3 hours ago, mjkline1958 said:

Needing so much I just don't believe giving up picks to move up is the right move this draft and I've already stated my view of Fields. Sure, grab a QB later and a udfa, maybe grab a FA cheap or in a trade - why I wanted Wentz to Bears, get Foles and some picks. Who's to say a later rd QB couldn't give Hurts a run for his job? Or that Hurts will or won't improve? Thanks to our great contracts guy, we won't be doing a lot in FA, and we need starters at a lot of positions.

It's also why trading for a player made no sense... you get a contract back in return.  $4 mil for Foles.  I guess you could give him a raise and spread out the 4 mil with a signing bonus.... or you could draft a rookie cheap (which they believe is great value, see last year's 2nd round pick)    But I don't think they trade up for one either, just that they may take one at 6.

2 hours ago, Senhorcook said:

I don’t watch much college football other than Boise State and BYU because they have become a great rivalry here. Zach Wilson has talent and he MIGHT turn out to be great, but he MUST learn to play SMART or he will not be available for it to matter. And the competition he played against in 2020 plain and simply SUCKED! He had an eternity to scout the field on almost every play. There will be a MAJOR adjustment for him with the speed of defenses, mark my word.

Kyle Pitts, TE from Florida....holy smokes he is impressive! I mean wow! I pick him if he is available at 6 no second thoughts. He is the best player I’ve seen on highlight clips from potential first round picks....not named Lawrence. Pitts impresses!

Sen, this Pitts kid.  Transferred his junior year of HS.  I watched the game vs D'Andre Swift's team (Swift was a senior at St. Joe Prep)  Pitts was TE on O and left DE on D.  He stands out do to his height.  But he was looking a little skinny then.   He had that power forward basketball player type game on offense.  He has matured for sure over the years filling out, very exciting times.  

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hurts stats vs "golden boy" Wentz first 4 games is not that different, so once again I disagree. first for Wentz and a big cap hit when he sucked. Hurts round 2,similar stats, and arguably Wentz had a better team his first 4 starts no?????. So unless we get Lawernce, taking a QB first is beyond stupid

So why are you ruling it out then.... how many times over the years have you thought the Eagles pick was exactly that...stupid?   The way the Eagles value QB and linemen... you think they go elsewhere with a pick as high as 6?   Knowing the Eagles... (and we go through this every year)... here are your scenarios...

1.  Stay at 6   .... QB or the OL from Oregon  ( would be guaranteed a DL here if one was rated close to 6)
2. Trade back.... then get either of these 3 positions they value
3. Trade back and get an offensive weapon or a CB.  

Small chance they trade up for a QB, but that would be PR nightmare in the locker room    Again though, don't take it as what I think is best, just going off of their history.  We go through this every year, get enamored with the college players themselves, and forget the team's history and way they think of the value for round one picks, especially early round 1.  

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah, let's ignore the fact we had a much better more complete team in 2017 than we did in 2020(going downhill since 2017). Wonder what Hurts would do/have done if he was our rook QB in 2017. My guess is, with the team we had assembled, he would have won the same amount of games as Wentz. We have a round 2 QB putting up the same stats as Wentz's first 4, buit Wentz is a hero, Hurts is "mediocre"(despite the same stats as Wentz with a crappier team) only because we gave up the farm to get him.  Philly needs to make a statue of him and send it in good faith to the Colts

Wentz was a rookie in 2016 ... Matthews, Huff and Agholor were he WRs   His first 4 games he threw for 7 TDs and had 1 INT.     The Eagles scored 115 points in those 4 games.  Won 3 of them.     What are you comparing from Hurts that looks like that?   

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah, let's ignore the fact we had a much better more complete team in 2017 than we did in 2020(going downhill since 2017). Wonder what Hurts would do/have done if he was our rook QB in 2017. My guess is, with the team we had assembled, he would have won the same amount of games as Wentz. We have a round 2 QB putting up the same stats as Wentz's first 4, buit Wentz is a hero, Hurts is "mediocre"(despite the same stats as Wentz with a crappier team) only because we gave up the farm to get him.  Philly needs to make a statue of him and send it in good faith to the Colts

Wentz first 4 games.... 2016  ... after missing the preseason and becoming the starter like a week before the first game after the Bradford trade

91-135 ... 67.4%    7 TDs  1 pick   3-1 record  ... 115 points scored

Hurts first 4 starts

69 -133 ... 51.8%  ... 5 TDs  ... 3 picks ... 1-3 record  ...  78 points scored

Just curious to where you are coming from with this one????  

 

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hurts stats vs "golden boy" Wentz first 4 games is not that different, so once again I disagree. first for Wentz and a big cap hit when he sucked. Hurts round 2,similar stats, and arguably Wentz had a better team his first 4 starts no?????. So unless we get Lawernce, taking a QB first is beyond stupid

I don't believe BG wants them to go QB first. His point is what he "foresees" they will do. 

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I think it would be great comedy.   Where it's unpopular would be the locker room.  But guaranteed, just like everyone on here trying to find stuff on Hurts (he was great in junior high, he once helped an old lady cross the street, he has video game night at his house for team bonding ... he holds the state fair record for knocking down milk crates in the softball toss)  once the new guy gets drafted .... " dude check out this film on new guy, he's a steal at 6, at first I wasn't happy, but I read he once hit 43 shots in a row in a beer pong tournament, you can't pass up that accuracy, Siri nailed this pick!"  

11 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I think it’s just common knowledge honestly Eagles are going to look into QBs we don’t have a guy right now it’s that simple. 
 

We act like we have some massive investment in Hurts we don’t. On top of that Hurts didn’t play that great in his games. He had some good mobility but once teams figured that out he was a meh player. 
 

Now again the question becomes how do the Eagles view hurts and project his growth vs the possible available QBs in the draft. 
 

It might not be the popular but QB is a high probability for us at 6. Just fits the Eagles and the way they do things.

 I am not saying you are right or wrong BG. We just need so many players it really doesn't matter at this point. No team improved their previous year's record with 30+ Mil Dead cap. We have no building blocks to speak of if you really look at this roster. Cox, Graham, Kelce, Brooks and Long most likely are gone in 3 years. So who is left? Sanders who gets hurt all the time. Mailata? This team will be picking in the top 10 next year. IF Wentz recovers from his slump we will have an additional #1 next year. So why not see what Hurts can do? Maybe they feel Hurts is not the answer and draft a QB @ 6. Or maybe they roll the dice and wait. Whatever happens, we need to fill in allot of holes. Also we have to draft players to take over for the few stars we have left before they retire. This team may be the worse we have had in 20 years...

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I think it would be great comedy.   Where it's unpopular would be the locker room.  But guaranteed, just like everyone on here trying to find stuff on Hurts (he was great in junior high, he once helped an old lady cross the street, he has video game night at his house for team bonding ... he holds the state fair record for knocking down milk crates in the softball toss)  once the new guy gets drafted .... " dude check out this film on new guy, he's a steal at 6, at first I wasn't happy, but I read he once hit 43 shots in a row in a beer pong tournament, you can't pass up that accuracy, Siri nailed this pick!"  

 

6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Wentz first 4 games.... 2016  ... after missing the preseason and becoming the starter like a week before the first game after the Bradford trade

91-135 ... 67.4%    7 TDs  1 pick   3-1 record  ... 115 points scored

Hurts first 4 starts

69 -133 ... 51.8%  ... 5 TDs  ... 3 picks ... 1-3 record  ...  78 points scored

Just curious to where you are coming from with this one????  

 

  Let's compare:

Wentz 2020 Stats-

3-8-1 - 57.4% comp, 2620 yards, 16 TD, 15 INT, QBR - 49.6

Hurts

1-3 - 52% comp, 1061 Yards, 6 TD, 4 INT, QBR 41

 Maybe Hurts does better with a TC and new coaching staff. Maybe not. I doubt he does worse lol

3 minutes ago, Don Corleone said:

 

Hi DC!  Missed your insights..... Hope all is well.

8 minutes ago, stine said:

  Let's compare:

Wentz 2020 Stats-

3-8-1 - 57.4% comp, 2620 yards, 16 TD, 15 INT, QBR - 49.6

Hurts

1-3 - 52% comp, 1061 Yards, 6 TD, 4 INT, QBR 41

 Maybe Hurts does better with a TC and new coaching staff. Maybe not. I doubt he does worse lol

If you want to take this one step further people are dogging Wentz because he reportedly wanted out of philly because he got benched in favor of his backup but Hurts did the same thing at Alabama and not a peep out of those same people

11 minutes ago, stine said:

Hi DC!  Missed your insights..... Hope all is well.

Things are pretty good, no real complaints. Thank you. How are things with you?

1 minute ago, Don Corleone said:

Things are pretty good, no real complaints. Thank you. How are things with you?

  Just hanging on until I can retire.... Keep hoping the lottery Gods are kind to me  lol....  You come back at a low time for the Eagles. Not allot to be positive about DC.... When is the last time you saw an Eagles team with so much issues?

4 minutes ago, stine said:

  Just hanging on until I can retire.... Keep hoping the lottery Gods are kind to me  lol....  You come back at a low time for the Eagles. Not allot to be positive about DC.... When is the last time you saw an Eagles team with so much issues?

Heard that lol

I'm not really back, I'll post here and there, but it'll be nothing like before.

97/98?

1 minute ago, Don Corleone said:

Heard that lol

I'm not really back, I'll post here and there, but it'll be nothing like before.

97/98?

Good to have you back in some form though bud!

I would love to draft a stud like Parsons, but It would take a miracle to make that happen.... Howie will screw this up. That I have more faith in lol

8 hours ago, joemas6 said:

So why are you ruling it out then.... how many times over the years have you thought the Eagles pick was exactly that...stupid?   The way the Eagles value QB and linemen... you think they go elsewhere with a pick as high as 6?   Knowing the Eagles... (and we go through this every year)... here are your scenarios...

1.  Stay at 6   .... QB or the OL from Oregon  ( would be guaranteed a DL here if one was rated close to 6)
2. Trade back.... then get either of these 3 positions they value
3. Trade back and get an offensive weapon or a CB.  

Small chance they trade up for a QB, but that would be PR nightmare in the locker room    Again though, don't take it as what I think is best, just going off of their history.  We go through this every year, get enamored with the college players themselves, and forget the team's history and way they think of the value for round one picks, especially early round 1.  

History also tells me we have a penchant for finding TE's. One of the few things this team does well. Now you have a shot at a "TE" you may not see for many more years, so I think they can safely pull that trigger and remain "historically accurate" and we even have some of his college coaches in here,so it's not like there are no ties for him coming here

43 minutes ago, Don Corleone said:

Heard that lol

I'm not really back, I'll post here and there, but it'll be nothing like before.

97/98?

Hey Don!!!

8 hours ago, joemas6 said:

So why are you ruling it out then.... how many times over the years have you thought the Eagles pick was exactly that...stupid?

Yeah, I keep forgetting this and that somehow we matured into a team that does things that make sense. My error 🤣

8 hours ago, joemas6 said:

get enamored with the college players themselves, and forget the team's history

The last few, they may have gotten the positions right(such as CB is our biggest need), then they draft someone noboby has heard of, and while at times you can find DITRS that way, they seem to pick the wrong guy at that position of need, thus making it another position of need next year. Did ANYONE have Jjaw on a mock list? ANYONE(maybe Mrs. Wentz did), so although they can identify what they need, which really is the easy part,they fail to plug that hole for any extended time, then off to FA to get other teams rejects we go. Same every year. Clearly this "trend" has been too long. Like Reagor, don't get me wrong,but JJ was the OBVIOUS pick for this team. Sorry to 93, but there will be a QB scramble at the top and I hope we're not that stupid to fall into it. Everyone also keeps forgetting Detroit in this mix. 

8 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Again though, don't take it as what I think is best, just going off of their history.  We go through this every year, get enamored with the college players themselves, and forget the team's history and way they think of the value for round one picks, especially early round 1.  

And that is how we ended up with a roster completely devoid of young talent.  We need to break away from the historical trend of passing on really good overall football players because they didn't play one of the few positions that they value most early and grab a lesser player because they do.  

30 minutes ago, stine said:

I would love to draft a stud like Parsons, but It would take a miracle to make that happen.... Howie will screw this up. That I have more faith in lol

The way the NFl is set up today drafting a defensive player is secondary. 

Look at KC. High powered offense mediocre defense. Don't get me wrong, i love watching good defense but the current rules are set up to penalize the D. 

For example lowering yout head to make contact is a personal foul for the defensive player but how many times do we see it called on a running back? I think i've seen it once since the rule was put in.

1 hour ago, Don Corleone said:

 

Who are you???

 

 

8 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Wentz first 4 games.... 2016  ... after missing the preseason and becoming the starter like a week before the first game after the Bradford trade

91-135 ... 67.4%    7 TDs  1 pick   3-1 record  ... 115 points scored

Hurts first 4 starts

69 -133 ... 51.8%  ... 5 TDs  ... 3 picks ... 1-3 record  ...  78 points scored

Just curious to where you are coming from with this one????  

 

Tell me which team 2016 or 2020 had the better O line. Which team had the better RB's? Which team had the better secondary? Which team had the better TE's? Which teams did they play the first 4 games of 2016? In 2020 Hurts arguable did no worse than Wentz with the same team,so what would Hurts have done with the 2016 team?(Hint,one team on the rise, the other sliding down the hill). We will never know obviously,but because Wentz was a 1 we gave all up for and Hurts is a 2 he is a "hack". IDK how people can make these assumptions(and I will not) after 4 games

I think all this talk about the Eagles taking a QB is just that talk. I think it's being put out there by the organization in the hopes that if there's a team that wants to move up for a QB, it will push a player they like down. Having said that, it's not something that can be completely brushed aside and dismissed, because Howie and Jeff like to think they're the smartest people in the room.

Furthermore, I'm not sold on Hurts and I didn't like the pick when Howie took him. Hurts will likely give the Eagles wins, but I doubt it'll be enough to put them into the playoffs and it'll be just enough to keep them drafting in the middle of the pack.

The entire situation is a clusterF and Howie should have been fired with Doug, instead, Jeff expects him to dig his way out of the hole he originally dug.