If I'm not mistaken, we can clinch our spot next week if:

- We beat the WFT

- Vikes lose

- Saints lose or SF wins

A week 18 de facto bye-week would be sweet.

So with Saints losing tonight, if we beat the no names and Vikes lose we clinch?

26 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

No. It's one more game. It's the same game with the same rules with the same uniforms against the same teams. There is no logic behind playoff experience having tremendous value. It has no more value than any other game played this season. It's a baseless sports cliche, nothing more. Anyone can point to plenty of examples of teams making the playoffs and it doing nothing for them, and teams coming out of nowhere and getting into the playoffs and beating playoff tested teams.

Better draft picks provide you with a tangible and real benefit. The Eagles are case in point having Jalen Reagor right now instead of CeeDee Lamb.

Bad argument.  Jefferson was available.

There are talented players throughout the first round.  Just need to make good picks.

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

If you told me that draft pick would end up being a starter or good to great player.

But who you take in the draft is a gamble, whether they are a big time prospect or not.  

I'd rather have the playoff game.

The draft pick in itself is an asset. What you do with that asset depends upon the decision makers, but I'll still take the better asset 10 times out of 10 even if it may be blown by foolishness on occasion.

And it could have value in a trade in a variety of ways. Either for a player or trading down for a future draft pick to acquire draft capital in a year with a better QB class. There's so many ways a draft pick has value.

The Eagles haven't beaten a good team all year. 0-6 against teams with winning records. Getting into the playoffs to get trounced by the #2 seed is akin to having sex with a prostitute. It'll feel good in the moment, but once it's over you're gonna be like oh crap that was stupid of me and every time your balls itch worry you got an STD.

1 minute ago, Uscg-green said:

So with Saints losing tonight, if we beat the no names and Vikes lose we clinch?

PAY ATTENTION!!!

1. We win
2. GB wins
3. SF wins or Carolina wins

5 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

If I'm not mistaken, we can clinch our spot next week if:

- We beat the WFT

- Vikes lose

- Saints lose or SF wins

A week 18 de facto bye-week would be sweet.

I think the Saints losing tonight we can clinch even if they win next week as long as we win. I think we just need to win and Vikes lose. It would sure be great for the Dallas game to be not necessary. 

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

The draft pick in itself is an asset. What you do with that asset depends upon the decision makers, but I'll still take the better asset 10 times out of 10 even if it may be blown by foolishness on occasion.

And it could have value in a trade in a variety of ways. Either for a player or trading down for a future draft pick to acquire draft capital in a year with a better QB class. There's so many ways a draft pick has value.

The Eagles haven't beaten a good team all year. 0-6 against teams with winning records. Getting into the playoffs to get trounced by the #2 seed is akin to having sex with a prostitute. It'll feel good in the moment, but once it's over you're gonna be like oh crap that was stupid of me and every time your balls itch worry you got an STD.

You're sleeping with the wrong prostitutes.

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

PAY ATTENTION!!!

Uh not necessary at all. I'm working. Sorry I don't have time to scroll through everyone's previous posts. I asked a simple question. 

11 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Of course they're going to say it's important, it's coach and player speak. But honestly, no disrespect to them, a lot of former coaches and players have some of the dumbest commentary. Jonathan Vilma was a successful LB in the NFL for years, and hearing him on the broadcast, he has no idea wtf he's talking about.

I've asked a lot of people over the years what someone can learn in a playoff game, and the answers are always very similar. Things like "They learn about the atmosphere of a playoff game" or "they learn how to handle tense moments" and "Learn how to coach in front of a raucous crowd." I always say those are things that happen in the regular season anyway, but generally speaking those are all intangible things with no real concrete way to actually measure them.

Like for example, if you have a kid who gets an internship at plumbing business and you ask them when they get home what they learned, they could rattle off things like "I learned how to install a toilet" or "I learned how to cut a pipe without damaging x, y, and z." Actual skills that can be put to use in a tangible way.

Playoff experience gives you nothing tangible. Can I tell you it has zero value? I guess not. The question is though, does it have more value than a better draft pick does. And I don't think anyone can make that case.

If there is value to be gained from the Eagles making the playoffs. To me it has nothing to do with what the Eagles themselves will have gained from playing in the game. It will be someone like Rodgers or Wilson or Watson going "Hey man, the Eagles made the playoffs, they're looking pretty good, I want to play there, they look like they're a QB away from doing some great things."

If you made that argument, that's one I could give you.

 

It's indefensible for a fans to try to root for this team to miss the playoffs when there isn't a top pick they are going to get if they miss the playoffs.  This isn't last year.  There is value in expierence, there is value in building a winning culture.  There was expierence to Josh Allen in his first playoff game that was a loss. B there was expierence to be gained by that first Andy Reid playoff team that got blown out by the Giants in the second round.  There was expierence to be gained by Peyton Manning getting booted by the Patriots in the playoffs until he could finally beat them.  There is value in finding out who on your roster is going to step up in games once the playoffs come around. 

 

There is no benefit to fans for a their team to miss the playoffs when they are riding a 5-2 run where they have turned their season around. 

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Bad argument.  Jefferson was available.

There are talented players throughout the first round.  Just need to make good picks.

It's not a bad argument. The higher the pick, the more good players available, which means the less chance you draft a bust. Sure, they could've taken Jefferson, but if they missed the playoffs that year, they wouldn't have Reagor right now, they'd have Lamb. Good players could be had anywhere, but you maximize the chances you actually draft one of them when you have a larger pool of talent to pick from.

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The draft pick in itself is an asset. What you do with that asset depends upon the decision makers, but I'll still take the better asset 10 times out of 10 even if it may be blown by foolishness on occasion.

And it could have value in a trade in a variety of ways. Either for a player or trading down for a future draft pick to acquire draft capital in a year with a better QB class. There's so many ways a draft pick has value.

The Eagles haven't beaten a good team all year. 0-6 against teams with winning records. Getting into the playoffs to get trounced by the #2 seed is akin to having sex with a prostitute. It'll feel good in the moment, but once it's over you're gonna be like oh crap that was stupid of me and every time your balls itch worry you got an STD.

I’ll give you this your analogies are something else. Good Lord, plumbing and prostitutes in 5 min. Lol. 

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

It's indefensible for a fans to try to root for this team to miss the playoffs when there isn't a top pick they are going to get if they miss the playoffs.  This isn't last year.  There is value in expierence, there is value in building a winning culture.  There was expierence to Josh Allen in his first playoff game that was a loss. B there was expierence to be gained by that first Andy Reid playoff team that got blown out by the Giants in the second round.  There was expierence to be gained by Peyton Manning getting booted by the Patriots in the playoffs until he could finally beat them.  There is value in finding out who on your roster is going to step up in games once the playoffs come around. 

 

There is no benefit to fans for a their team to miss the playoffs when they are riding a 5-2 run where they have turned their season around. 

We shall see. If a player that ends up being a star gets taken a few picks before the Eagles pick or a team trades for Wilson/Rodgers/Watson who had the edge because their pick was a few picks better, or a team a few picks ahead of us trades down with say Houston who gives up their 2023 1st to jump up to draft a QB, I don't think you'll care much about the playoff game then, unless the Eagles go on some improbable SB run.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

It's not a bad argument. The higher the pick, the more good players available, which means the less chance you draft a bust. Sure, they could've taken Jefferson, but if they missed the playoffs that year, they wouldn't have Reagor right now, they'd have Lamb. Good players could be had anywhere, but you maximize the chances you actually draft one of them when you have a larger pool of talent to pick from.

So let’s tank every year? Next year we likely won’t be a contender, or the year after , etc… 

3 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

I’ll give you this your analogies are something else. Good Lord, plumbing and prostitutes in 5 min. Lol. 

😈

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

It's not a bad argument. The higher the pick, the more good players available, which means the less chance you draft a bust. Sure, they could've taken Jefferson, but if they missed the playoffs that year, they wouldn't have Reagor right now, they'd have Lamb. Good players could be had anywhere, but you maximize the chances you actually draft one of them when you have a larger pool of talent to pick from.

So what's your end game?  Go 6-11 for 5 years and then become a juggernaut?

Let's ask Detroit, Jacksonville, the Raiders, Jets, Giants, Cleveland, Denver how that plan works out.  Picking early isn't the sole answer.

Also, you can't ask players who've been at this since April to tank games to move up a few slots in the draft.

2 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

So let’s tank every year? Next year we likely won’t be a contender, or the year after , etc… 

Tank = try not to win. I want them to try to win, I just think it's better if they lose.

But, if that's what you're saying, yeah. I'd rather the Eagles miss the playoffs and get the better pick every single year that they aren't a legit contender, honestly.

3 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Jags are pathetic.

Maybe so, but I have the feeling that there are some Eagles fans who are envious of the way they do things. They lose games almost weekly, but hey, they sure know how to position themselves nicely for the draft to set their annual rebuild in motion.

7 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

So what's your end game?  Go 6-11 for 5 years and then become a juggernaut?

Let's ask Detroit, Jacksonville, the Raiders, Jets, Giants, Cleveland, Denver how that plan works out.  Picking early isn't the sole answer.

Also, you can't ask players who've been at this since April to tank games to move up a few slots in the draft.

The end game is to be positioned well to get a star franchise QB. Draft picks are always going to be the way to make that happen. Whether it's drafting one or trading draft picks for one. I don't believe the Eagles will be a serious contender until they get their hands on one. Once you get that QB, everything else will fall into place, and I will no longer care as much about this. If the Eagles get an elite franchise QB, better players will want to come here in free agency, so it'll make Howie's job easier. It'll erase any doubts on Sirianni one way or another. He'll either finally be able to unleash his full vision of his offense, or if time proves he isn't the guy you'll have the hottest coaching candidates beating down the door to come to Philly and coach that QB.

So that's my end game. And I want even the slightest edge to get that QB. Whether it's trading for one of the veterans who could be on the trade market or trading down to get future draft capital to load up for future QB classes. Whatever it is.

If people don't have the patience for that kind of long-term building, I understand. But the SB drought is over. I'm currently satisfied and willing to wait to get that QB and build something special where the Eagles can be yearly contenders.

Yes Miami beating the Saints helps our playoff chances (Sorry Draft Fanatics, the Draft isn't till April, it's about Playoffs now)  as they are on contention with us and we have the direct tiebreaker.   San Fran is tied with us but have Hou (Who's playing well right now) next.    The Birds have to take care of business.   Beat Washington and I'm sure we clinch.  Aaron isn't losing to the Vikes twice.   

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The end game is to be positioned well to get a star franchise QB. Draft picks are always going to be the way to make that happen. Whether it's drafting one or trading draft picks for one. I don't believe the Eagles will be a serious contender until they get their hands on one. Once you get that QB, everything else will fall into place, and I will no longer care as much about this. If the Eagles get an elite franchise QB, better players will want to come here in free agency, so it'll make Howie's job easier. It'll erase any doubts on Sirianni one way or another. He'll either finally be able to unleash his full vision of his offense, or if time proves he isn't the guy you'll have the hottest coaching candidates beating down the door to come to Philly and coach that QB.

So that's my end game. And I want even the slightest edge to get that QB. Whether it's trading for one of the veterans who could be on the trade market or trading down to get future draft capital to load up for future QB classes. Whatever it is.

If people don't have the patience for that kind of long-term building, I understand. But the SB drought is over. I'm currently satisfied and willing to wait to get that QB and build something special where the Eagles can be yearly contenders.

If we sucked, like last year, then I would rather lose out.  Movement within the single digits matters.

But if the playoffs are within reach, the marginal value between 15-20 isn't worth giving up on the opportunity to play another game.

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

If we sucked, like last year, then I would rather lose out.  Movement within the single digits matters.

But if the playoffs are within reach, the marginal value between 15-20 isn't worth giving up on the opportunity to play another game.

What's it take to trade from 20 to 15? a 3rd round pick?

Yeah, give me playoffs over that any day

 Wait, so the Dolphins sacked a young, inexperienced QB 8 times, and put pressure on him all game from different looks?   Doesn’t their DC know he’s supposed to wait for the playoffs to do that?  Blitzing, lol, that’s 80’s football. 

This team has a better chance of making a deep playoff run than they do Howie striking gold in the draft in the mid-late teens. And that’s pretty much where all of their picks are going to end up depending on how deep Indy goes. So yeah, I’ll root for playoff football. 

2 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

What's it take to trade from 20 to 15? a 3rd round pick?

Yeah, give me playoffs over that any day

 No I believe it’s a lot more than that. 

1 minute ago, D-Shiznit said:

What's it take to trade from 20 to 15? a 3rd round pick?

Yeah, give me playoffs over that any day

CD Lamb comes to mind, but I’ll digress as the 53 players who are currently on roster now are important too - I hope they make the most of the opportunity, if the playoff picture pans out in our favor.