3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

 

Saints have the most players on the list and the most wins in the NFL over that time frame.  The #1 player on the list just won a SB.  It takes green shaded glasses to dismiss the fact that our last several drafts have not yielded impact players, just a bunch of guys that require Eagle-friendly analysis to justify that they met expectations.

Oh and we know they woulda,shoulda,coulda, won a superbowl with all those good players. And yes the number one player has won a super bowl and?

1 minute ago, greend said:

Subjective list is what it says. As was pointed out to you by nciggles most of those teams on that list stink as well so.............................means nothin, bruh

So would you say the Eagles have drafted well from 2017-2019?  

20 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

That is about the same as the recovered onside kick percentage in 2018 and 2019. 

Interesting. The Eagles rule doesn't take away the traditional onsides kick, it just gives the team two different options. If it's about the same success rate, you would think they just go the traditional route since the ball placement is further down the field. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

So would you say the Eagles have drafted well from 2017-2019?  

I would say they have been okay. I would say they blew some picks and I would say they hit on some. Which as your argument started, to me would say they are about average with the rest of the NFL and you expect too much.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Interesting. The Eagles rule doesn't take away the traditional onsides kick, it just gives the team two different options. If it's about the same success rate, you would think they just go the traditional route since the ball placement is further down the field. 

RLC made a good point. If you take away surprise onside kicks, the percentage of recovering an onside kick is even less.

2 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

RLC made a good point. If you take away surprise onside kicks, the percentage of recovering an onside kick is even less.

I'm sure, but just keep doing that then. But I am thinking about through the course of the game, not necessarily the got it have it moments. I'd probably put it in my QB's hands for those where its win or lose.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'm sure, but just keep doing that then. But I am thinking about through the course of the game, not necessarily the got it have it moments. I'd probably put it in my QB's hands for those where its win or lose.

Yeah, there's no doubt you're taking 4th & 15 at the end of the game instead of an onside's kick.

2 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

This can't be true right?  Like this has to be clickbait? 

Mahomes and his agent should send a gift basket to Dak. WOW

The Eagles have had the following draft slots the past 4 years:
2020: 21
2019: 25
2018: 32
2017: 14

So in the past 4 years, we've been a bottom 10 team in terms of draft capital, before taking the Wentz trade into account. Less picks at worse slots = harder to draft players.
Yet, there are still lots of teams that have drafted worse than us. There are also many teams that have drafted better than us. Being average just doesn't make for good hot takes. 

59 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Eagles are still 3-5 vs Dak and Dak is 18-6 against the NFC East.  Those are good numbers for him where it counts.  Would rather see the rest of the East split with each other.  

Frederick retired, LVE isn’t healthy at all, all of the recent overpayments Jerry made (Zeke, Amari, Jaylon) played like they got fat last season, and they can’t get their franchise QB signed.

I don’t see DAL moving in the right direction, at all

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

 

Saints have the most players on the list and the most wins in the NFL over that time frame.  The #1 player on the list just won a SB.  It takes green shaded glasses to dismiss the fact that our last several drafts have not yielded impact players, just a bunch of guys that require Eagle-friendly analysis to justify that they met expectations.

I am not a fan of the focus on college production.  That got us Pumphrey and, while I like Barnett, he was a lower ceiling kind of guy.  Went a bit away from that last year and even more this year.  Production matters but it seemed like it was being over valued.  I will always see things more positively than you.  That said, my point was how meaningless that list was.  Skill players, not an OL in the group.  Absurd rules.  Can’t be 25.  Can’t be a rookie.  Obviously, except for the rare exception like Mahomes, you can’t sit or play spot action as a rookie.  The real judge for talent on a  team tends to be players between 25 and 30.  So teams with depth and talent in that range won’t have players on that list.  It proves nothing about talent or drafting. 

Not sure I get all the Dak hate, besides that he's a Cowboy.

He threw for 4,900 yards last year. 99.7 passer rating. 30 TDs. He's a good quarterback.

21 minutes ago, greend said:

I would say they have been okay. I would say they blew some picks and I would say they hit on some. Which as your argument started, to me would say they are about average with the rest of the NFL and you expect too much.

I expect better than average.  And having zero players on that list would have them worse than average for high end impact.  

4 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Not sure I get all the Dak hate, besides that he's a Cowboy.

He threw for 4,900 yards last year. 99.7 passer rating. 30 TDs. He's a good quarterback.

 

That, and he actually gives the Eagles fits almost every time he plays them. I mean he is 3-1 against them in their last four and had a bad shoulder in the second game last year. He's not an elite quarterback, but he is good and has given the Eagles issues. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I expect better than average.  And having zero players on that list would have them worse than average for high end impact.  

Having zero players on the subjective list you posted from teams that mostly stink? Sure bro whatever you say, you are absolutely not too hard on them. 

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I expect better than average.  And having zero players on that list would have them worse than average for high end impact.  

So you want a team picking in the top ten regularly?

3 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Not sure I get all the Dak hate, besides that he's a Cowboy.

He threw for 4,900 yards last year. 99.7 passer rating. 30 TDs. He's a good quarterback.

 

He's had talent around him.

 

Just now, ManuManu said:

 

Twice I get, but why do you have to be trailing? 

23 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Not sure I get all the Dak hate, besides that he's a Cowboy.

He threw for 4,900 yards last year. 99.7 passer rating. 30 TDs. He's a good quarterback.

Because of all the pieces in place around him (O-line, RB, speed and weapons at WR), and without doing deep research here, it just looked like Dak had it so much easier than everyone else at QB.  He's more of a 1 read guy, and generally, that 1 read is running wide open across the middle or down the field.  If that's not there, the flat and his safety play is wide open underneath.  Since he's mobile, he doesn't really have to do much. 

I'd argue that almost every one of Carson's TDs last season looked difficult.  He was either threading the tiniest of needles because the receivers couldn't get ANY separation, he had to extend the play and make a ridiculous throw, or DP would have to scheme someone open.  If we were to look at all of Carson's 27 TDs last season, I doubt Dak could make half of those throws.  

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Interesting.

To be fair to those onside kick numbers, they go way down when you remove "surprise" onside kicks. I don't know the exact %, but few teams got any "gotta have it" onside kicks last year.

Non-surprise onside kicks are recovered at 8.8 percent. If you include surprise onside kicks, it’s 10.3 percent. 

https://www.milehighreport.com/platform/amp/2020/3/14/21178129/weighing-risk-and-reward-the-surprise-onside-kick

Dak can throw for a billion yards and tds for all I care. He consistently doesn’t put his team over the top. People that like this dude seem to be masters at making excuses for him. "His shoulder hurt!” Cooper didn’t play!” BS and Tough crap. That’s why he’s just a good qb. He’ll never be elite or even great. Let him throw for a billion yards. He can even have a couple good games here and there. He can’t overcome anything. Not an injury to his line. Not an injury to his skill guys. Not a dropped pass.not even a bad play call. 
 

I WANT Dallas to pay him stupid money. Nothing would make me happier to see them saddled with the talent and skill equivalent of Chad Pennington. 

11 minutes ago, greend said:

Twice I get, but why do you have to be trailing? 

Seems weak to me. 

29 minutes ago, greend said:

Having zero players on the subjective list you posted from teams that mostly stink? Sure bro whatever you say, you are absolutely not too hard on them. 

You are the one that admits to being satisfied with average drafts.  I'd rather expect too much.

30 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

So you want a team picking in the top ten regularly?

Is that how the Saints got their guys?

I mean say you're ahead by 3 going into 2 minutes in the half and the other team gets the ball after the half. Wouldn't that be exciting to gamble on a 4th and 15 to put you ahead further? You could easily also give the other team the ball in scoring position to tie for it. 

IDK I think that could make the game more interesting