Drew Brees.

But the fact remains, of draftable qbs over the years...and, more specifically, of drafted QBs who get slotted into NFL starting gigs...Hurts ranks very, very low as a pure passer.  
 

The only good thing any of us can say about his passing is that he’s young, he wants it, and anything can happen.  

Height...no.

Pocket presence...no.

Quick release...no.

Quick trigger/decision pre release...no.

Big arm...no.

Pre snap complexity/adjustments...no.

Post snap progressions...no.

Wants it...yes.

6 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Hurts was better at OU than he was at Alabama. He developed. Can he keep developing? I obviously don't know but it's weird to me that some people who have been around a long time talk about a player as if they are everything they will be at 22.  But that said betting the negative on any player is almost always the safer bet

Pro-Wentz = anti-Hurts, pro-Hurts = anti-Wentz or Wentz sucked lets see what Hurts can do, he kind of held his own his first 4 games

Do we know what time the rookies are doing drills today?

3 hours ago, Han Solo said:

Just saw the updated roster.  #14 for Gainwell is a little weird, hopefully he can get a different one, unless he's considered a slot receiver.  We should let #25 be available, its been long enough.

Heard he's a big Riley Cooper fan.

25 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Hurts was better at OU than he was at Alabama. He developed. Can he keep developing? I obviously don't know but it's weird to me that some people who have been around a long time talk about a player as if they are everything they will be at 22.  But that said betting the negative on any player is almost always the safer bet

he didnt develop

he moved into Lincoln Riley's offense in a conference with no defense.

21 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Height...no.

Pocket presence...no.

Quick release...no.

Quick trigger/decision pre release...no.

Big arm...no.

Pre snap complexity/adjustments...no.

Post snap progressions...no.

Wants it...yes.

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

There isn’t anything positive or negative to say about the guy that hasn’t been said already 10,000 times. And yes, it’s time to praise or trash the current QB who is actually on the team and actually a Philadelphia Eagle. 

Just wait till the season starts.  You'll be hearing the C word quite a bit along with daily updates.

1 hour ago, greend said:

Yup, because every Fing person in this blog has numerous times admitted that HE PLAYED BAD last year, does that sound positive? And if people don't agree with your point of view that's what discussion boards are for. Personally I think Carson would have bounced back, others do not. If you post childish nick names or make statements I don't agree with on any player I will give you my opinion back. Not sure why you think that's bizarre 

I do too at least I was hoping he would.   He cant play any worse.  That's why I'm more disappointed than upset.  I thought a new coaching staff and system would do wonders for him but he still didnt want to be here.