2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

You can tell by the video reactions that Howie is making all of the decisions.  

meh cant tell much by that (other than Donahoe lol)

I think Howie was going out of his way to try and cast a positive image this draft - came off as fake to me. you can tell when people enjoy working together. that wasnt it.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

You can tell by the video reactions that Howie is making all of the decisions.  

Except that decisions are generally made before the draft by how the draft board is set up.

Donahue was a glorified adviser, I doubt he had final say on the draft board.

Unlike previous years, when coaches lobbied for players over the judgement of the personnel guys, no one has suggested the Eagles diverted from their draft board.

From 2016-2020, which defensive players drafted by the Eagles, developed? I can count one (Mills). If you really want to be generous, you can throw TJ Edwards in there. Schwartz was bad for young players.

Fantastic news. Let's see if he can win from the pocket, because we already know he can run/produce out of structure.

5 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

meh cant tell much by that (other than Donahoe lol)

I think Howie was going out of his way to try and cast a positive image this draft - came off as fake to me. you can tell when people enjoy working together. that wasnt it.

I agree, looked fake and staged.  Look at us we're such a team!  

I guess what I mean is when you watch the Eagles War Room, it's clear that Howie gets his guys.  Yea, you see some coaches but it's Howie's show.  When they show other team War Rooms often times you see the HC very engaged and excited.  I just don't get that feeling from the Eagles.

Dallas is always Jerry Jones, that's just how it is.  Same goes for the Eagles and it's Howie. 

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

From 2016-2020, which defensive players drafted by the Eagles, developed? I can count one (Mills). If you really want to be generous, you can throw TJ Edwards in there. Schwartz was bad for young players.

Sweat has improved.  I don't see anything in Edwards at all.

So Mills and Sweat.  Even Mills hit his ceiling quick and we just had to deal with what he was...and I'm a Mills fan. 

Just now, bpac55 said:

Sweat has improved.  I don't see anything in Edwards at all.

So Mills and Sweat.  Even Mills hit his ceiling quick and we just had to deal with what he was...and I'm a Mills fan. 

You're right about Sweat. He's improved his get off for sure.

On 5/14/2021 at 5:04 PM, downundermike said:

Why is that ??

RBs have a short shelf life vs. other positions.  They have a significant drop off in production after age 27.  https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1683775-when-does-age-catch-up-to-nfl-players  They have a higher injury rate than other positions. https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/6/22/18658887/understanding-injuries-in-the-nfl-part-3 RB's often, even if they are productive as rookies, do not get lucrative second contracts.   The franchise tag value for RB was $11 million in 2021 for RB.  It was like 12 million in 2016.   It's also a position that is seen as not have a high draft value.  That means that rookie RBs may be very good and their value is unfairly impacted by the rookie wage scale versus other positions.  

19 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Schwartz got too much say as a condition of his hiring as a "co-HC," Doug got too much say after the SB.

It's a matter of balance, most HCs want to "choose the ingredients," that's a common complaint around the league by HCs.

On the other hand, you want input into the draft process from HCs and assistant coaches who'll have to coach the players chosen by the personnel department.

This is why the consensus model is optimal, but it requires a HC who can swallow his ego, took AR the failure of the dream team to concede he's not a personnel genius.

 

We know, AF. Every bad decision was a coach’s pick or a failure to develop. 

8 minutes ago, RLC said:

You're right about Sweat. He's improved his get off for sure.

He’s a much better player today. His hand usage and long arm got much better. 

In terms of vets, McLeod and Jenkins played their best football under Schwartz. Jernigan before he got hurt, too. Graham. Bradham. Robinson. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

He’s a much better player today. His hand usage and long arm got much better. 

He also got further away from his knee injury.

Just now, ManuManu said:

In terms of vets, McLeod and Jenkins played their best football under Schwartz. Jernigan before he got hurt, too. Graham. Bradham.

Schwartz was a veteran's coach, these guys are more scheme than development oriented, so they want veterans who can understand and implement their schemes, and often lack patience with young players and their inevitable mistakes. It's not necessarily the wrong approach, Belichick has made it work for two decades - it requires identifying veterans you can acquire cheaply and knowing when to replace them before they fall off the cliff.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

He also got further away from his knee injury.

How many years does he need to be away from it? It was his senior year of HS. 

I'm excited to see what Tracy Rocker can do with the D-Line.  Not so much the veterans but I want to see if he can mold the young guys.  Can he get anything else out of Barnett?  Can he help Sweat get to the next level?  What does he do with Milton Williams?  

Also routing hard for Brian Johnson to get the most out of Jalen Hurts and develop Jamie Newman.  The more success those guys have as a direct result of Johnson's coaching the better the chances he becomes a hot HC commodity which equals 2022 and 2023 3rd round picks. 

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Schwartz was a veteran's coach, these guys are more scheme than development oriented, so they want veterans who can understand and implement their schemes, and often lack patience with young players and their inevitable mistakes. It's not necessarily the wrong approach, Belichick has made it work for two decades - it requires identifying veterans you can acquire cheaply and knowing when to replace them before they fall off the cliff.

I think development is more on position coaches, and production is on the DC. The assistants coach them up, and the DC tries to put them in the best position to succeed.

18 minutes ago, RLC said:

Fantastic news. Let's see if he can win from the pocket, because we already know he can run/produce out of structure.

McLane said when the excitable Sirianni "first started installing the offense with his coaches, there wasn’t much in terms of the quarterback read run game or run-pass option plays." He's emphasized that quarterbacks in his system must abide by certain principles. "All great players in their own right, all like to do things differently, though, right? And our job as coaches is to adapt to the players we have, and run the plays they like, but we also have a system.”

In other words, learn to walk before you run, learn to execute the system, then once you've mastered it, we can tweak it to your strengths.

Reason that matters is it's much easier to plug in a new QB when the rest of the offense is on the same page and can execute the system at a high level, instead of putting in a new offense for every QB change.

3 hours ago, greend said:

What? He got a sack during the last seconds of a blow out that he got to play (in real life he didn't)

I'm curious why you say that because he certainly did. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

How many years does he need to be away from it? It was his senior year of HS. 

It was a near amputation injury and he still wears a brace so I think the mental part of the injury is still there.  Health wise he's fine but the fact that he still wears a brace and always will tells me that he still fears the injury.  

Just now, ManuManu said:

I think development is more on position coaches, and production is on the DC. The assistants coach them up, and the DC tries to put them in the best position to succeed.

There are two different aspects to development, one is a focus on fundamentals and technique, the other is on executing the scheme. I suspect a lot of NFL coaches disdain the former, feeling the personnel department should find them finished products so they don't have to waste their time on the more boring aspects of coaching. If they want to coach fundamentals, they'd have stayed in college coaching.

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

Absolutely sold on Sirianni already as a player developer. He gets it.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

It was a near amputation injury and he still wears a brace so I think the mental part of the injury is still there.  Health wise he's fine but the fact that he still wears a brace and always will tells me that he still fears the injury.  

By all accounts, his knee is bad enough that he can’t play a starter’s share of snaps. Hell, Avant said on his podcast that he can’t play more snaps because of it.

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm excited to see what Tracy Rocker can do with the D-Line.  Not so much the veterans but I want to see if he can mold the young guys.  Can he get anything else out of Barnett?  Can he help Sweat get to the next level?  What does he do with Milton Williams?  

Also routing hard for Brian Johnson to get the most out of Jalen Hurts and develop Jamie Newman.  The more success those guys have as a direct result of Johnson's coaching the better the chances he becomes a hot HC commodity which equals 2022 and 2023 3rd round picks. 

I think the college experience is invaluable when coaching young, raw players. Few players come out of college as finished products, and they often get lost in a NFL program, 90 players in camp, practicing with the 3rd team, getting into exhibition games in the 4th Q, getting waived and put on the PS where they play on the scout team. It takes a commitment by position coaches to work with these kids over the long haul. Position coaches who come out of the NFL may be less patient with teaching kids from smaller programs or who've bounced around and haven't mastered fundamentals.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

By all accounts, his knee is bad enough that he can’t play a starter’s share of snaps. Hell, Avant said on his podcast that he can’t play more snaps because of it.

Yea, I'm wondering how his contract negotiations will go.  He's one of the few young players I want them to hold on to.  Hopefully it al gets worked out and he gets a nice 3-4 year deal. 

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

It was a near amputation injury and he still wears a brace so I think the mental part of the injury is still there.  Health wise he's fine but the fact that he still wears a brace and always will tells me that he still fears the injury.  

i still carry an inhaler i havent needed in 15 years...that stuff leaves a mark on you that young.