Doesn’t look so bad. 

Oh. Never mind. 

Just now, bpac55 said:

Top story on PE.com.  How an artist used 50 colors to create a mural for the schedule release video.  Why do I keep going back thinking they might have some extended coverage?  You'd have no idea rookie camp was going on if you were a casual fan going to the site.  Sad when the Browns have a website with 100% better content than the Eagles. 

I know it's a yearly gripe about the lack of information.  Who do we contact?  Is it even worth it? Does anyone else care?

You're in the city with the most press coverage for an NFL team.  I can't get to all the content.

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

One last thing.  If you were to compare the following athletes, who would you rather try at OLB? 

ATHLETE 1

Height	6' 4"	98
Weight	224 lbs	97
Arm Length	32½"	80
Hand Size	9⅛"	33
40 Yard Dash	4.4s	95
Vertical Jump	44"	99
Broad Jump	141"	99
Bench Press	17 reps	53

ATHLETE 2

Height	6' 0"	9
Weight	228 lbs	10
Arm Length	32⅛"	42
Hand Size	9⅝"	53
40 Yard Dash	4.49s	95
Vertical Jump	35"	64
Broad Jump	127"	93
3-Cone Drill	6.96s	76
20 Yard Shuttle	4.26s	63
Bench Press	21 reps	44

 

 

Probably athlete 2.  He is quick and I don’t have the 3 cone/SS on athlete 1. 228 on 6’ 4” is probably 240 so it suggests athlete 2 has more muscle weight but at 17 reps, it also suggests athlete 1 can add some muscle weight.  Is either topped out in training?  Any speed below 4.5 is pretty fast for a LB.  

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Top story on PE.com.  How an artist used 50 colors to create a mural for the schedule release video.  Why do I keep going back thinking they might have some extended coverage?  You'd have no idea rookie camp was going on if you were a casual fan going to the site.  Sad when the Browns have a website with 100% better content than the Eagles. 

I know it's a yearly gripe about the lack of information.  Who do we contact?  Is it even worth it? Does anyone else care?

Fran Duffy’s film breakdowns?

5 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

You're in the city with the most press coverage for an NFL team.  I can't get to all the content.

No kidding.

4 hours ago, austinfan said:

Most conversions from CB to S fail. And a lot of big CBs with average speed, who you'd think would be good safety candidates, aren't even given a shot.

Depends on the player, Ware was cut here at CB, bounced twice, and became a starter at SS. Poyer was a college CB who became a FS after the Eagles cut him.

Safeties are generally much smarter than CBs, who don't have as varied responsibilities. Safeties also have to be better tacklers, unless you're using a true FS who plays deep and doesn't provide as much help in run support (but these guys are rare in today's game)

Let's play this game out a little... 

 

How many CBs are there that moved to S and thrived?   I'd say quite a few... Point to Malcolm Jenkins, for exhibit A.  

Now, how many Ss are there that moved to CB and thrived?   I'd say that's a quite smaller sample size.

 

Rather than focusing on the number of failures there are in making the transition, let's acknowledge that the move from CB to S is normally dictated by the failure of that player to stick at S, and the move to S is often a last ditch effort to make something of that player.  So, there's already a bit of a predisposition towards failure in that move from the beginning.   And rather than focus on how many cannot move from CB to S, compare that to the number of players that they even try to move from S to CB.  That's a pretty small number.

 

So, which transition actually works more frequently?  CB to S or S to CB?   I'd put forward that the numbers are overwhelming in favor of CB to S, rather than the opposite.  So, let's actually argue based on facts than 'qualities' that you ascribe to the positions.  In cold hard facts, how many players have successfully transitioned from CB to S, and vice versa.   Whichever one happens more frequently is the answer to @Wentz_Era's position.  If the CB to S happens more frequently, then his assertion is confirmed.  If not, then his assertion is baseless.  

 

 

3 hours ago, Desertbirds said:

The Eagles have sunk to the point where we arguing about a long shot on a tryout. In the old days, when there was NFL talent on the team, we would have simply said "camp body" and moved on.

Howie is churning the bottom 2/3s of the roster now, because that's how much of the roster is what used to be the bottom 1/4.    But, this is Howie at his finest... trying to find the Crevon LeBlanc's of the world that we can overvalue and believe he belongs on the field more often than he does.  

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Doesn’t look so bad. 

Oh. Never mind. 

OL plus Cox, Graham and Slay on defense plus McLeod on PUP. Betting Flacco is included in both lists and he isn’t the starter but makes the most of any Eagles QB. Eagles have 8 players over 30.  Five are OL or DL.  Two in the secondary.  But we also have players over either average like Matt Leo that won’t make the team. 

Our punter who has never played a game will be 29 in November 

34 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

It's still weird both how recent and how long ago this was.

Just now, devpool said:

It's still weird both how recent and how long ago this was.

The other night I went through my DVR and saw LII on my "continue watching” list. It was right before the snap when Ertz scored the go ahead TD. Watching the rest of the game, it’s crazy how many players and coaches are gone. Like you said, it doesn’t seem that long ago, but in football years, three or four seasons is a lifetime. 

15 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The other night I went through my DVR and saw LII on my "continue watching” list. It was right before the snap when Ertz scored the go ahead TD. Watching the rest of the game, it’s crazy how many players and coaches are gone. Like you said, it doesn’t seem that long ago, but in football years, three or four seasons is a lifetime. 

Happens a lot. Look at the Broncos, Giants, Ravens and many other teams that went to the SB falling apart a few years later. Players on SB teams get big contracts for other teams. Teams and coaches get figured out or mimicked. We are just one of many this has happened to. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Doesn’t look so bad. 

Oh. Never mind. 

Depends how many of the 30+ players could be reasonably considered a liability when compared to a 25-year old starter the Eagles could reasonably have if the Eagles had parted ways with them.

Brooks and Johnson are dependent on health.  If they can last this season and next I would argue they are still assets.  Slay is still an asset because he’s the first live body the Eagles have had at CB in a decade, regardless of age.  Kelce is still an asset.

If McLeod hadn’t done his ACL he’d still be an asset, but he’s in the liability column.  I probably wouldn’t have brought back Graham so he might be a liability at this stage.  Cox has me on the fence — he’s overpaid, but if Hargrave and Williams stay healthy then Cox could have a rebound year.

How many players on defense are going to be playing out of their natural position? Seems like I keep hearing how we’re having someone play a different position 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Let's play this game out a little...

How many CBs are there that moved to S and thrived?   I'd say quite a few... Point to Malcolm Jenkins, for exhibit A.  

Now, how many Ss are there that moved to CB and thrived?   I'd say that's a quite smaller sample size.

Rather than focusing on the number of failures there are in making the transition, let's acknowledge that the move from CB to S is normally dictated by the failure of that player to stick at S, and the move to S is often a last ditch effort to make something of that player.  So, there's already a bit of a predisposition towards failure in that move from the beginning.   And rather than focus on how many cannot move from CB to S, compare that to the number of players that they even try to move from S to CB.  That's a pretty small number.

So, which transition actually works more frequently?  CB to S or S to CB?   I'd put forward that the numbers are overwhelming in favor of CB to S, rather than the opposite.  So, let's actually argue based on facts than 'qualities' that you ascribe to the positions.  In cold hard facts, how many players have successfully transitioned from CB to S, and vice versa.   Whichever one happens more frequently is the answer to @Wentz_Era's position.  If the CB to S happens more frequently, then his assertion is confirmed.  If not, then his assertion is baseless. 

The reason you see conversions from CB to S is the same reason you see conversions from OT to OG.

Teams put their best athletes at WR, CB and OT in college.

If a CB has size but lacks sufficient athleticism to make it at CB in the NFL, he's often tried at S. It usually comes down to stiff hips, CBs have to be able to turn with CBs, safeties need a good burst and as BigEFly points out, the recognition to know the right angles to take, but they rarely get matched up in man coverage against top WRs. So you can take the guys with mediocre hips but otherwise solid athletes with the smarts to understand what they're seeing and convert them to safety.

A great athlete who's successful at safety in college is rarely moved to CB b/c he has more value as a safety, while average safeties are fungible, someone like Dawkins is a game changer.

The eagles don’t really have a foundation or important players, so age really is just a meaningless number in this instance.

15 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

How many players on defense are going to be playing out of their natural position? Seems like I keep hearing how we’re having someone play a different position 

All of them. Cox is our single high S

23 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The reason you see conversions from CB to S is the same reason you see conversions from OT to OG.

Teams put their best athletes at WR, CB and OT in college.

If a CB has size but lacks sufficient athleticism to make it at CB in the NFL, he's often tried at S. It usually comes down to stiff hips, CBs have to be able to turn with CBs, safeties need a good burst and as BigEFly points out, the recognition to know the right angles to take, but they rarely get matched up in man coverage against top WRs. So you can take the guys with mediocre hips but otherwise solid athletes with the smarts to understand what they're seeing and convert them to safety.

A great athlete who's successful at safety in college is rarely moved to CB b/c he has more value as a safety, while average safeties are fungible, someone like Dawkins is a game changer.

Eric Rowe carved a niche covering TE’s. He’s considered a top safety in that area. 

Urban Meyer is going to be so bad 

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Urban Meyer is going to be so bad 

Lol. He’s like "if I can’t have Kadarius Toney, I’m going to turn Etienne into him.”

Etienne has the profile to be an excellent slot WR. You draft him to move him everywhere in the formation. The Saints have made it work with Kamara.

Maybe we can trade a 2nd for Lawrence in a couple years after Urban ruins him.  

What difference does that Etienne comment matter?  It's clear that he's a good RB, so work on his pass game skills somewhere else in a meaningless camp.

NFL network has the Jim Schwartz masterpiece on vs Pittsburgh last year. Good times.