2 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

This open up a Barnett trade for a CB?

Maybe Sweat. He's the one most affected by this.

Gotta think a corresponding move is coming. Either that or Jon Gannon is secretly Jim Schwartz.

Is Kerrigan a HOF player? i would lean towards yes. 95 sacks, would be cool to see him get 100 as an Eagle.

I always liked Ryan Kerrigan and hated the Eagles having to play against him.  With that being said, not sure I understand why he would sign here.  He's 33 and I would think be looking at being the final piece to a Championship level team.  Not sign with a bottom dwelling, rebuilding team.  I guess it definitely means that Patrick Johnson is a LB.  Genard Avery is a LB.  Joe Ostman is a LB.

Kerrigan also fits in as a 3-4 OLB which I still think they are looking to run some sort of hybrid.  Interesting signing.  Would rather see limited cap dollars go towards one of the "top" CB left on the market. 

Maybe in 10 years we will be able to sign Chase Young! 

Does the suck for Stingley bandwagon exist yet? 

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Barnett is also a situational rotation piece at this point.  I can see them trading him because of this signing.  They don't have long term answers at the position with Kerrigan or Barnett or both.  

I forgot we have Genard Avery still.  Can't waste that 4th rounder for nothing.  This is a good year to find out what Joe Ostman has also.

Just now, Khani1 said:

I forgot we have Genard Avery still.  Can't waste that 4th rounder for nothing.  This is a good year to find out what Joe Ostman has also.

He's moved to OLB though hasn't he? And I'd imagine if it doesn't work out for him at OLB then he's going to get cut.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

No

 

 

Speaking of HOF.  IS there a sport with a lower bar to get in the HOF than the Naismith Basketball HOF?  Good God man.  Chris Webber?  Chris Bosh?  Ben Wallace?  Ben Wallace never avg. double digits points......in ANY SEASON!  I get it. He was a rebounding machine for a nice 5-6 year stretch  But HOF?  Get the F out of here.  Chris Bosh?  HOF?  You have to be kidding me.  

He's probably got 2-3 years left in him (maybe more). If he were to average 5 sacks a year, you don't think ~110 sacks is HOF worthy? only about 30 players in NFL history have over 100.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Barnett is also a situational rotation piece at this point.  I can see them trading him because of this signing.  They don't have long term answers at the position with Kerrigan or Barnett or both.  

Here's where you have to question Howie and the moves he makes.  I had several posts way back in the winter about DE investment/value/production.  

The Eagles are paying Derek Barnett $10 million for 2021.  

The Jets gave Vinny Curry $1.075 million

I'm guessing the Eagles signed Kerrigan to a Chris Long kind of contract.  Let's assume he's getting less than $2 million.

2020:

Barnett- 49% of snaps 5.5 sacks/6 TFL/16 QB hits

Kerrigan- 38% of snaps 5.5 sacks/5 TFL/6 QB hits

Curry- 28% of snaps 3 sacks/3TFL/10 QB hits

 

IMO, the better value is using $3 million for a veteran rotation and then using the remaining $7 million on help needed elsewhere/rolling over/extending young players.

 

 

10 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Does the suck for Stingley bandwagon exist yet? 

Tank for Thibodeaux

15 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Does the Stink for Stingley bandwagon exist yet? 

FYP

Kerrigan is probably our best passrusher now, I think a bridge until we can get some new blood in the position group

10 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

I forgot we have Genard Avery still.  Can't waste that 4th rounder for nothing.  This is a good year to find out what Joe Ostman has also.

Both Ostman and Avery are now LBs.  Are they going to be joker type positions?   Out of the 9 LB on the Eagles roster, Davion Taylor, JaCoby Stevens, Genard Avery, Joe Ostman and Patrick Johnson are all "learning' how to play LB.  

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Kerrigan is probably our best passrusher now, I think a bridge until we can get some new blood in the position group

Kerrigan is probably our *4th best* pass rusher.

Just now, RLC said:

Kerrigan is probably our *4th best* pass rusher.

Behind who, exactly?

I think this means they want Williams to focus more on DT.

It also emphasizes that they want size at DE, 6'4 265 replacing Ostman 6'2 253, Avery 6'0 248, Johnson 6'2 240.

Gives you a sense of what they want from DE in future drafts, no more "speed balls." Full sized guys who can rush the passer.

Kerrigan is a nice player.  

The BUT here is that Sweat was already a pretty high end #3 pass rusher.  And I was very excited to see what Milton Williams could do with some snaps at both DE and DT.  This potentially bumps Jackson off the roster.

Sure, it's a proven player who provides more quality depth at a premium position...but in a tanking/rebuilding year, do we really need 33 year old depth getting in front of young draft picks?

11 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Here's where you have to question Howie and the moves he makes.  I had several posts way back in the winter about DE investment/value/production.  

The Eagles are paying Derek Barnett $10 million for 2021.  

The Jets gave Vinny Curry $1.075 million

I'm guessing the Eagles signed Kerrigan to a Chris Long kind of contract.  Let's assume he's getting less than $2 million.

2020:

Barnett- 49% of snaps 5.5 sacks/6 TFL/16 QB hits

Kerrigan- 38% of snaps 5.5 sacks/5 TFL/6 QB hits

Curry- 28% of snaps 3 sacks/3TFL/10 QB hits

IMO, the better value is using $3 million for a veteran rotation and then using the remaining $7 million on help needed elsewhere/rolling over/extending young players.

Tank for Thibodeaux

Curry was replaced by a younger, better player in Williams, he wasn't a pass rusher off the edge.

Kerrigan replaced Avery/Ostman as an edge rusher off the bench. He's a veteran patch, to be replaced in future drafts.

20 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

No

 

 

Speaking of HOF.  IS there a sport with a lower bar to get in the HOF than the Naismith Basketball HOF?  Good God man.  Chris Webber?  Chris Bosh?  Ben Wallace?  Ben Wallace never avg. double digits points......in ANY SEASON!  I get it. He was a rebounding machine for a nice 5-6 year stretch  But HOF?  Get the F out of here.  Chris Bosh?  HOF?  You have to be kidding me.  

No there isn’t. Was just having this conversation with a buddy. None of those guys should be in, Dennis Rodman either. Rudy T begging for Robert Horry .... puhhhhllease. 🙄

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Kerrigan is a nice player.  

The BUT here is that Sweat was already a pretty high end #3 pass rusher.  And I was very excited to see what Milton Williams could do with some snaps at both DE and DT.  This potentially bumps Jackson off the roster.

Sure, it's a proven player who provides more quality depth at a premium position...but in a tanking/rebuilding year, do we really need 33 year old depth getting in front of young draft picks?

Gannon probably told Howie that his secondary was going to suck, that the available FAs also suck, so can you get me a better pass rush? 😄

30 minutes ago, DireWolf said:

Sweat's a great player to have so long as the knee holds up. Howie doesn't deal guys like that. Only downside to Sweat is that knee.  If he can go, Sweat's good. 

My comment is contingent on the new regime viewing Barnett as a starter. Gotta think the Eagles will be rotating DEs less under Gannon, and Kerrigan's snaps would cut more into Sweat's than Barnett's.

I suppose there is a possibility that Gannon views Barnett as too small. Adam Caplan and Jason Avant have both said Barnett came into camp last year dramatically underweight.

12 minutes ago, RLC said:

Kerrigan is probably our *4th best* pass rusher.

Hopefully RTK doesn't anoint him our 2nd best pass rusher.

Just now, eagle45 said:

Kerrigan is a nice player.  

The BUT here is that Sweat was already a pretty high end #3 pass rusher.  And I was very excited to see what Milton Williams could do with some snaps at both DE and DT.  This potentially bumps Jackson off the roster.

Sure, it's a proven player who provides more quality depth at a premium position...but in a tanking/rebuilding year, do we really need 33 year old depth getting in front of young draft picks?

I would have loved this signing had the Eagles NOT brought back Barnett.  

Until the Eagles get a Chase Young, Nick/Joey Bosa or JJ Watt kind of DE, it makes the most sense for them to run a vet minimum DE rotation along with Sweat and BG.

Howie constantly boasts how he loves to build from the line.  Heck he's unapologetic about drafting more lineman.  However, if you invest $200 million in your D-line they better damn well dominate every game.  There shouldn't be stretches of where has Fletcher Cox been or times when you say well BG sure has cooled off.  That line better take over games.  They do not do this however.

 

Thibodeaux > Stingley

47 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

In Kerrigan, I guess Howie thinks they are getting Barwin/Long 3.0.

This generates a few questions:

1. Kerrigan is obviously a very good player, but how far did he fall off last year that the Eagles, in mid-May, were his best option?  

2.  Kerrigan's career-long fluidity between DE and 3-4 OLB only deepens the curiosity of what kind of defense the Eagles will be running.

3.  What kind of role did he accept and what does that mean for Barnett/Sweat?

Kerrigan is now the 4th player that plays OLB. Think there will definitely be some kind of new wrinkles whether 3-4 alignments or rushing from that SAM spot with the 4 man front. 

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Curry was replaced by a younger, better player in Williams, he wasn't a pass rusher off the edge.

Kerrigan replaced Avery/Ostman as an edge rusher off the bench. He's a veteran patch, to be replaced in future drafts.

Milton Williams is now looking like a DT.  Kerrigan replaced Curry, not Avery and Ostman come on.

Ostman and Avery combined played 14% of the defensive snaps.  I'm a huge Ostman fan but he never had a role that needed to be replaced.  29 snaps EVER.

 

18 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

No

 

 

Speaking of HOF.  IS there a sport with a lower bar to get in the HOF than the Naismith Basketball HOF?  Good God man.  Chris Webber?  Chris Bosh?  Ben Wallace?  Ben Wallace never avg. double digits points......in ANY SEASON!  I get it. He was a rebounding machine for a nice 5-6 year stretch  But HOF?  Get the F out of here.  Chris Bosh?  HOF?  You have to be kidding me.  

It's an anonymous ballot by sportswriters.