5 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

One last thought on Dak and QB contracts...

I think what gets overlooked is that in 2-3 years, like half the league will have invested $30M+ into their starting QB.

In 2022, cap hits are:

Cousins ... $45M
Ryan ... $41M
Rodgers ... $39M
Wilson ... $37M
Tannehill ... $34M
Goff ... $32M
Wentz ... $31M
Garoppolo ... $27M
Stafford ... $26M
Bridgewater ... $26M

Over the next two years, you figure to add Prescott, Mahomes, Watson, Jackson ... and we'll see for the younger, less proven QBs. Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, Murray, Jones, Haskins.

So about half the league will be paying $30M+ per year for their QB. It's become common place. Is it a disadvantage for those 16 or so teams compared to the other half? Sure. But there's a pretty good chance those other teams who aren't paying top dollar for a QB aren't relevant - or they have a QB on their rookie contract. 

It's just not the burden people think it is, IMO. 

The problem is if you pay a QB who isn't worth it that kind of money.

Wentz was a bargain.  Look at that list of crap at the top besides Wilson.  No offense to Rogers (and that probably won't be dead cap money), but he isn't worth 39M in 2022.  Joe Banner said the same thing the second the deal was signed.  

2 hours ago, JSEagle said:

I will never, for the life of me, understand the Dak love fest that goes on in here. Go be a Cowboys fan.

Guy has one of the most talented rosters in football and had all the pretty stats in the world while leading his team to a shiny 8-8 record.

He's so overrated I could puke. He's an okay quarterback that is and always has been elevated because of the team around him. Give him our offense from last season and he wins three games. The Dakscuses of "oh, he had a booboo on his shoulder" can be saved for the Cowboys forum, thanks.

Meanwhile our quarterback wins the division with a few cardboard cutouts and TATErs lined up at receiver and people want him out of town over an illegal spear to the head. Give me a break.

Lighten up, Francis.  Who has said they want Carson gone?  But also no harm in seeing his flaws either. No harm in admitting Dak is a good QB. Above average.  Yes, being surrounded by talent helps.  Don’t think the Eagles OL helps Carson?  Comment about Dak’s shoulder is accurate. We had a debate in the Blog before the game on the degree we bought the injury report and the level of practice they said he was taking. So if he was hurting (and it did look like it was limiting some throws), that should be accepted.   Also, Cooper allegedly had a foot issue.  Don’t know how true that was or if he was dogging it a bit to avoid injury in a contract year.  He did get paid.  Also true that Jeffery was nagged by a foot and calf injury all year.  He did get a guarantee and that may have caused him to push too hard resulting in the lis franc.  Who knows? Realism is there isn’t much separating the Eagles and the cowpads.  Heck to listen to some posters in here, half the Eagles are going to apply for social security and the other half are all bad.  

9 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Phil Jackson to the Eagles:

 

Ok guys. Key to winning a buttload of championships?  Let’s see.  Have the greatest player on the planet on your team not once but twice.  Have one of the most dominant big men on your team.  

 

Ok.  You’re on mute so type in your questions or raise your hand.     

Yup.

3 of the 10 best players of all time... and for a period he had 2 of them on the same team.  

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

The defensive back depth chart is going to be interesting.

My guess is that the starters will be McLeod, Mills, Slay and Maddox or Jones, with Robey-Coleman at nickel. Then the first guy off the bench in dime will be a battle between Parks/Wallace/LeBlanc and the loser or the Maddox/Jones battle.

Ideally Jones wins the starting outside corner role and they start training Maddox to take over for McLeod. He has the speed to play back there, but who knows if he can do it at his size. LeBlanc looks like the odd man out at this point, but I am sure after the team goes through its normal rash of injuries, he will be starting at outside corner along with Rasul Douglas. 

I am looking forward to camp but fear all we will get is Spads propaganda this year. I am hoping that Jones comes in closer to 190 than 180. Look at what Douglas did to his physique last year as an example.  Jones can cover, he just lacks strength and form for tackling.   I don’t think anything is a given at any position besides Slay and probably McLeod.  Every other position is up for grabs and other than Wallace, I don’t think a roster spot is guaranteed although Maddox seems likely to stick.  I think there will be a real battle at SS.  Even Garland Arnold is in play for that position.  I think nickel is going to be a battle too and that might include Jones and Maddox.  Don’t forget Williams.  Also, whoever are seven, eight and nine are going to have to play STs as well as Craig James.  Prince Smith may be a PS candidate.  

9 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Phil Jackson to the Eagles:

 

Ok guys. Key to winning a buttload of championships?  Let’s see.  Have the greatest player on the planet on your team not once but twice.  Have one of the most dominant big men on your team.  

 

Ok.  You’re on mute so type in your questions or raise your hand.     

I’m not a big Phil Jackson fan, but there is a chicken-and-egg argument to be made here.  Neither Jordan nor Bryant simply walked on an NBA court as great players without coaching and developing playing a large part.  
 

Jordan was a 3rd overall pick, Bryant was 13th overall.  Maybe they were all-time greats in no small part due to Phil Jackson’s influence and coaching.

My favorite stat of Dak's is how many games in his career where has scored 0 touchdowns running or passing. It's more than you can count on one hand

1 hour ago, hputenis said:

Wentz was a bargain.  Look at that list of crap at the top besides Wilson.  No offense to Rogers (and that probably won't be dead cap money), but he isn't worth 39M in 2022.  Joe Banner said the same thing the second the deal was signed.  

No way either Cousins or Rodgers will collect those salaries, though.  Cousins is a $10M dead cap for 2022 and, unless MIN wins the Super Bowl, he’ll be gone as a cap casualty — or restructured again in the unlikely event they do. 
 

Even Rodgers at $17M will be traded so they can move forward with Love on a rookie deal and recoup some draft capital to build around him.

26 minutes ago, TEW said:

Yup.

3 of the 10 best players of all time... and for a period he had 2 of them on the same team.  

But they weren't winning until he coached them.  Jordan didn't win without him, either did Kobe.  Don't overlook the ability to be able to coach greatness, it's obviously not as simplistic and easy as you think.

6 hours ago, Penn7980 said:

If the team wins most games in the season, it goes down to the end of the draft.  Drafting late should be a badge of honor, not a reason it yields lesser talents.  Important things are drafting the right players to fit your scheme, coaching them up and playing them. 

In practice, it's just unfair to expect teams drafting late to be as good as teams drafting early. That's one of the reasons there's so much league parity.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Jordan’s rise was apparent and started well before Jackson arrived in Chicago.  I can assure, it’s the other way around.  NBA coaches have less to do with superstar players development than you think.  

For the most part that is true, but like everything else, there are exceptions.  It wasn't just the great players he coached, he also got all the other players on the team to play their roles and do it well.  And, a great coach finds the way to allow the great player to maximize their abilities.  Not every coach can do that.

 

14 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Jordan’s rise was apparent and started well before Jackson arrived in Chicago.  I can assure, it’s the other way around.  NBA coaches have less to do with superstar players development than you think.  

If you watch the Sixers coach you might change your position.  That guy has been given a lot to work with, and is still rubbing two sticks together like a caveman

55 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

But they weren't winning until he coached them.  Jordan didn't win without him, either did Kobe.  Don't overlook the ability to be able to coach greatness, it's obviously not as simplistic and easy as you think.

Kobe was literally a teenager before Jackson arrived, and right as he started entering his prime Jackson showed up. Same with Pippen, Jackson showed up right as Pippen was entering his third year. And what do you know, it also coincided with the 6ers, Lakers, Celtics and Pistons all getting old at the same time.  

Jackson is incredibly overrated. I could have coached those teams to titles, and I'm not even sure that's hyperbole.

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Thanks.  I was going to asked Alexa.  But you saved me time.  

Your sarcasm escapes me, but you do as well, so I win twice.

1 minute ago, TEW said:

Kobe was literally a teenager before Jackson arrived, and right as he started entering his prime Jackson showed up. Same with Pippen, Jackson showed up right as Pippen was entering his third year. And what do you know, it also coincided with the 6ers, Lakers, Celtics and Pistons all getting old at the same time.  

Jackson is incredibly overrated. I could have coached those teams to titles, and I'm not even sure that's hyperbole.

It's the most hyperbolic thing I've read on this board and that is a tall mountain.  However, it's good for people to reach for the stars, so bang your drum and don't let someone like me burst your bubble.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

If you watch the Sixers coach you might change your position.  That guy has been given a lot to work with, and is still rubbing two sticks together like a caveman

Jordan led the NBA in scoring averaging 37 and 35 ppg on 48 and 53% from the field the two years before Jackson arrived and won his first MVP award. He was already clearly the best player in the NBA.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You’re freaking weird 

 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

What did you win?   

A slice of key lime pie.  Weird?  Not sure I follow, but I ain't trying hard.

14 minutes ago, TEW said:

Kobe was literally a teenager before Jackson arrived, and right as he started entering his prime Jackson showed up. Same with Pippen, Jackson showed up right as Pippen was entering his third year. And what do you know, it also coincided with the 6ers, Lakers, Celtics and Pistons all getting old at the same time.  

Jackson is incredibly overrated. I could have coached those teams to titles, and I'm not even sure that's hyperbole.

Out of curiosity who are the coaches you put ahead of him? 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Out of curiosity who are the coaches you put ahead of him? 

This will be easy:  Pop, Riley, Daly, Auerbach, you know, guys who coached teams with zero talent to multiple championships

I don’t know much about timing 40s based on video clips, but this guy had Reagor at 4.25. Maybe he was late on the start and it’s really a 4.30?

1 hour ago, RLC said:

In practice, it's just unfair to expect teams drafting late to be as good as teams drafting early. 

This is precisely the point. So if you're talking about players under the age of 25, you're probably talking about three drafts. Roughly that. If you're picking in the twenties or thirties, there would be about sixty players picked before you even had the chance to make a selection. It stands to reason that if you were to make of list of the best twenty five players, they would be among that group of early picks. Based on that, I would argue that the chance of a team picking late in the draft having a player who qualifies for that list would be closer to zero than to one. 

Sure, we all want the Eagles to have all these young super players, but it's absolutely unrealistic to argue that they should have them. And FFS, Goedert and Sanders could easily be on a subjective list like this anyway.

3 hours ago, TEW said:

Yup.

3 of the 10 best players of all time... and for a period he had 2 of them on the same team.  

 

1 hour ago, TEW said:

Kobe was literally a teenager before Jackson arrived, and right as he started entering his prime Jackson showed up. Same with Pippen, Jackson showed up right as Pippen was entering his third year. And what do you know, it also coincided with the 6ers, Lakers, Celtics and Pistons all getting old at the same time.  

Jackson is incredibly overrated. I could have coached those teams to titles, and I'm not even sure that's hyperbole.

Ok, pump the brakes. Actually slam them. 2 points:

1. Neither Jordan nor Shaq won anything before Phil arrived. Jordan was already the MVP and Shaq was the most dominant player in the game, but neither won squat. Shaq won a title in Miami without Phil...just with Pat Riley. 
 

2. Jordan top 10 = obvious. Shaq top 10 = debatable. Kobe top 10 = laughable. I know he just passed and I want to be respectful, but Kobe is easily the most overrated player of all time. He is debatably a top 5 Laker of all time with Magic, Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Baylor and West in the convo. Top 10 in NBA history - stop it. Off the top of my head he is behind: Jordan, James, Magic, Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Bird, Duncan, Big O, Shaq, Baylor and Hakeem.  That’s 11, and that’s ignoring guys like Malone (Karl and Moses),  Bob Pettit, Nash and Curry who all won multiple MVPs to Kobe’s one. The man is 27th in career PER and 19th in career win shares. 
 

Phil was a great coach. Is he Pop or Riley? No. But he is great. 

48 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

 

Ok, pump the brakes. Actually slam them. 2 points:

1. Neither Jordan nor Shaq won anything before Phil arrived. Jordan was already the MVP and Shaq was the most dominant player in the game, but neither won squat. Shaq won a title in Miami without Phil...just with Pat Riley. 
 

2. Jordan top 10 = obvious. Shaq top 10 = debatable. Kobe top 10 = laughable. I know he just passed and I want to be respectful, but Kobe is easily the most overrated player of all time. He is debatably a top 5 Laker of all time with Magic, Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Baylor and West in the convo. Top 10 in NBA history - stop it. Off the top of my head he is behind: Jordan, James, Magic, Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Bird, Duncan, Big O, Shaq, Baylor and Hakeem.  That’s 11, and that’s ignoring guys like Malone (Karl and Moses),  Bob Pettit, Nash and Curry who all won multiple MVPs to Kobe’s one. The man is 27th in career PER and 19th in career win shares. 
 

Phil was a great coach. Is he Pop or Riley? No. But he is great. 

 

Shaq took the Magic to the finals before he even made it to the Lakers. Jackson stepped into the Bulls when Jordan was already clearly the best player in the world and had just entered the peak of his powers and Pippen was just hitting his prime. Combine that with the entire eastern conference getting old, and he was set up to win. Great timing makes all the difference in life.

I'd take Kobe over them. Especially Russell.  He's the Phil Jackson of centers -- incredibly overrated.  Dude played with FIVE other hall of famers.  The fact that when playing head to head Wilt's numbers actually improved (he even set the NBA rebound record against the greatest ever defensive big man) speaks volumes about this supposed defensive juggernaut's ability.  Let's be real here... you stick Wilt in any era and he's a 30 and 12 type of player.  Shaq before Shaq on offense, and a way better defender, rebounder and passer.  You stick Russell in the modern age and he's Ben Wallace at best -- a tweener center who offers little on the offensive end of the court.

Nash? Petit? Curry? Malone (either of them)? And you're telling me to stop it?

14 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

To me If lane And brooks play another 4 years at a high level they’re locks.

I kind of think Brandon graham is going to be a lock when he is done here. He has 51 sacks heading into 2020. If he gets 4 more he is fourth on the eagles all time list behind only Simmons, Cole and white. Add on he might have the biggest defensive play in eagles history. 

more curious question is how many will be pro football hall of famers when their careers are over. I think cox and peters are the only locks. I could see kelce, lane and wentz potentially with how the rest of their careers go.  

Sproles is #5 all time on the all purpose yards list.

Peters is legit in the discussion for GOAT of any position IMO.  

Kelce, if Saturday makes it soon...he's an eventual lock

Cox, is anything but a lock.  He's played in the era of Donald.  He hasn't had the flashy stats though his tape says he's one of the best defensive players in the league.

Lane, not even close because of the PED issue.

Wentz, we can only hope he last long enough to be in the discussion.  Right now he's not even remotely close until he wins a SB.  The injuries so far keep him out without a SB and another 8-10 years playing at a MVP level.

12 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Eagles are still 3-5 vs Dak and Dak is 18-6 against the NFC East.  Those are good numbers for him where it counts.  Would rather see the rest of the East split with each other.  

I get your point, but once the post season starts, the regular season doesn't matter.  Dak has been too busy hosting house parties during the playoffs because they suck.  Meanwhile the Eagles have a SB and multiple playoff appearances and wins.  Dak is a clone of Matt Hasselback.