40 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I like Sanders a lot.

I think we aren’t doing well enough if a RB who split carries last year is our preeminent impact player under 25.  That speaks to the problem.

Sorry to tell you but w/o Sanders we don't make the playoff boom.................................impact!!!!!!

36 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

He's a Steve Smith clone.  I know some of us have mentioned it before but I really think he plays ths same game.

Steve Smith played with a large dose of attitude.  He dishes out as much as he took in.  Sanders is a good young RB, he has yet to show that level of attitude, IMHO. 

2 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

Steve Smith played with a large dose of attitude.  He dishes out as much as he took in.  Sanders is a good young RB, he has yet to show that level of attitude, IMHO. 

I was talking about Jalen Reagor.  I think Reagor has a nasty attitude to him.  Not quite Steve Smith but even he had to turn in to Steve Smith, he wasn't like that as a rookie.

Jeff Stoutland is a treasure.

On 5/20/2020 at 8:22 AM, greend said:

We freaking drove the field on them like crazy but couldn't get it in the endzone. Carson is exactly what was needed. 

Considering his red zone prowess I really believe the Eagles win that game. 

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Sanders doesn’t prove his point, though.  You have to consider Sanders as a blind squirrel pick.  

I've been thinking about this overnight, and I'm still bothered about the argument that the Eagles should have at least one player in the list of Top 25 players in the league under the age of twenty five. If you're picking 14th, 32nd, and 25th, there are going to be 68 players (discounting the trade down for Goedert and the trade up for Dillard) you never even had a shot at. So think about this for a moment. Of those Top 25 players, how many should come from that group of players you never had a shot at? I would suggest about fifteen. Something like that anyway. Guys like Kyler Murray (and why would the Eagles want him anyway, but that's beside the point), Nick Bosa, Saquon Barkley, Christian McCaffrey, Patrick Mahomes. Roughly fifteen guys. So there's really only ten other players "in play" for the Eagles to even pick. 

Ten players. Thirty two teams. The odds are that you won't pick one of those ten players who you actually had a chance at. That's just the math of it.

Okay, if you want to argue that the Eagles don't have enough of the Top 200 players under the age of 25, okay, fine, have at it. That might be an argument. Since there are thirty two teams in the league, any team should get about 3% of the talent. Roughly that. So if you want to say the Eagles should have about six of the top 200, okay. I'll buy that. They might only have three (Goedert, Sanders, and yes, Barnett). 

6 of the Top 200 is a fair argument (although for the reason I listed earlier about the top talent not being available, I think it should probably be closer to about four for a team picking toward the end of the order). On the other hand, 1 of the Top 25 is not a good argument. I actually think it's a terrible argument.

Furthermore, the Eagles used a second (and a first, but let's use that to offset the first they got for Bradford) on Wentz, a third on Jernigan, and a third on Darby. You can try to minimize Jernigan and Darby all you want, but those guys contributed to a Super Bowl. There was value there, even if they didn't wind up a year or two later with someone on someone's Top Player list. 

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Just ignorant.  Wanting one impact player in 3 years is not synonymous with wanting all picks on that list no matter where we pick them.

I’m not sure even Sproles and Pumphrey are short enough to walk under that bar you set.  

 

How would you rate the last 3 drafts in terms of below average/above average/ average.  I think that's where we can have a discussion.  

2017 - Average but probably just barely.  Maybe if Barnett doesn't produce the grade goes down but he's a starter.  If Jones suddenly becomes a player, it moves it to above average. 

2018 - Above Average - 

2019 - Big Incomplete - JJAW looks to be a bad pick. Thorson was a bad pick. Shareef Miller added nothing.  So below average for now.  

 

1 hour ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I've been thinking about this overnight, and I'm still bothered about the argument that the Eagles should have at least one player in the list of Top 25 players in the league under the age of twenty five. If you're picking 14th, 32nd, and 25th, there are going to be 68 players (discounting the trade down for Goedert and the trade up for Dillard) you never even had a shot at. So think about this for a moment. Of those Top 25 players, how many should come from that group of players you never had a shot at? I would suggest about fifteen. Something like that anyway. Guys like Kyler Murray (and why would the Eagles want him anyway, but that's beside the point), Nick Bosa, Saquon Barkley, Christian McCaffrey, Patrick Mahomes. Roughly fifteen guys. So there's really on ten other players "in play" for the Eagles to even pick. 

Thank you.

In the 2018 NFL draft, there were 16 Pro Bowlers. 8 Went in RD1. Another 3 went before the Goedert pick. So we had no shot at 11/16 of them.  Of the 5 remaining, only DJ Chark and Philip Lindsay made any sense for us (Orlando Brown, Mark Andrews, Michael Dickson)

23 minutes ago, greend said:

Sorry to tell you but w/o Sanders we don't make the playoff boom.................................impact!!!!!!

You're expecting reason from an unreasonable person ...... 

26 minutes ago, greend said:

Sorry to tell you but w/o Sanders we don't make the playoff boom.................................impact!!!!!!

His beloved Saints have Kamara on the list with his 1,500 yards per season.  Frankly,   I will be surprised if Sanders doesn’t do better each year.  Last year he was 175 shy of that with Howard as the starter.  

1 hour ago, PrinceKelby said:

Ok, yet you're pissing and moaning about "not having one impact player under 25" due to some random list someone made.

Now you admit there is probably one we have.

Did many teams on his list have multiple multiple players?

 

That's not even one for each team in the top 25 and there certainly are impact players under 25 on every team in the league.

 

Newsflash: Most top impact players in the league are not under the age of 25. There just aren't many guys pushing the "impact meter" much in their first contract.

I'm not saying they can't draft better, but it's certainly not as terrible as you'd like to make it out to be in your misguided search for your perfection.

 

At least I search for it instead of arguing how great everything is.

36 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

You're expecting reason from an unreasonable person ...... 

Sure, unreasonable to expect better.  So, to clarify, you think it's unreasonable to expect better drafting than what Howie has done?  Enjoy your mediocrity.

49 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Jeff Stoutland is a treasure.

Love it.  Wish JR was doing the interview instead of Duffy.  Watch Sanders on that second version.  Checks the gaps and cuts into the one that is going to give him The most yardage. Smart football.  Also, note that the LT is Dillard then. Did as well as Peters did.  I really am looking forward to Stout with Driscoll.  Kid understands how to maximize what he has. Very smart.  I could see Stout turning him into a C.  

Technique and zone blocking skills are hard to beat.   Go watch some film on Odessa Permian from 1989.  They had 170-180 pound linemen but there zone blocking freed up their wing T RBs. 

I would love to see JP work with Tega and the other tackles on their punch.  He has the best punch I have ever seen from an OL. Quick first step, mirror, punch, mirror, punch. It’s a clinic.

I will also point out that the NFCE has a G on each team that is a top G in the NFL. 

1 hour ago, hputenis said:

You should probably change that diet.  Too many legumes and nuts can cause early menopause.  

This is a feeble attempt at an insult, and a sorry effort to reign supreme as  4for4's lap dog.  I'm not sure you can do better, but give it a try.  I'm looking forward to seeing what you can muster up.  

1 hour ago, Saltpeter said:

Jeff Stoutland is a treasure.

This broke up my work day nicely.  

22 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

At least I search for it instead of arguing how great everything is.

You search for reasons to complain and try to twist random things into a defense for your p.o.v.

56 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I've been thinking about this overnight, and I'm still bothered about the argument that the Eagles should have at least one player in the list of Top 25 players in the league under the age of twenty five. If you're picking 14th, 32nd, and 25th, there are going to be 68 players (discounting the trade down for Goedert and the trade up for Dillard) you never even had a shot at. So think about this for a moment. Of those Top 25 players, how many should come from that group of players you never had a shot at? I would suggest about fifteen. Something like that anyway. Guys like Kyler Murray (and why would the Eagles want him anyway, but that's beside the point), Nick Bosa, Saquon Barkley, Christian McCaffrey, Patrick Mahomes. Roughly fifteen guys. So there's really only ten other players "in play" for the Eagles to even pick. 

Ten players. Thirty two teams. The odds are that you won't pick one of those ten players who you actually had a chance at. That's just the math of it.

Okay, if you want to argue that the Eagles don't have enough of the Top 200 players under the age of 25, okay, fine, have at it. That might be an argument. Since there are thirty two teams in the league, any team should get about 3% of the talent. Roughly that. So if you want to say the Eagles should have about six of the top 200, okay. I'll buy that. They might only have three (Goedert, Sanders, and yes, Barnett). 

6 of the Top 200 is a fair argument (although for the reason I listed earlier about the top talent not being available, I think it should probably be closer to about four for a team picking toward the end of the order). On the other hand, 1 of the Top 25 is not a good argument. I actually think it's a terrible argument.

Furthermore, the Eagles used a second (and a first, but let's use that to offset the first they got for Bradford) on Wentz, a third on Jernigan, and a third on Darby. You can try to minimize Jernigan and Darby all you want, but those guys contributed to a Super Bowl. There was value there, even if they didn't wind up a year or two later with someone on someone's Top Player list. 

No argument here. In the long run I like Sanders over Elliott or Kamara.  I like any OL that Stout coaches.  I love the Eagles free agent and ability to pickoff other teams PSs. Ward had a 70% catch rate on targets. Scott was 92%. That says something about how Carson got better as the year went on but it also says something about those two as well.  We are doing fine with youth. 

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

How would you rate the last 3 drafts in terms of below average/above average/ average.  I think that's where we can have a discussion.  

2017 - Average but probably just barely.  Maybe if Barnett doesn't produce the grade goes down but he's a starter.  If Jones suddenly becomes a player, it moves it to above average. 

2018 - Above Average - 

2019 - Big Incomplete - JJAW looks to be a bad pick. Thorson was a bad pick. Shareef Miller added nothing.  So below average for now.  

 

2019 Five players.  Miller couldn’t break the lineup last year. Needed to strengthen and develop more moves. Anyone expect a fourth almost fifth rounder to start?  Dillard, starting LT, Sanders, almost ROY level starting RB. I think we did okay in that draft. Who knows what 2020 holds in store for JJAW.  Substitute Thorson for T J Edwards and recall a year of Howard in the sixth and Hassan Ridgeway in the seventh and I would call 2019 above average.  BTW, I had draftable scores on Herbig and Opeta.  I wonder if they have helped Herbig with his eating habits and workouts.  I called him a slug but that’s not completely accurate. More like a dancing bear.  Anyway, we also got a year of Herbig as the active back up C.  

1 hour ago, Saltpeter said:

Jeff Stoutland is a treasure.

Amen.

Worth commenting on how well Isaac executes here. Just beautiful. 

I don't know what the Eagles call this last blocking scheme. I've always called it the power.

4 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Just ignorant.  Wanting one impact player in 3 years is not synonymous with wanting all picks on that list no matter where we pick them.

I’m not sure even Sproles and Pumphrey are short enough to walk under that bar you set.  

 

So, Sanders wasn't an impact player, then? 

13 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

No argument here. In the long run I like Sanders over Elliott or Kamara.  I like any OL that Stout coaches.  I love the Eagles free agent and ability to pickoff other teams PSs. Ward had a 70% catch rate on targets. Scott was 92%. That says something about how Carson got better as the year went on but it also says something about those two as well.  We are doing fine with youth. 

Ward’s average depth of target (aDot) was 6.8 yards (for comparison’s sake Agholor’s catch rate was 55.7 percent with an aDot of 11.6). Considering the coverages he faced, it would be difficult to have a lower catch percentage without having shovels for hands. 

14 minutes ago, greend said:

You search for reasons to complain and try to twist random things into a defense for your p.o.v.

Of course he does.  He even admits it.  E45 loves to be a contrarian and push an argument. Helps us gets us through the dull period. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Ward’s average depth of target (aDot) was 6.8 yards (for comparison’s sake Agholor’s catch rate was 55.7 percent with an aDot of 11.6). Considering the coverages he faced, it would be difficult to have a lower catch percentage without having shovels for hands. 

Yet both he and Agholor had an average YPC of 9.3.  Agnolor was always a "yeah me” guy in his celebrations. Check out clips of Ward and Scott, especially Ward. Very much a yeah team attitude from both.  First in to congratulate others.  Thanking the OL. It was infectious.  Need some of that.  Chris,Long brought that to the D and so does BG.  It is why I’m critical of Jenkins as a leader. Wasn’t there with him. 

56 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

At least I search for it instead of arguing how great everything is.

No, you expect YOUR perfection to be everyone else's perfection, which is absolutely insane.

Please show me anywhere where I've posted how great everything is?

 

When you say you post to get a rise out of people, but can't take that rise that points out your ridiculousness, maybe you should take some time for some self reflection.

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Yet both he and Agholor had an average YPC of 9.3.  Agnolor was always a "yeah me” guy in his celebrations. Check out clips of Ward and Scott, especially Ward. Very much a yeah team attitude from both.  First in to congratulate others.  Thanking the OL. It was infectious.  Need some of that.  Chris,Long brought that to the D and so does BG.  It is why I’m critical of Jenkins as a leader. Wasn’t there with him. 

A 9.3 YPC is a bad defense for a WR, considering that’s even a little inflated due to a blown coverage against Dallas. 

The bottom line is Greg Ward shouldn’t be used as any kind evidence one support of our quality of youth.