29 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

They were the #1 scoring offense in football with the best rushing attack though. They already did roll and did punish defenses. And remember they only have 6 picks, and two of those are 7th rounders. So those are always dart throws. They have so many holes both short-term and long-term on defense. And even if they went offense I think it's much smarter to go OL than RB. Taking a RB at 10 almost never works out for a team big picture.

Plus, I think there are several RBs in this draft that give you 80-85% of what Robinson gives you. Especially behind this OL, I really think the difference would be negligible.

3rd in points scored and 5th in rush offense.

They had the 8th ranked defense, but somewhat skewed by the ease of schedule.  They weren’t able to slow down the league’s best offense in the second half of the Super Bowl, which was their undoing.

The roster is generally being built the correct way.  I’d be inclined against paying a RB on the rookie scale at $5M+ per season; if they can find a difference maker on DL that would be best — but I have doubts that player exists.

If Gonzalez or Witherspoon is BPA at #10 my strategy would be to move Maddox to FS and have the #10 pick start at nickel CB right away.  

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Who was it likely?

I have a pet peeve about burning timeouts anyway. Take the delay and save the timeout. Also the D needs to make a stop anyway. That was the problem. KC barely had any plays in the 2nd half that gained less than 4 yards maybe a couple that’s it

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

That can’t be the only holdup.  The middle ground seems pretty clear:

Jets get — Aaron Rodgers

Packers  get — 2nd round pick in the 2023 draft

                          3rd round pick in 2024 (that decreases to a 5th round 2024 pick if Rodgers retires after 2023.  If the Jets get to the AFCCG, the 2024 pick escalates to a 2nd round selection)

I'd probably die laughing if the Jets somehow ended up with Lamar and the Packers were stuck with Rodgers.

19 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Who was it likely?

I’d have to go back and look but betting favorite is quez 

16 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

3rd in points scored and 5th in rush offense.

They had the 8th ranked defense, but somewhat skewed by the ease of schedule.  They weren’t able to slow down the league’s best offense in the second half of the Super Bowl, which was their undoing.

The roster is generally being built the correct way.  I’d be inclined against paying a RB on the rookie scale at $5M+ per season; if they can find a difference maker on DL that would be best — but I have doubts that player exists.

If Gonzalez or Witherspoon is BPA at #10 my strategy would be to move Maddox to FS and have the #10 pick start at nickel CB right away.  

Tied for first in ppg and Hurts missed two games. And also while best is subjective, I think the Eagles were objectively the best rushing attack in the NFL. The teams ahead of them largely had really crappy WRs so had to rely on their running game more. The Eagles didn't, but could have easily eclipsed the teams ahead of them if they decided to just run the ball more and not throw to their elite WR and TE trio. In fact, being 5th in total rushing yards with a trio of Brown, Smith, and Goedert tells you just how great their running game was.

1 hour ago, bitbased said:

The important part about job hopping is to make sure you're trending in the right direction though. If it looks like you're just making lateral moves constantly it'll catch up to you. This is why I'm being pretty choosy about where I'm going next since I've moved around a good bit already.

Right, like I said — you’re asking for a promotion and more money. If you aren’t getting those things why bother? Get a promotion and a pay raise. Seek these things aggressively.

1 hour ago, Allhaildawk said:

If he’s your guy just take him. 

Well, he’s not my guy at 10. And just because you live a player doesn’t mean taking him is the best move for your team. Everything is an opportunity cost.

6 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

That can’t be the only holdup.  The middle ground seems pretty clear:

Jets get — Aaron Rodgers

Packers  get — 2nd round pick in the 2023 draft

                          3rd round pick in 2024 (that decreases to a 5th round 2024 pick if Rodgers retires after 2023.  If the Jets get to the AFCCG, the 2024 pick escalates to a 2nd round selection)

Yea, that seems really off since a conditional pick could easily cover that. I really hope both teams botch this. 

Keaton Mitchell is certainly a spark plug.  Looking at his highlights I at first wrote it off to weak competition, but he’s playing against some decent teams here.

Ran a 4.37 at the Combine.  I assume he’s a late round guy/UDFA.  Might be worth a look 

 

26 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Keaton Mitchell is certainly a spark plug.  Looking at his highlights I at first wrote it off to weak competition, but he’s playing against some decent teams here.

Ran a 4.37 at the Combine.  I assume he’s a late round guy/UDFA.  Might be worth a look 

 

Still watching the video but if he returns, sign me up for a flyer.

Edit: Yep, I see returns. Sign me up. We haven't had a good returner in ages.

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2 hours ago, Allhaildawk said:

I respect what you’re saying, just disagree. Take the Steph curry analogy. We’re not talking about sending lane to blocking school, we’re talking about adding an elite piece. That’s not improving Curry’s shot, it’s adding the second best shooter in the game to the roster and turning an elite offense into an unstoppable one. 
 

I hear you, I like a lot of the backs this year. I think Roschon Johnson would be a great add too. A few others in between obviously. But just imagine a saquon caliber back in this offense and scheme to stop it. Single high on this passing attack? Let this line plow through your nickel coverage?  Let Goeddert feast down the seam?  Imagine consistently getting 5-8 yards on first down on a gimme run. Gimme second and shorts all day long.
 

I get your points I just see the potential for a truly elite attack. Including the ability to bang out 8 minute drives all game and keep the D off the field 

A better analogy would be like replacing one very good 3 point shooter with Steph Curry. Yes, Curry is a great 3 point shooter, but your marginal improvement isn’t actually that significant. And that’s the problem. If you can get 90% of what you’d get with Bijan by simply relying on our OL, Gainwell, Penny, and a mid to late round draft pick, then it just doesn’t make sense to draft Bijan at 10. You’re just not improving that much. You’re getting 10 more horsepower out of an engine that you already have, not doing an engine swap and getting 2 more cylinders.

Robinson is an excellent prospect with a very well rounded game, but he doesn’t bring us any new dimension that we don’t already have. He’s not Barry Sanders who would make our offense wildly more explosive. He’s not Marshall Faulk who would make our passing game near indefensible. He’s not even Adrian Peterson who through sheer strength and speed would overwhelm defenses.

Bijan’s strength is that he does everything at a better than average level. That’s not what we need if we are looking to take the offense to another level. We need someone who can give us traits we don’t already have that expand our playbook. Bijan doesn’t do that.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Keaton Mitchell is certainly a spark plug.  Looking at his highlights I at first wrote it off to weak competition, but he’s playing against some decent teams here.

Ran a 4.37 at the Combine.  I assume he’s a late round guy/UDFA.  Might be worth a look 

 

Yup.

The 3 RBs that intrigue me the most are Gibbs, Achane and Mitchell. Basically all for the same reason: they give us a home run threat in the run and pass game.

I think Mitchell gets drafted. 6th round seems fair. He’s too small to be anything more than a role player, but potentially he’s an impact player getting under 10 touches per game.

EDIT:

FWIW, CBS has Mitchell going in the 3rd round at #89 to the Giants.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2023-nfl-three-round-mock-draft-surprise-team-trades-up-for-will-levis-after-he-falls-cowboys-select-te/amp/

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

Yup.

The 3 RBs that intrigue me the most are Gibbs, Achane and Mitchell. Basically all for the same reason: they give us a home run threat in the run and pass game.

I think Mitchell gets drafted. 6th round seems fair. He’s too small to be anything more than a role player, but potentially he’s an impact player getting under 10 touches per game.

No Kendre Miller?

9 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

No Kendre Miller?

I like him a lot, but he’s not really intriguing. He’s a guy who would be a good all around back and give you a little bit of everything, but I don’t see him adding anything special to the offense. Good player, good prospect, would be happy to have him, but wouldn’t expect him to make the offense noticeably better:

I think the three guys I mentioned might make the offense as a whole better than otherwise better RBs would simply because of their skill set.

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

I like him a lot, but he’s not really intriguing. He’s a guy who would be a good all around back and give you a little bit of everything, but I don’t see him adding anything special to the offense. Good player, good prospect, would be happy to have him, but wouldn’t expect him to make the offense noticeably better:

I think the three guys I mentioned might make the offense as a whole better than otherwise better RBs would simply because of their skill set.

Mitchell seems interesting. I haven’t looked into him much at all.

4 hours ago, Cliftoma said:

Happy Bday to an Eagles legend.  Had a poster similar to this one growing uo

love those old unis.  Those helmets were the best.

7 hours ago, bitbased said:

Not really. I'd feel better about them picking CB. There's a lot of variability at DE right now it seems and not prospects that you'd want to pick at 10 usually.

How do you feel better wtih them picking the right CB?  When has Howie ever taken a good DB? I don't trust them much more on the DL side of things but I'd argue DB is Howie's biggest weakness when it comes to drafting, followed by the rest of the defense.  

Just thinking more about RB today.  Even if Penny has some miraculous year and plays all 17 games, he's here on a 1-year deal.  He'll be a 28 year old UFA next year and if he plays well he probably looks for the biggest deal he can get, if anyone offers.

Boston Scott is here on a 1-year deal and turns 28 in a month.  Are the Eagles going to bring back a 29 year old RB next year?

RB is a need.  Not sure where in the draft they will get one but it can't be ignored that's for sure.

I know the tweet was posted already, but my goodness, what a massive overpay. A 2023 2 and a potential 2024 1 for Rodgers? Who are they bidding against?

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12 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

CJGJAG

I wouldn't say that, but he seemed to be a little too sensitive to handle Philly.   He had instant success last year, so it was all love and adoration, but what would his reaction be if things didn't go perfectly and he started to hear it from the stands/radio/etc.?  I would foresee him lashing out on social media, at the very least.  But, that would also mean that he's carrying it around with him.  

 

I'm just not sure his personality fits this city.