https://weeklyspiral.com/2021/10/18/3-4-defense/

This is what I have been thinking about leading up to this draft. 4-3 looks to compared to 3-4. Kind of simplified and got more specific in concentrated on 4-3 Under and 4-3 Over. Figured out draft decisions would and did tell us plenty about what Gannon is looking for.

48 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

https://weeklyspiral.com/2021/10/04/4-3-under/

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1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

No but I have always valued getting your guys more then waiting and settling.

Clearly we were extremely high on Davis and wanted to make sure we got him in ok with that feel much better about that then sitting and just picking whoever is available no guarantee we would have even took Hamilton if he was sitting there for us to take no clue how we valued him 

So you know, I am not upset with what we ended up doing. I was just contemplating what might have happened if we stood Pat. Joe says Houston could have taken Hamilton if we did not trade. I feel if they wanted him that badly, they would have stood pat and picked him. Clearly they wanted O-Line help at that spot IMO.... But your statement of how much we valued him cannot be ignored as we seem to never take a safety in round 1. Still, that back 7 would have been the best we have had in a long time..... Hard to pass against those players. Addin all of the LB's we picked up and it would be impressive. Still would need a NT, so not sure how that gets fixed.... At least not this year....

3 hours ago, stine said:

Looking back at the draft, we gave up a bunch of later round picks to move up two spots. Now, imagine if we decided to stay put. IF Baltimore decides to take Davis, we end up with the best safety in the draft. That would make our back 7 one of the best in football. If Baltimore decides to draft Hamilton, we still get Davis and have all of those picks to acquire more players. It is a win win situation.

I know we wanted CB Woolen who Seattle snagged right before our pick

3 hours ago, stine said:

If that is the case, we trade back and draft Wyatt. Not a huge step back from Davis. He is not as good against the run, but much better against the pass.

Well,you know,in college anyone who can play gets a chance to play. So they had a third down guy in Georgia. Maybe he was good at that and nothing else. But he got a scholarship to play,so you play as many kids as you can. Doesn't mean Davis can't DO IT. it means he wasn't given the opportunity. SO apparently the staff saw a top run blocker with pass pro skills that were untapped by the Staff at Georgia. His combine numbers were off the charts for a kid his size,so I understand the move up

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The biggest rumor going into the draft was we were trading up for Davis

HAHA no,the rumors are we were trading up for(pick your guy). Saw Hamilton,(pick your top WR),2 top CB's also "rumored" so that statement isnt accurate

3 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I still believe we will be a multiple front D see 43 looks and 34 looks 

Me too, maybe some 52 tossed in. I like that we can throw opponents different looks. Find their strength and alter your defense accordingly. I also expect to see more blitz packages than last year

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

This is what I have been thinking about leading up to this draft. 4-3 looks to compared to 3-4. Kind of simplified and got more specific in concentrated on 4-3 Under and 4-3 Over. Figured out draft decisions would and did tell us plenty about what Gannon is looking for.

But Gannon has no experience, and he's going to be poached next year because he has no experience LOL

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

HAHA no,the rumors are we were trading up for(pick your guy). Saw Hamilton,(pick your top WR),2 top CB's also "rumored" so that statement isnt accurate

I looked around after we made the pick. Saw four different sites talking about us moving up for Davis. It was the main bead on what we would do.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

But Gannon has no experience, and he's going to be poached next year because he has no experience LOL

He’s entering his second year as a DC. He was a finalist for two HC jobs this last season.

Thought digging into these scheme differences would clear up the choices we made.

36 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He’s entering his second year as a DC. He was a finalist for two HC jobs this last season.

His future will be defined by what he does this season. If he stinks up the joint, I doubt anyone will even look his way.......

HR didn't show us his draft chart like arguably senile jerruh

3 hours ago, stine said:

So you know, I am not upset with what we ended up doing. I was just contemplating what might have happened if we stood Pat. Joe says Houston could have taken Hamilton if we did not trade. I feel if they wanted him that badly, they would have stood pat and picked him. Clearly they wanted O-Line help at that spot IMO.... But your statement of how much we valued him cannot be ignored as we seem to never take a safety in round 1. Still, that back 7 would have been the best we have had in a long time..... Hard to pass against those players. Addin all of the LB's we picked up and it would be impressive. Still would need a NT, so not sure how that gets fixed.... At least not this year....

Stine...  Houston could have taken either Davis or Hamilton.  The Eagles needed to move up to take one of the two.   

It's not that Houston valued one of those two more than getting the extra picks... it's that if they don't have a trade offer and are forced to select a player,  they could have easily selected Davis or Hamilton. 

3 hours ago, stine said:

So you know, I am not upset with what we ended up doing. I was just contemplating what might have happened if we stood Pat. Joe says Houston could have taken Hamilton if we did not trade. I feel if they wanted him that badly, they would have stood pat and picked him. Clearly they wanted O-Line help at that spot IMO.... But your statement of how much we valued him cannot be ignored as we seem to never take a safety in round 1. Still, that back 7 would have been the best we have had in a long time..... Hard to pass against those players. Addin all of the LB's we picked up and it would be impressive. Still would need a NT, so not sure how that gets fixed.... At least not this year....

The Eagles selected the center in round 2 ....   do you think they might have moved back 2 spots or 10 spots if they were offered three 4th round picks?    According to what you are saying it's a no.   I would think they would have taken the trade if it was offered. 

Flip it to Houston.... at the time of the trade, did you think the Eagles gave up a little much just to move up 2 spots?   I did.  So that tells me Houston had to be really persuaded to trade back 2 spots.  I'm sure that if they had OL in mind, they sure didn't think the Eagles were going that way.    Sure does seem like Houston had to be persuaded to give up their player( s) of preference there.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

The Eagles selected the center in round 2 ....   do you think they might have moved back 2 spots or 10 spots if they were offered three 4th round picks?    According to what you are saying it's a no.   I would think they would have taken the trade if it was offered. 

Flip it to Houston.... at the time of the trade, did you think the Eagles gave up a little much just to move up 2 spots?   I did.  So that tells me Houston had to be really persuaded to trade back 2 spots.  I'm sure that if they had OL in mind, they sure didn't think the Eagles were going that way.    Sure does seem like Houston had to be persuaded to give up their player( s) of preference there.

If you say so. I really have no idea what they were thinking. I am glad you knew this. My mind is at ease now....

17 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

HR didn't show us his draft chart like arguably senile jerruh

LOL, Dallas really screwed up their roster. One thing HR does well is the CAP. Dallas on the other hand.......

   As long as Jerry is in charge we should be fine. His only saving grace was Jimmy Johnson. Once he left, so did the Dallas hold on the NFC....

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He’s entering his second year as a DC. He was a finalist for two HC jobs this last season.

How do we know he was a " finalist"  ?

6 minutes ago, stine said:

If you say so. I really have no idea what they were thinking. I am glad you knew this. My mind is at ease now....

I mean my logic is as good as your if not better..  when you see something where you think one team gives up a little much?     Which every comment out there thought the Eagles did. 

6 minutes ago, stine said:

LOL, Dallas really screwed up their roster. One thing HR does well is the CAP. Dallas on the other hand.......

   As long as Jerry is in charge we should be fine. His only saving grace was Jimmy Johnson. Once he left, so did the Dallas hold on the NFC....

Idk.. according to Ham Dallas did it right by waiting to tag Dak and then give him the much bigger deal 2 years later.    

That looming $49 mil cap hit and all those big money free agency spending might show another story though. 

Wait until Parsons gets his record breaking deal soon....probably after a hold out, because you know Dallas plays it smart, they don't get deals done early to save a little $

9 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I mean my logic is as good as your if not better..  when you see something where you think one team gives up a little much?     Which every comment out there thought the Eagles did. 

Where did I say I thought the Eagles gave up too much? I was just pondering what might have happened had they stayed put was all. Look, Teams like Baltimore stay put all the time and let the teams in front of them screw up. Allot of times those teams do just that and Baltimore reaps the benefits. If someone is not there, they either take BPA or try and trade back, but rarely do you see them trade up. It happens to these teams. It is just a extreme rare occurance it does.

I understand that the Eagles were not in their situation, but it can also be said that the Eagles had so many holes to fill, they could have easily stayed put and just took the BPA. Maybe what they did was the right thing. I am not complaining. I just wanted to see what would have happened should they have not made the trade. Dean fell to them in round 3. That is what I am talking about....

14 minutes ago, stine said:

Where did I say I thought the Eagles gave up too much? I was just pondering what might have happened had they stayed put was all. Look, Teams like Baltimore stay put all the time and let the teams in front of them screw up. Allot of times those teams do just that and Baltimore reaps the benefits. If someone is not there, they either take BPA or try and trade back, but rarely do you see them trade up. It happens to these teams. It is just a extreme rare occurance it does.

Everyone draft night...media and everyone else thought that three picks was a lot to move up 2 spots.    That was what Houston had as the offer.   

They would have had to want Davis or Hamilton more than the OL and those picks.      Without that offer there is a good chance they would have taken either Davis or Hamilton.  

15 minutes ago, stine said:

I understand that the Eagles were not in their situation, but it can also be said that the Eagles had so many holes to fill, they could have easily stayed put and just took the BPA. Maybe what they did was the right thing. I am not complaining. I just wanted to see what would have happened should they have not made the trade. Dean fell to them in round 3. That is what I am talking about....

Ok... so who do you take at 15 if Davis and Hamilton go before the Eagles?   Do you take that OL... or someone else?    

Like I said there are always plenty more scenarios of what you didn't do, compared to only the one of what you actually did. 

Let's say the Eagles keep the 4th round picks and take the two CBs and Strong with the 4th round picks?     At that point do we look at it differently?   Because then we say " the holes were filled or the needs were addressed " because it was done with draft picks.  When it's UDFA, it doesn't count even though a lot of those players might be " graded " higher than the guys who were drafted day 3.    It is what it is.

For me..Mr... they draft Hamilton...and people would still complain about the other safety spot.  It's never good enough.