1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

NFCCG #1: 171 yds passing, 1 TD, 1 INT

NFCCG #2: 243 yds passing, 0 TD, 1 INT

NFCCG #3: 100 yds passing, 0 TD, 3 INT

NFCCG #4: 180 yds passing, 2 TD, 0 INT (W)

SB: 357 yds passing, 3 TD, 3 INT (not including a called back INT that he then threw to the same DB 1 play later).

 

Mcnabb was the primary reason they came up short in the playoffs all those years.

 

When he finally played good against the Cards in the NFCCG the defense couldnt hold it down that day.  Out of all the NFCCG appearances I felt that was the one team that was going to win it all.  I never felt they were going to beat NE in SB 39.  

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Encouraging!

• Hurts ranked 40th out of 42 quarterbacks graded by PFF.
• Hurts ranked 31st out of 37 quarterbacks in Football Outsiders’ DVOA metric.
• Among qualified quarterbacks, Drew Lock led the NFL in bad throws (22.9%) and ranked last in on target throws (68.9%) last year. Hurts was significantly worse in those categories (26.7% and 60.7%).
• Hurts completed just 52% of his attempts. For perspective on how low that number is, Drew Lock ranked last out of 35 qualified quarterbacks with a 57.3% completion percentage.
• Hurts completed just 48.8% of his attempts on non-play action plays. (Interestingly, he had the NFL’s biggest completion percentage difference between play action and not with a 66.7% completion on the former.)
• Hurts’ 7.2 yards per attempt was only tied for the 20th best mark.
• Hurts’ 77.6 passer rating ranked only above Lock, Dwayne Haskins, Carson Wentz, and Sam Darnold.
• Only six players fumbled more than Hurts last year despite the fact he played just 334 snaps (29.6%).
• Hurts took the longest average time to throw at 3.39 seconds. Lamar Jackson was the second-longest at 3.17 seconds. With Hurts failing to get the ball out quick, PFF charted him for the second-highest percentage of pressures generated by defense charged to quarterbacks. This is to say he invited too much pressure

So he did play better then Wentz. 

6 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

When he finally played good against the Cards in the NFCCG the defense couldnt hold it down that day.  Out of all the NFCCG appearances I felt that was the one team that was going to win it all.  I never felt they were going to beat NE in SB 39.  

 

Revisionist history. McNabb had a good second half of that Cardinals NFC Championship Game.  He was putrid in the first half which really set the team back. 

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Encouraging!

• Hurts ranked 40th out of 42 quarterbacks graded by PFF.
• Hurts ranked 31st out of 37 quarterbacks in Football Outsiders’ DVOA metric.
• Among qualified quarterbacks, Drew Lock led the NFL in bad throws (22.9%) and ranked last in on target throws (68.9%) last year. Hurts was significantly worse in those categories (26.7% and 60.7%).
• Hurts completed just 52% of his attempts. For perspective on how low that number is, Drew Lock ranked last out of 35 qualified quarterbacks with a 57.3% completion percentage.
• Hurts completed just 48.8% of his attempts on non-play action plays. (Interestingly, he had the NFL’s biggest completion percentage difference between play action and not with a 66.7% completion on the former.)
• Hurts’ 7.2 yards per attempt was only tied for the 20th best mark.
• Hurts’ 77.6 passer rating ranked only above Lock, Dwayne Haskins, Carson Wentz, and Sam Darnold.
• Only six players fumbled more than Hurts last year despite the fact he played just 334 snaps (29.6%).
• Hurts took the longest average time to throw at 3.39 seconds. Lamar Jackson was the second-longest at 3.17 seconds. With Hurts failing to get the ball out quick, PFF charted him for the second-highest percentage of pressures generated by defense charged to quarterbacks. This is to say he invited too much pressure

I'm not a Jalen Hurts fan at all.  Didnt think he was good enough for the NFL. 

But no chance he can improve?  

5 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I'm not a Jalen Hurts fan at all.  Didnt think he was good enough for the NFL. 

But no chance he can improve?  

Hard to get worse.

Just now, Desertbirds said:

Hard to get worse.

That's true.

3 hours ago, bpac55 said:

But those Eagles teams were on the cusp of something great.  During his 3 years here the Eagles won the NFCE every year and were 1 win away from the Super Bowl twice.  Think about the team during that 2000-2003 time frame.

-Donovan McNabb in his prime

Offense-Tra Thomas, John Welbourn, Bubba Miller, Jermane Mayberry, Jon Runyan , Chad Lewis, Correll Buckhalter, Duce Staley...WR was lacking

Defense -Corey Simon, Hugh Douglas, Carlos Emmons, Brian Dawkins, Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, Al Harris.  Even guys like Paul Grasmanis, who averaged 3 sacks/year during this stretch as DT4.

ST- Brian Mitchell, Ike Reese, Mike Caldwell, Tim Hauck, Je'Rod Cherry, Dameane Douglas, Mike Bartrum, Rashard Cook...I mean these are core ST players who knew their roles and excelled at them.

SEVEN future head coaches- John Harbaugh, Lezlie Frazier, Brad Childress. Sean McDermott, Steve Spagnuolo, Ron Rivera, Pat Shurmur

HC- AR

DC- JJ

Brian Mitchell signed here when that team was ready to peak.  This Eagles team is fighting for a top 5 draft pick with more questions than answers across the board.  The only player I'm taking from this team over the 2000s Eagles is Jason Kelce.  It's a crime that team didn't win multiple Super Bowls.

I would take Fletcher Cox over Corey Simon, Barnett/Sweat over Whiting/Kalu.    You are forgetting the most important part of the backfield in Westbrook who was drafted in 2002 and had started emerging in 03.  In their SB run, Westbrook had taken over and was proving to be a dynamic player.  He put up over1500 yards of combined offense and was still a dynamic punt returner.  You're right about the others.  

 

9 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I'm not a Jalen Hurts fan at all.  Didnt think he was good enough for the NFL. 

But no chance he can improve?  

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

 

guess he is a nickel. didnt even know Houston was on the team honestly so paid next to nothing.

At least he costs nothing if he does suck unlike that puss Wentz who was worse.

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

 

Well that solves CB

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

 

Why are we always trying to corner the market on slot corners ??

26 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Encouraging!

• Hurts ranked 40th out of 42 quarterbacks graded by PFF.
• Hurts ranked 31st out of 37 quarterbacks in Football Outsiders’ DVOA metric.
• Among qualified quarterbacks, Drew Lock led the NFL in bad throws (22.9%) and ranked last in on target throws (68.9%) last year. Hurts was significantly worse in those categories (26.7% and 60.7%).
• Hurts completed just 52% of his attempts. For perspective on how low that number is, Drew Lock ranked last out of 35 qualified quarterbacks with a 57.3% completion percentage.
• Hurts completed just 48.8% of his attempts on non-play action plays. (Interestingly, he had the NFL’s biggest completion percentage difference between play action and not with a 66.7% completion on the former.)
• Hurts’ 7.2 yards per attempt was only tied for the 20th best mark.
• Hurts’ 77.6 passer rating ranked only above Lock, Dwayne Haskins, Carson Wentz, and Sam Darnold.
• Only six players fumbled more than Hurts last year despite the fact he played just 334 snaps (29.6%).
• Hurts took the longest average time to throw at 3.39 seconds. Lamar Jackson was the second-longest at 3.17 seconds. With Hurts failing to get the ball out quick, PFF charted him for the second-highest percentage of pressures generated by defense charged to quarterbacks. This is to say he invited too much pressure

 

 

Ahhh the Bible of PFF's rankings. 

Let's take a look back at their rankings for QBs heading into 2020 season:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2020-quarterback-rankings

 

Justin Herbert ranked dead last at 34.

Josh Allen ranked 30.

 

 

 

 

26 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Encouraging!

• Hurts ranked 40th out of 42 quarterbacks graded by PFF.
• Hurts ranked 31st out of 37 quarterbacks in Football Outsiders’ DVOA metric.
• Among qualified quarterbacks, Drew Lock led the NFL in bad throws (22.9%) and ranked last in on target throws (68.9%) last year. Hurts was significantly worse in those categories (26.7% and 60.7%).
• Hurts completed just 52% of his attempts. For perspective on how low that number is, Drew Lock ranked last out of 35 qualified quarterbacks with a 57.3% completion percentage.
• Hurts completed just 48.8% of his attempts on non-play action plays. (Interestingly, he had the NFL’s biggest completion percentage difference between play action and not with a 66.7% completion on the former.)
• Hurts’ 7.2 yards per attempt was only tied for the 20th best mark.
• Hurts’ 77.6 passer rating ranked only above Lock, Dwayne Haskins, Carson Wentz, and Sam Darnold.
• Only six players fumbled more than Hurts last year despite the fact he played just 334 snaps (29.6%).
• Hurts took the longest average time to throw at 3.39 seconds. Lamar Jackson was the second-longest at 3.17 seconds. With Hurts failing to get the ball out quick, PFF charted him for the second-highest percentage of pressures generated by defense charged to quarterbacks. This is to say he invited too much pressure

Which is why I mean it and am not exaggerating when I say that Hurts is probably the worst pure passer of the 32 starting QB's in the NFL.

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Ahhh the Bible of PFF's rankings. 

Let's take a look back at their rankings for QBs heading into 2020 season:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2020-quarterback-rankings

 

Justin Herbert ranked dead last at 34.

Josh Allen ranked 30.

 

Heading into the season rankings are called projections, after the season, they are called facts.

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Ahhh the Bible of PFF's rankings. 

Let's take a look back at their rankings for QBs heading into 2020 season:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2020-quarterback-rankings

 

Justin Herbert ranked dead last at 34.

Josh Allen ranked 30.

 

 

both were consensus first rounder. Hurts was a consensus day 3 except for dumbarse Lurie

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Well that solves CB

Back themselves into a corner and managed to make a play 

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Ahhh the Bible of PFF's rankings. 

Let's take a look back at their rankings for QBs heading into 2020 season:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2020-quarterback-rankings

 

Justin Herbert ranked dead last at 34.

Josh Allen ranked 30.

 

 

Didn't you just quote PFF's depth of target to fluff up Hurts?

8 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Ahhh the Bible of PFF's rankings. 

Let's take a look back at their rankings for QBs heading into 2020 season:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2020-quarterback-rankings

 

Justin Herbert ranked dead last at 34.

Josh Allen ranked 30.

 

 

You literally just compared statistical facts to pure projections (that absolutely nobody got right) on a rookie that had never taken a snap and a QB that was less than mediocre in his first 2 seasons.   Stop it.  

13 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Ahhh the Bible of PFF's rankings. 

Let's take a look back at their rankings for QBs heading into 2020 season:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2020-quarterback-rankings

 

Justin Herbert ranked dead last at 34.

Josh Allen ranked 30.

 

 

Projections don't equal facts. Way to twist the narrative. What a disingenuous poster.

14 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

both were consensus first rounder. Hurts was a consensus day 3 except for dumbarse Lurie

The guy was asked by multiple scouts and teams if he was willing to change positions.  Scouts and teams have been proven wrong before, but for that to even be a conceivable need, that's the kind of QB you draft late, stash, and only given an opportunity if his level of play or need absolutely demands the opportunity.

That's why I don't get the "you have to give him a chance" rationale.  Sure, now we have to...because we overdrafted him in round 2 and have no one else.  There's nothing about him as a prospect or his performance last year that says you have to give him a chance.  

QBs outside of round 1...Dak got a chance because he was thrown in after the starter got hurt and had one of the best rookie seasons in history.  Brady got a chance because the starter got hurt and he took the NFL by storm.  The Chargers never really committed to Brees and were looking to upgrade from the beginning (that obviously didn't work out for them, but that's besides the point).  Russell Wilson surprised in training camp, won a job, and went to a pro-bowl as a rookie.

The point is that the surprising, high end non-round 1 QB's were not handed opportunities...they commanded the job the second they got on the field and never looked back (with the exception of Brees, who subsequently lost his job).  Only round 1elite passing prospects actually get prolonged opportunities.  If you are a Jalen Hurts, you better get it right early, or you're out.

Hurts was a bad passer when he got his shot.  They don't owe him anything...and the whispers make it pretty clear they are already looking around.

43 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Encouraging!

• Hurts ranked 40th out of 42 quarterbacks graded by PFF.
• Hurts ranked 31st out of 37 quarterbacks in Football Outsiders’ DVOA metric.
• Among qualified quarterbacks, Drew Lock led the NFL in bad throws (22.9%) and ranked last in on target throws (68.9%) last year. Hurts was significantly worse in those categories (26.7% and 60.7%).
• Hurts completed just 52% of his attempts. For perspective on how low that number is, Drew Lock ranked last out of 35 qualified quarterbacks with a 57.3% completion percentage.
• Hurts completed just 48.8% of his attempts on non-play action plays. (Interestingly, he had the NFL’s biggest completion percentage difference between play action and not with a 66.7% completion on the former.)
• Hurts’ 7.2 yards per attempt was only tied for the 20th best mark.
• Hurts’ 77.6 passer rating ranked only above Lock, Dwayne Haskins, Carson Wentz, and Sam Darnold.
• Only six players fumbled more than Hurts last year despite the fact he played just 334 snaps (29.6%).
• Hurts took the longest average time to throw at 3.39 seconds. Lamar Jackson was the second-longest at 3.17 seconds. With Hurts failing to get the ball out quick, PFF charted him for the second-highest percentage of pressures generated by defense charged to quarterbacks. This is to say he invited too much pressure

Disingenuous.

Don't know much about Scott.  Not a fan of constantly bringing in midgets at CB.  Not sure I understand the rational there.  You would also think bottom of the roster CB's could be had in a clean swap so for Howie to include his gold (6th round picks are his main currency) they must think there's some upside there.  He looks aggressive on tape and seems to be around the ball quite a bit.  

Would still love to add someone better at CB2.  If Scott can get Maddox off the field I'm fine with it.