EMB Blog: 2021 Regular and Post Season

[NCiggles]

54 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Yep, they'll get dragged in for host liability. They'll have insurance defend them, but they'll be involved. 

The odd thing is....fatality claims are often worth far less than if the person had survived. If they survive and need care for life, it costs far more in terms of settling the lawsuit. 

I mean it depends on a number of things.  I mean catastrophic injuries are significant claims because of the potential lifetime medical expenses. Death claims also have a potentially more limited pain and suffering component although this was terrible if the woman burned to death. There is also probably a punitive damages claim because Rugs was drunk.   The loss of earnings claim is dependent on her past wages.  If she was retired or a student, there may be a very limited claim.   I am not sure if Nevada has a dram shop law that imposes liability on the bar.  I think they may not in which case Ruggs may be the only source for recovery.  

[TorontoEagle]

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I mean it depends on a number of things.  I mean catastrophic injuries are significant claims because of the potential lifetime medical expenses. Death claims also have a potentially more limited pain and suffering component although this was terrible if the woman burned to death. There is also probably a punitive damages claim because Rugs was drunk.   The loss of earnings claim is dependent on her past wages.  If she was retired or a student, there may be a very limited claim.   I am not sure if Nevada has a dram shop law that imposes liability on the bar.  I think they may not in which case Ruggs may be the only source for recovery.  

Wow you're right, I just looked it up and Nevada doesn't allow for host liability unless they were serving a minor. That's wild. 

[bpac55]

39 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

While it's fun to dunk on Howie, I really see no problem in trading 6/7th round picks for lottery tickets. 

I agree that trading 6th/7th round picks for lottery tickets isn't a bad thing.  However, when he's trading and depending on those lottery tickets to fill weak spots we have a problem.  Not only weak spots, but weak spots he either fails to scout the right way or continually ignore in FA or early rounds of the draft.  it's bare minimum investment. 

Investing a 4th round pick in Genard Avery basically made him a roster lock, no matter how he performed.  That pick ended up being the 5th pick in the 4th round.  With the new layout and schedule of the NFL Draft, the top end of the 4th round has become more important because it's the 1st round of the 3rd day.  Teams are able to re-evaluate their boards and might be more willing to trade up if there's a player they want.  I also think drafting ahead of your division rivals is a big advantage.  By trading the 4th for Avery, it put the Eagles behind Dallas and NYG.  Dallas took Jabril Cox (who just tore his ACL), a player I think is going to be a steal in the 4th.  

I know I'm repeating myself here, but I really think Howie is going to say that using the resources of late round draft picks to bring in Josiah Scott and Kary Vincent as well as Ertz for Gowan is enough of an investment for him to ignore addressing CB either in FA or early in the draft.

If the Eagles were just looking for CB4 or CB5 then using late round picks on lottery tickets would be just fine.  I think Howie wants these lottery tickets to be starters.

[TorontoEagle]

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Would you trade a $2 lottery ticket for a $1 lottery ticket?

 

Full disclosure, I am not sure if lottery tickets are even that cheap.  Just saying.  

It's more like pennies and nickels to me. 6th/7th round picks are generally irrelevant, so I have no problem with him giving one up for a rookie. It's not like his contract is expiring this year. The move doesn't set us back, at all. It may not move us forward either. It's a complete nothing move really. Unless of course he somehow turns into something (which I don't really expect). 

[Alphagrand]

6 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

 

Based on team performance Rivera should be much higher on that list; WFT is dreadfully underperforming where they should be.  He's a defensive HC and only HOU, MIA, and DET have allowed more points.  He and Del Rio should be ashamed; if losing Fitzpatrick is the excuse for your season derailing that's some poor coaching.

[BigEFly]

8 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I really hope this moron gets the maximum 20 years. They were apparently at top golf drinking the whole night. So I’m guessing top golf is also likely getting sued big time for allowing them to drink that much and just drive home. 

Actually, under NV’s dram shop law, businesses are absolved of liability for serving alcohol to a person older than 21.  Only dram shop liability or social host liability comes from serving someone under 21.  The bar is not liable.   One should be able to further argue intervening cause in that he made the conscious decision to drive after drinking and further, a direct cause appears to be his speed.  

Never underestimate the Clark County plaintiff’s bar.  Identified as a judicial hellhole in the past by ATRF, Clark County is so scary that the MGM Grand and its insurers paid hundreds of millions settling the Las Vegas shooter case where over a series of days the shooter smuggled arms into the hotel in a golf bag.  The measure of liability is what would a reasonable and prudent hotel done that the MGM didn’t do in that situation. Las Vegas juries are prone to ignore facts and award extremely high verdicts.  

That said, that doesn’t mean that the bar won’t be sued and that the judge will hold off on granting a summary judgment to "encourage” the defendant to contribute to the settlement.  Happens all the time.   If the bar valet parked his vehicle and delivered it to him, visibly intoxicated or with knowledge of his alcohol consumption, the dram shop law may not protect it.  Like I said, creative lawyers can weave within the framework of the law.

Think about this, you NJ residents, the next time you host a get together for an Eagles game.  NJ is where social host liability got its start and a social host can be sued for serving a person alcohol when that person goes out and has an accident while DUI.  

[pallidrone]

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

I agree that trading 6th/7th round picks for lottery tickets isn't a bad thing.  However, when he's trading and depending on those lottery tickets to fill weak spots we have a problem. 

Investing a 4th round pick in Genard Avery basically made him a roster lock, no matter how he performed.  That pick ended up being the 5th pick in the 4th round.  With the new layout and schedule of the NFL Draft, the top end of the 4th round has become more important because it's the 1st round of the 3rd day.  Teams are able to re-evaluate their boards and might be more willing to trade up if there's a player they want.  I also think drafting ahead of your division rivals is a big advantage.  By trading the 4th for Avery, it put the Eagles behind Dallas and NYG.  Dallas took Jabril Cox (who just tore his ACL), a player I think is going to be a steal in the 4th.  

I know I'm repeating myself here, but I really think Howie is going to say that using the resources of late round draft picks to bring in Josiah Scott and Kary Vincent as well as Ertz for Gowan is enough of an investment for him to ignore addressing CB either in FA or early in the draft.

If the Eagles were just looking for CB4 or CB5 then using late round picks on lottery tickets would be just fine.  I think Howie wants these lottery tickets to be starters.

I mean to be fair here that trade was made in 2019 for the 2021 draft. If you are thinking that you are drafting high in the 4th round 2 years later, then you are already setting yourself up for failure.

[TorontoEagle]

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I agree that trading 6th/7th round picks for lottery tickets isn't a bad thing.  However, when he's trading and depending on those lottery tickets to fill weak spots we have a problem. 

Investing a 4th round pick in Genard Avery basically made him a roster lock, no matter how he performed.  That pick ended up being the 5th pick in the 4th round.  With the new layout and schedule of the NFL Draft, the top end of the 4th round has become more important because it's the 1st round of the 3rd day.  Teams are able to re-evaluate their boards and might be more willing to trade up if there's a player they want.  I also think drafting ahead of your division rivals is a big advantage.  By trading the 4th for Avery, it put the Eagles behind Dallas and NYG.  Dallas took Jabril Cox (who just tore his ACL), a player I think is going to be a steal in the 4th.  

I know I'm repeating myself here, but I really think Howie is going to say that using the resources of late round draft picks to bring in Josiah Scott and Kary Vincent as well as Ertz for Gowan is enough of an investment for him to ignore addressing CB either in FA or early in the draft.

If the Eagles were just looking for CB4 or CB5 then using late round picks on lottery tickets would be just fine.  I think Howie wants these lottery tickets to be starters.

Well yeah, I mean I think we all hope they turn into serviceable starters, don't we? Who cares about where they were drafted so long as they work out? I'm not going to get myself worked up over what may happen next draft before it even happens. What if Howie takes Hamilton and Stingley with two of our firsts? You wasted all that time being a nervous nelly for nothing. 

Avery is a different animal, a 4th round pick is considerably more than a lottery ticket. Even 5th rounders have some value. But 6th/7th round picks are complete dart throws at best. There's enough things to complain about with Howie, this just isn't one of them, in my opinion.

[NCiggles]

11 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Wow you're right, I just looked it up and Nevada doesn't allow for host liability unless they were serving a minor. That's wild. 

Who would have thought in a state where casinos and nightlife are big business the legislature wouldn't pass common sense dram shop laws to impose liability on those businesses? 

[RememberTheKoy]

6 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

 

 

Already had a HC fired.  This would be the 2nd one. 

[pallidrone]

6 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

My only hope is that Gannon saw something he loved, begged Howie to get him and Howie went out and did something for his DC. 

Also curious to see if it had to do something mathematically behind the scenes. Cap hits, comp picks, something that were not seeing on the surface(probably giving howie too much credit)

 

They are not projected to get any comp picks.

I think it had more to do with them having 11 draft picks in 2022 and throwing a 6th for a player they might have really liked during the draft was a worthy gamble.

[TorontoEagle]

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Already had a HC fired.  This would be the 2nd one. 

Nope he resigned. 

[bpac55]

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Well yeah, I mean I think we all hope they turn into serviceable starters, don't we? Who cares about where they were drafted so long as they work out? I'm not going to get myself worked up over what may happen next draft before it even happens. What if Howie takes Hamilton and Stingley with two of our firsts? You wasted all that time being a nervous nelly for nothing. 

Avery is a different animal, a 4th round pick is considerably more than a lottery ticket. Even 5th rounders have some value. But 6th/7th round picks are complete dart throws at best. There's enough things to complain about with Howie, this just isn't one of them, in my opinion.

Definitely not being a nervous nelly lol, just looking at Howie Roseman's trends.  Of course we'd love for them to turn in to serviceable starters.  I really liked Kary Vincent at LSU.  However, why bring in yet another NCB when Avonte Maddox is having his best season since his rookie year, you traded for his clone in Josiah Scott and you drafted Zech McPhearson who based on his measurables, is probably suited for NCB in the NFL.  

Now of course there are a few variables at play here.

- Maybe they've had discussions with Maddox and know he isn't coming back.   He also might be more expensive than we think and the Eagles cap situation is not good.  Maybe they should have dangled Maddox out there at the deadline seeing as they have Josiah Scott now too. 

- Kary Vincent played all over at LSU.  Could he be a safety here?

- Has McPhearson shown that he's a capable outside CB?

I'm not complaining about the trade.  Again, I like Kary Vincent.  Just trying to figure out the plan.  They now have 9 CB on the active roster.  Why cut Toth instead of Mac McCain?  Even having 8 CB is absurd. 

[NYEagle]

27 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Wow you're right, I just looked it up and Nevada doesn't allow for host liability unless they were serving a minor. That's wild. 

You think Sin City would allow Casinos to have host liability?

 

Edit: My bad....NCiggles already said this exact thing.....

[LeanMeanGM]

13 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Based on team performance Rivera should be much higher on that list; WFT is dreadfully underperforming where they should be.  He's a defensive HC and only HOU, MIA, and DET have allowed more points.  He and Del Rio should be ashamed; if losing Fitzpatrick is the excuse for your season derailing that's some poor coaching.

He’s the only "feel good” PR they got going for them. They will milk it all out of him before moving on. 

[D-Shiznit]

Who the F would want the WFT job anyways.

I know we tend to have somewhat of a victim complex, but we are a model franchise compared to that tire-fire.

[TorontoEagle]

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Definitely not being a nervous nelly lol, just looking at Howie Roseman's trends.  Of course we'd love for them to turn in to serviceable starters.  I really liked Kary Vincent at LSU.  However, why bring in yet another NCB when Avonte Maddox is having his best season since his rookie year, you traded for his clone in Josiah Scott and you drafted Zech McPhearson who based on his measurables, is probably suited for NCB in the NFL.  

Now of course there are a few variables at play here.

- Maybe they've had discussions with Maddox and know he isn't coming back.   He also might be more expensive than we think and the Eagles cap situation is not good.  Maybe they should have dangled Maddox out there at the deadline seeing as they have Josiah Scott now too. 

- Kary Vincent played all over at LSU.  Could he be a safety here?

- Has McPhearson shown that he's a capable outside CB?

I'm not complaining about the trade.  Again, I like Kary Vincent.  Just trying to figure out the plan.  They now have 9 CB on the active roster.  Why cut Toth instead of Mac McCain?  Even having 8 CB is absurd. 

I would actually think the plan is for Vincent to play more safety than corner. But let's not pretend Maddox is anything special. He's having a good year for sure, but he's injury prone and has had an inconsistent career to say the least. I'd rather load up on young guys to see if any can stick there than to re-sign Maddox. 

As far as Toth, I'd have to imagine Stoutland has some say in that. And I trust him above all others. 

[BigEFly]

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

Yep, they'll get dragged in for host liability. They'll have insurance defend them, but they'll be involved. 

The odd thing is....fatality claims are often worth far less than if the person had survived. If they survive and need care for life, it costs far more in terms of settling the lawsuit. 

True but in this case the pain and suffering of dying by burning to death while trapped in her car can result in a significant pain and suffering award.  I also believe that lost wages can be recovered in the survival action. The likelihood of remittitur from the court or the appellate court in NV is highly unlikely.   Not much shocks their conscience. Add to that punitive damages, which are insurable in NV, and the verdict against Ruggs could be quite high. I suspect, even if his agent arranged an umbrella policy for him, that like mine, it has a punitive damages exclusion. 

[bpac55]

13 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

I mean to be fair here that trade was made in 2019 for the 2021 draft. If you are thinking that you are drafting high in the 4th round 2 years later, then you are already setting yourself up for failure.

I know you can't think like that and they had no idea where the pick would be.  I think 4th round picks still hold serious value.  Had they traded a 6th for Avery then we have no problem.  Howie decided to trade a 4th round pick for a guy who was taken in the 5th round and wasn't performing.  Avery had a decent rookie year but his play did not warrant trading a better pick than his original draft slot.

[TorontoEagle]

1 minute ago, D-Shiznit said:

Who the F would want the WFT job anyways.

I know we tend to have somewhat of a victim complex, but we are a model franchise compared to that tire-fire.

Agreed. Now, if somehow the investigation into them results in Danny Boy being forced to sell.....a new owner there could make the job wayyyyyy more enticing. 

[ManuManu]

The future at CB comes down to what Gannon wants to run. If it’s zone heavy, we probably aren’t spending a high 1 on the player. If we want more man coverage, Stingley is in play and we’ll need a premium investment at the position. 

[TorontoEagle]

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The future at CB comes down to what Gannon wants to run. If it’s zone heavy, we probably aren’t spending a high 1 on the player. If we want more man coverage, Stingley is in play and we’ll need a premium investment at the position. 

I've read it's a deep CB draft. Anybody have other names to keep an eye on? 

[bpac55]

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I would actually think the plan is for Vincent to play more safety than corner. But let's not pretend Maddox is anything special. He's having a good year for sure, but he's injury prone and has had an inconsistent career to say the least. I'd rather load up on young guys to see if any can stick there than to re-sign Maddox. 

As far as Toth, I'd have to imagine Stoutland has some say in that. And I trust him above all others. 

I hope he plays safety.  Wallace has shown nothing.  I think Epps is a serviceable starter.  They need something, anything in the pipeline at safety.  

Maddox has played in over 60% of the snaps this year as the NCB.  His health issues in the past can be partially blamed on Andrew Sendejo.  He's been one of the more reliable and better defenders on the team this year.   On a defense that lacks so much talent, Maddox is one guy who has some.

[Connecticut Eagle]

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

Agreed. Now, if somehow the investigation into them results in Danny Boy being forced to sell.....a new owner there could make the job wayyyyyy more enticing. 

Kinda ridiculous that NYC, Washington, and Chicago have consistently irrelevant football teams despite their markets' attempts to buoy them.

 

[D-Shiznit]

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

Top 10 defense in a decent market making millions and millions of dollars and you'll be in the fraternity for life..

Ya who would want that

Not somebody with other options.