Otto Kemp ain't it

Of course Bohm looks at a called 3rd strike on a pitch he should have driven into the gap.

10 left on base today by the Phils and 3-13 with RISP

1 minute ago, vsptroops said:

Of course Bohm looks at a called 3rd strike on a pitch he should have driven into the gap.

And then whines about a clear strike

Garbage

What about Luzardo as bullpen help? Either by putting him in the pen or trade?

Nola slides in as the 4 and ideally gets it together. Painter isn’t looking like he’s ready for MLB rotation.

my thoughts on this:

32 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

What about Luzardo as bullpen help? Either by putting him in the pen or trade?

Nola slides in as the 4 and ideally gets it together. Painter isn’t looking like he’s ready for MLB rotation.

I Mentioned this for the playoffs. He has great stuff and for an inning he likely can just let it all hangout. Right now need him in the rotation with Abel in triple a. Painter they don’t want to bring up and nola isn’t ready yet

14 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I Mentioned this for the playoffs. He has great stuff and for an inning he likely can just let it all hangout. Right now need him in the rotation with Abel in triple a. Painter they don’t want to bring up and nola isn’t ready yet

I think we are headed towards Painter and Abel staying in AAA until spring training. It’s disappointing that another year goes by and no help from the farm.

I suppose Walker holds down the fort as the 5th starter until Nola returns. On return, Nola dukes it out with Luzardo for the 4th spot in the playoffs with the loser going to the pen.

I think Nola wouldn’t be as useful as Luzardo in the pen though…and Nola has extensive starting experience in the playoffs, despite how down on him we all are.

19 hours ago, iladelphxx said:

Otto Kemp ain't it

I think we always knew he was a fun spark plug who where everything he gave them was an unexpected bonus. But his limitations would shine through eventually.

Phillies top prospects by year:

2015:
1. JP Crawford
2. Aaron Nola
3. Maikel Franco
4. Roman Quinn
5. Zach Eflin

2016:
1. JP Crawford
2. Jake Thompson
3. Nick Williams
4. Mark Appel
5. Cornelius Randolph

2017:
1. JP Crawford
2. Mickey Moniak
3. Jorge Alfaro
4. Nick Williams
5. Franklyn Kilome

2018:
1. Sixto Sanchez
2. Scott Kingery
3. JP Crawford
4. Adonis Medina
5. Mickey Moniak

2019:
1. Alec Bohm
2. Adonis Medina
3. Adam Haseley
4. Luis Garcia
5. Spencer Howard

2020:
1. Alec Bohm
2. Spencer Howard
3. Bryson Stott
4. Francisco Morales
5. Adonis Medina

2021:
1. Spencer Howard
2. Mick Abel
3. Bryson Stott
4. Francisco Morales
5. Rafael Marchan

2022:
1. Bryson Stott
2. Mick Abel
3. Andrew Painter
4. Johan Rojas
5. Logan O'Hoppe

My take on the above:

I was down on this team and their chances to get over the top. But this franchise historically sucks at identifying and carrying talent through the farm system into the big league club. Sucks. They flat out do not know how to do it. This current roster built itself mostly through buying players. As Painter sits in AAA with a 4 ERA still not ready for the majors and Miller is hitting .230 in AA...I think we need to get something through our heads: they aren't special or sacred. They are next in line.

I'd sell the farm to maximize their chances this year. Their next window isn't coming until they clear the Harper/Turner/Walker/Nola contracts and can buy themselves a new foundation. It sure as hell isn't coming from their minor league talent pool. Do what they can to get it done this year and then just let Middleton warm up his check signing hand for the next generation of free agents once this roster clears.

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

My take on the above:

I was down on this team and their chances to get over the top. But this franchise historically sucks at identifying and carrying talent through the farm system into the big league club. Sucks. They flat out do not know how to do it. This current roster built itself mostly through buying players. As Painter sits in AAA with a 4 ERA still not ready for the majors and Miller is hitting .230 in AA...I think we need to get something through our heads: they aren't special or sacred. They are next in line.

I'd sell the farm to maximize their chances this year. Their next window isn't coming until they clear the Harper/Turner/Walker/Nola contracts and can buy themselves a new foundation. It sure as hell isn't coming from their minor league talent pool. Do what they can to get it done this year and then just let Middleton warm up his check signing hand for the next generation of free agents once this roster clears.

I think what you keep missing is as last year we talked about this. The guy everyone wanted to trade Aidan Miller and Crawford to get was Luis Robert Jr. Robert jr. Last year and outside of 2023 was never good enough to put them over. There has to be a prize out there to give up those guys. Otherwise you are going to make a trade with top 100 prospects of Brandon marsh. And as good as Brandon Marsh has been since he’s come back up, He still never came close to what they thought he was gonna be trading away. This has nothing to do with what all O’hoppe became. It has everything to do if you’re gonna maximize what ohoppe’s value was at the time which was close to a top 50 prospect you should’ve gotten more than marsh to get you over the top

Mason miller was that type of guy and frankly the A’s were asking for miller, painter and Crawford. So essentially, you would deplete your entire farm system for a closer. who still wouldn’t have put them over the top last year. Add right now they’d still need another bullpen arm and a middle of the lineup RH power hitter. And guess what? they wouldn’t have the resources to make the trade for that middle of the lineup guy. So you’d likely still have the same flaw.

When you are trading away top 100 prospects, you need to be getting back quality to nearly All-Star caliber players back. Everyone craps on amaro but every time he trade away a top 100 prospects he got guys like Cliff Lee, Roy Holliday, Oswalt, And Hunter Pence. All those guys were proven every day players that were all stars (or close to all stars) at that time. Again, nobody is saying if there was a Juan Soto out there that the Phillies shouldn’t make that trade. Or they made a trade like the Yankees did to get them from the Padres. Issue is that player doesn’t exist at the trade deadline. Why both of those deals were made in the offseason. Both took place in December. The new extra wild card makes it really really hard to be that type of deal Done as 70% of the league is still in it

The two hitters out there worth giving up top prospects are Suarez and Duran. Suarez is 33 and a free agent at the end of the year. So if you trade Aidan miller then don’t win then he walks in FA was it worth it? No. Duran makes more sense as he still young and controllable. Why it would take Crawford, Abel and likely miller. Issue is he’s a lefty. They need RH power.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think what you keep missing is as last year we talked about this. The guy everyone wanted to trade Aidan Miller and Crawford to get was Luis Robert Jr. Robert jr. Last year and outside of 2023 was never good enough to put them over. There has to be a prize out there to give up those guys. Otherwise you are going to make a trade with top 100 prospects of Brandon marsh. Add good as Brandon Marshall has been since he’s come back up. He still never came close to what they thought he was gonna be trading away. This has nothing to do with what all happy became. It has everything to do if you’re gonna maximize what all hobbies value was at the time which was close to a top 50 prospect you should’ve gotten more than brain marsh to get you over the top

Mason miller was that type of guy and frankly the A’s were asking for miller, painter and Crawford. So essentially, you would deplete your entire farm system for a closer. who still wouldn’t have put them over the top last year. Add right now they’d still need another bullpen arm and a middle of the lineup RH power hitter. And guess what? they wouldn’t have the resources to make the trade for that middle of the lineup guy. So you’d likely still have the same flaw.

When you are trading away top 100 prospects, you need to be getting back quality to nearly All-Star caliber players back. Everyone craps on Rubin tomorrow but every time he trade her away top 100 prospects he got guys like Cliff Lee, Roy Holliday, Oswalt, And Hunter Pence. All those guys were proven every day players that were all stars (or close to all stars) at that time. Again, nobody is saying if there was a Juan Soto out there that the Phillies shouldn’t make that trade. Or they made a trade like the Yankees did to get them from the Padres. Issue is that player doesn’t exist at the trade deadline. Why both of those deals were made in the offseason. Both took place in December. The new extra wild card makes it really really hard to be that type of deal Done as 70% of the league is still in it

I wouldn't trade them for nothing. I understand the right veteran outfielder or bullpen arm to justify a top 50-100 prospect may not actually be available. I'm just saying that if they were to be available, I wouldn't hesitate in the slightest. But I wouldn't go out of the way to dump the farm for a random veteran on a hot streak (or one who isn't even that). That's not what I'm advocating for. I just think we have far too high an opinion of the Phillies' prospects.

Re Santana: he's having a nice year, but he's been DFA'd 4 times by big market teams, most recently just 1 year ago. I just posted how I have little attachment to our prospects, but Santana better come cheap...

Mick Abel is obviously a work in progress. I'd like to see Painter start a few games.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I wouldn't trade them for nothing. I understand the right veteran outfielder or bullpen arm to justify a top 50-100 prospect may not actually be available. I'm just saying that if they were to be available, I wouldn't hesitate in the slightest. But I wouldn't go out of the way to dump the farm for a random veteran on a hot streak (or one who isn't even that). That's not what I'm advocating for. I just think we have far too high an opinion of the Phillies' prospects.

The only two prospects people are like that are because they’re top 25 prospects in painter and Miller.

Painter didn't pitch in two years. There was always going to be the immediate he feels great and stuff looks nasty. Then there was the period of the dog days of summer which he has had to deal with in 2 years. It’s unrealistic to believe after not pitching in games for 2 years for him not to go through ups and downs.

As for miller is starting to get going again after his injury. Last week he’s hit .353/.500/.647/.1147 (since back from IL .257/.426/.457/.883). Like I said he got hurt at the beginning of June and tried to play through it and didn’t look right. He came back and looked like he missed two weeks the first week. And since then he is now starting to get back to what he looked like before June in May. I said with Rojas he had a similar first 30ish games not looking great in double A then after is when he took off. It was similar to miller until he got hurt.

But again, the player we need and want from a hitting perspective isn’t out there unless you are willing to deal it for Suarez who’s a FA at year’s end and 33 or Duran who’s a LH and tbh not nearly as good as he was in 2024 (not as much of a drop off like Robert his career year to now but drop off is there). for bullpen arms the ability to do that is there: Duran, Miller or Bautista. But not a lot of teams dealing away multiple top 100 prospects it’d take to get those guys for closer/BP arm.

However, this all goes back to Dombrowski should’ve been doing his job in the off-season. It’s why recently you see all of these major trades taking place in November or December. Because nobody’s in a race right then and everybody’s willing to wheel and deal. Because of the extra wild card, the deadline isn’t as effective to complete your team and much hard to do it. It’s why we continue to have top contenders have major flaws as they can’t sure them up unless you build a team Close to completion in the offseason. The players you need to make a trade for aren’t becoming available. Why Dombrowski doing a crap job in the offseason (pissing anway $42 mil on Walker, Romano, Ross and Kepler) and still relying on the deadline to save him should be a fireable offense. The building of a roster isn’t done that way anymore.

17 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Re Santana: he's having a nice year, but he's been DFA'd 4 times by big market teams, most recently just 1 year ago. I just posted how I have little attachment to our prospects, but Santana better come cheap...

I’d prefer Bednar over Santana. Bednar has been good 4 out of last 5 years. And i know he will continue after leaving Pittsburgh. Frankly Santana like you said feels like a ticking time bomb waiting to explode. That said I’m guessing he’s far cheaper than the asking price of Bednar. I’m guessing pirates asking for something like Abel and Tait for bednar

If that’s the projected trade shows you how ridiculous the market is at the deadline. Bednar is basically estevez last year and Santana is basically like Gregory Soto where flashes but never consistent for a long time. yet asking price is a top 100 prospect. Just shows me that Dombrowski this offseason still didn’t understand the greater moves needed to be done then and that the deadline isn’t what it was 6-7 years ago or in the past when he built his title teams.

Again not great ranger’s velocity has yet to top 89 and last time he did it only 3 times all game.

yesterday 3-13 with risp

Today so far 0-3 with RISP

Come on ranger get out of this

9 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Come on ranger get out of this

It’s pretty impressive that Ranger has been able to do what he has the last two games. He’s hit over 90 miles an hour three times. And hit at least 90 just six times.

of course, I say that, and then he gives up a homerun