56 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/top-25-nfl-players-under-25-patrick-mahomes-takes-top-spot-saints-lead-all-teams-with-three-stars/
 

For anyone who thinks Howie’s drafting is just fine and we "expect him to hit on 100% of his picks.”

 

So what does that list tell you about winning Super Bowls? The Chiefs have one player on the list and the Patriots have none. 

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Dak is a good QB just like Kirk Cousins is a good QB.  Dak didn't own the Eagles when it counted last season and as I recall Cooper just sat that game out.  They have added talent but they lost talent on defense.  Keeping Cooper was good for them but losing Jones was worse.  Again, my hope is that they don't keep Dak.  That the team under performs vs. their expectations next season.  I mean there's not a small chance that they could end up a 7-9 team or worse.  

Kirk Cousins has destroyed the Eagles as of late so that argument doesn't hold much weight.  Dak didn't have Cooper, his best weapon so I think if he does, it's more of a game.  Dak is better when he has all of his guys.  He will NEVER carry a team but Jerry is building that team so he doesn't have to.  

I think they upgraded their defense.  Byron Jones was overpaid and Dallas took 2 corners who could be on his level in time.  They got a steal on the d-line with the kid from OU.  

Jason Garrett was holding that team back as much as anything else.  McCarthy won a SB.  That means something.  Yes he fell apart at the end of his GB tenure but he can turn that team around.

I hate Dallas, I'm just being realistic in looking at how they have improved.  They are going to be a good team.

Regarding the new onside kick rule, I think 4th & 15 is too easy, relatively speaking. Stealing a possession should be a little more difficult. 4th & 20 would be better. 

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

Regarding the new onside kick rule, I think 4th & 15 is too easy, relatively speaking. Stealing a possession should be a little more difficult. 4th & 26 would be better. 

FYP

37 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

It reflects that the Eagles have not drafted well recently.

The Eagles haven’t drafted many players in the time frame given and look at the records most of those teams had to land those players.  Most are skill players.  Good chance Boobie replaces one of those RBs next year. 

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

Regarding the new onside kick rule, I think 4th & 15 is too easy, relatively speaking. Stealing a possession should be a little more difficult. 4th & 20 would be better. 

According to FootballOutsiders, the success rate on 4th & 15 is about 8%. So going for it is extremely risky.

Just now, RLC said:

According to FootballOutsiders, the success rate on 4th & 15 is about 8%. So going for it is extremely risky.

It's certainly not automatic. What's the success rate on 4th & 20?

I would prefer 4th & 15 to an onside's kick though.

3 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Regarding the new onside kick rule, I think 4th & 15 is too easy, relatively speaking. Stealing a possession should be a little more difficult. 4th & 20 would be better. 

4th and 15 for one play is too easy? Dude some people can't make first downs with 3 tries starting at 10 yards. Plus if they blow it that game is over. 4th and 15 is just fine.

Just now, greend said:

4th and 15 for one play is too easy? Dude some people can't make first downs with 3 tries starting at 10 yards. Plus if they blow it that game is over. 4th and 15 is just fine.

Relatively speaking.

Losing possession of the ball for allowing one 15 yard play is tough. 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

According to FootballOutsiders, the success rate on 4th & 15 is about 8%. So going for it is extremely risky.

That is about the same as the recovered onside kick percentage in 2018 and 2019. 

19 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Teddy Roosevelt "guys the most important thing is winning even if you cheat, even if the whole world thinks you're a bunch of cheating scumbags, win, win, win, that way you get a series on t.v. about how great you are, you cheating Fers" 

2 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Relatively speaking.

Losing possession of the ball for allowing one 15 yard play is tough. 

So is losing it on a onside kick, that's why girls don't play the game

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Kirk Cousins has destroyed the Eagles as of late so that argument doesn't hold much weight.  Dak didn't have Cooper, his best weapon so I think if he does, it's more of a game.  Dak is better when he has all of his guys.  He will NEVER carry a team but Jerry is building that team so he doesn't have to.  

I think they upgraded their defense.  Byron Jones was overpaid and Dallas took 2 corners who could be on his level in time.  They got a steal on the d-line with the kid from OU.  

Jason Garrett was holding that team back as much as anything else.  McCarthy won a SB.  That means something.  Yes he fell apart at the end of his GB tenure but he can turn that team around.

I hate Dallas, I'm just being realistic in looking at how they have improved.  They are going to be a good team.

Kirk Cousins has won nothing in his career.  He is an OK QB.  Kirk Cousins may win but it will only because he's playing on a team with a ton of talent around him.  I think the same can be said about Dak.  Sure, he has beaten the Eagles, in part, because the Eagles played poorly and lacked talent.  When the Eagles had the better talent, they won games.  They won last season in the game that mattered when Carson was working with far less talent.  Also, Cooper played in that game.  Caught 4 passes on 12 targets.  Dak was terrible in the game due to an alleged shoulder injury.  (one which did not require surgery) This is my main point with Dak is that he needs everything to be perfect to win. He's not going to pull out a win with less talented skill players.  He's not a bad QB. He is a good QB but he won't make a bad team a playoff team.  He won't win without elite talent around him.  The Cowboys do have some elite talent and may have added to it. 

I don't see how anyone can believe their roster is better on the defensive side of the ball.  They may have added talented rookies but Byron Jones was a top 10 player at his position.  I don't think they added that kind of talent.  They lost their leading pass rusher.  I think their performance under a new coach is a question mark.  

They were ultimately a mediocre team last season.  They could be worse next season.  

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Kirk Cousins has won nothing in his career.

Its Kirk Coupons my friend. Everything else is spot on. He's mediocre at best.

6 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Relatively speaking.

Losing possession of the ball for allowing one 15 yard play is tough. 

So is losing it on an onside kick? It just changes the chances of success.  

16 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Kirk Cousins has destroyed the Eagles as of late so that argument doesn't hold much weight.  Dak didn't have Cooper, his best weapon so I think if he does, it's more of a game.  Dak is better when he has all of his guys.  He will NEVER carry a team but Jerry is building that team so he doesn't have to.  

I think they upgraded their defense.  Byron Jones was overpaid and Dallas took 2 corners who could be on his level in time.  They got a steal on the d-line with the kid from OU.  

Jason Garrett was holding that team back as much as anything else.  McCarthy won a SB.  That means something.  Yes he fell apart at the end of his GB tenure but he can turn that team around.

I hate Dallas, I'm just being realistic in looking at how they have improved.  They are going to be a good team.

You nor anyone else here has any idea how they've improved.  We can take guesses, we can analyze, and we can project, but you are being emphatic about it.  Not one player they drafted has played a down in the NFL, and none of us can say, "Man Dallas really kicked our a** in the draft this year" until maybe 2022.  McCarthy was a decent HC, but again, we have no idea how he is going to be able to handle the egos that belong to the Jones family.  He also had the luxury of coaching one of the most talented QBs of all time at a young age.  He does not have that luxury in Dallas.  

7 minutes ago, greend said:

4th and 15 for one play is too easy? Dude some people can't make first downs with 3 tries starting at 10 yards. Plus if they blow it that game is over. 4th and 15 is just fine.

So Howie and his analytics team will no the stats for the most successful 15 yard plays and against which defenses. Schwartz will play sticks. 

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

That is about the same as the recovered onside kick percentage in 2018 and 2019. 

Interesting.

To be fair to those onside kick numbers, they go way down when you remove "surprise" onside kicks. I don't know the exact %, but few teams got any "gotta have it" onside kicks last year.

45 minutes ago, greend said:

Sanders was a pretty good pick, no? Dillard will be as well. So it reflects nothing.

It reflects nothing?  Really?  Don't just ignore the fact that we haven't drafted a consensus stud in years.

Dillard may be too old for the list before he starts.  

Sanders was a good pick and is good.  Our best draft pick since Wentz can't make the list.  Says a lot.

22 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Regarding the new onside kick rule, I think 4th & 15 is too easy, relatively speaking. Stealing a possession should be a little more difficult. 4th & 20 would be better. 

You also have to factor in the risk if you don't get it, the opposing team is practically already in their redzone

8 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

So Howie and his analytics team will no the stats for the most successful 15 yard plays and against which defenses. Schwartz will play sticks. 

Yup, which is pretty darned successful 

34 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

So what does that list tell you about winning Super Bowls? The Chiefs have one player on the list and the Patriots have none. 

 

23 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

The Eagles haven’t drafted many players in the time frame given and look at the records most of those teams had to land those players.  Most are skill players.  Good chance Boobie replaces one of those RBs next year. 

Saints have the most players on the list and the most wins in the NFL over that time frame.  The #1 player on the list just won a SB.  It takes green shaded glasses to dismiss the fact that our last several drafts have not yielded impact players, just a bunch of guys that require Eagle-friendly analysis to justify that they met expectations.

I'm going to die on the hill that kickers should just blast the ball as hard as they can directly at the receiving team for an onsides kick. It's either a stupid idea that never works in practice or just not feasible with the ball shape, but I want to see it done.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

You also have to factor in the risk if you don't get it, the opposing team is practically already in their redzone

For sure, but if a team is attempting an onside's kick at the end of the game and don't recover it, they're very likely going to lose regardless of field possession.

I'm not saying teams will attempt these 4th & 15s throughout the game. It'll be a desperate attempt at the end of the game as usual still.

And I'm not saying I dislike the new idea. I like it. Just think 20 yards is a little better.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

It reflects nothing?  Really?  Don't just ignore the fact that we haven't drafted a consensus stud in years.

Dillard may be too old for the list before he starts.  

Sanders was a good pick and is good.  Our best draft pick since Wentz can't make the list.  Says a lot.

Subjective list is what it says. As was pointed out to you by nciggles most of those teams on that list stink as well so.............................means nothin, bruh