July 25, 20241 yr Just now, cunninghamtheman said: Can both be true. But I’ll let you give your option on Arians. Like I said I’m biased clearly with him. Why are you clearly biased? He related to you?
July 25, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, joemas6 said: They go play with Brady ..the other guys got drafted. Let's be honest here Why did Brady choose to play there. You don’t see Brady as going to play in any scrub O scheme surely. I really appreciate Arians so much…I see him as so very fantastic in his knowledge of football and his way with people.
July 25, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said: Can both be true. But I’ll let you give your option on Arians. Like I said I’m biased clearly with him. Yes both can be true...Lurie looks for the overall stuff not the " O mind" ...he even said I multiple times.. only Chip was a play caller before being hired. Lurie wants an organized guy with a plan...not Xs and Os. He views Xs and Os as th assistants jobs
July 25, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said: Why did Brady choose to play there. You don’t see Brady as going to play in any scrub O scheme surely. I really appreciate Arians so much…I see him as so very fantastic in his knowledge of football and his way with people. The weather, the team that was in place, the money...etc. and Arians people skills ...with Leftwich calling the plays
July 25, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, joemas6 said: The same guy lurie and Howie didn't have confidence in? That’s part of the rumor as to why they were forced to fire their so recently SB winning HC. That he wanted more power and control over his own hires was the SB winning HC side of things. Pedey being the quality O mind and HC learning under the tutelage of AR. Or the situation like now having a HC in no position to demand anything just accept our FO coaches forced on to him.
July 25, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: That’s part of the rumor as to why they were forced to fire their so recently SB winning HC. That he wanted more power and control over his own hires was the SB winning HC side of things. Pedey being the quality O mind and HC learning under the tutelage of AR. Or the situation like now having a HC in no position to demand anything just accept our FO coaches forced on to him. Why do you think they fired Doug? If not for the assistants choices?
July 25, 20241 yr 21 minutes ago, joemas6 said: Yes both can be true...Lurie looks for the overall stuff not the " O mind" ...he even said I multiple times.. only Chip was a play caller before being hired. Lurie wants an organized guy with a plan...not Xs and Os. He views Xs and Os as th assistants jobs I don’t really see it quite like that. Pretty much see it as he wants AR back. That he views him as the ideal HC. Which I’d agree with. Why he hired Pedey. The non football guys bought into the Chipper gimmick. Think most football people saw through the issues with him. A top O mind that can be a great HC is what I believe is Lurie’s answer.
July 25, 20241 yr Just now, joemas6 said: Why do you think they fired Doug? If not for the assistants choices? Ego
July 25, 20241 yr Just now, cunninghamtheman said: Ego Statue was built. But there have been viral clips of Rosie shooting back at naysayers stating”your welcome I’m the only guy who’s brought you a SB”
July 25, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, joemas6 said: Why do you think they fired Doug? If not for the assistants choices? Let’s not pluralize. He still was keeping Schwartz. But was the problem coaching? Or was it the obvious decline of the roster and the GM job that was actually suffering?
July 25, 20241 yr I was here the whole time discussing the decline of our roster after 2017. Each season. Roster stunk in 2020. Plus it was capped out and had all this debt on our future. Suffered injuries also…don’t want to just make it some agenda argument. But wasn’t a good team we had. Wasn’t that great in 2019 frankly. I don’t see things that transpired as coaching failures as much as GM failures.
July 25, 20241 yr Do you think the firing was because we had a SB roster that only accomplished 4 wins and the coaches were at fault for our demise in 2020?
July 25, 20241 yr 31 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: I don’t really see it quite like that. Pretty much see it as he wants AR back. That he views him as the ideal HC. Which I’d agree with. Why he hired Pedey. The non football guys bought into the Chipper gimmick. Think most football people saw through the issues with him. A top O mind that can be a great HC is what I believe is Lurie’s answer. I don't think he wants AR back at all. Absolutely think they ( front office) wants control. They won before AR did... They won their way... and then got to another SB....THEIR WAY. IMO... they ain't changing...egos too big.
July 25, 20241 yr 33 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Ego And you think the Ego isn't there anymore....to where if they have success AGAIN this year ...then all of a sudden they change?
July 25, 20241 yr 32 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Let’s not pluralize. He still was keeping Schwartz. But was the problem coaching? Or was it the obvious decline of the roster and the GM job that was actually suffering? Why did they fire Doug. The people who make the decision. You don't have to rehash all the stuff that i said multiple times that I agree with...that i believe they should have kept Doug one more year. The people in charge want things done their way...not how you or I would do it. They have ego....they want control. If they have more success this year, that only cements things more for keeping things their way.
July 25, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, joemas6 said: I don't think he wants AR back at all. Absolutely think they ( front office) wants control. They won before AR did... They won their way... and then got to another SB....THEIR WAY. IMO... they ain't changing...egos too big. And that’s our biggest holdup.
July 25, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, joemas6 said: Why did they fire Doug. The people who make the decision. You don't have to rehash all the stuff that i said multiple times that I agree with...that i believe they should have kept Doug one more year. The people in charge want things done their way...not how you or I would do it. They have ego....they want control. If they have more success this year, that only cements things more for keeping things their way. Great way to understand how their success is a greater failure
July 25, 20241 yr 13 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: And that’s our biggest holdup. How we may view it....their view can easily be....our way got us a SB... another trip to the SB.. and playoffs every year but 2020. These are people who kept Reid around for 14 years no Superbowl...and the last 8 years half not making the playoffs. Because they like doing things their way. I can't see if they have another successful year, that they change. And I can't see them picking Moore over Siri.
July 25, 20241 yr Or does Lurie’s thirst to be a champion and be on top trump all the rest here? Which if you honestly believed any of the talk about Lurie thinking Siri is the real deal…at least when he hired him. Then that would lead you to an intersection of giving up more power to the coach once he proved himself more and more worthy.
July 25, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Great way to understand how their success is a greater failure You think they view their success as a failure? Other than Tom Brady and Mahomes..who has had more success since 2017? They were already the gold standard before winning a SB... you don't think their ego is bigger now?
July 25, 20241 yr Plus now they have a ring in the war chest already. So the next coach can’t be claimed as some king maker on them. They will have done it with two different coaching staffs.
July 25, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, joemas6 said: You think they view their success as a failure? Other than Tom Brady and Mahomes..who has had more success since 2017? They were already the gold standard before winning a SB... you don't think their ego is bigger now? That’s why I state their success is a bigger failure. The more they buy into that narrative the less likely they will be to adjust accordingly in any opposite directions. Just become more and more micromanaging the football guys.
July 25, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said: Or does Lurie’s thirst to be a champion and be on top trump all the rest here? Which if you honestly believed any of the talk about Lurie thinking Siri is the real deal…at least when he hired him. Then that would lead you to an intersection of giving up more power to the coach once he proved himself more and more worthy. You have nice theories.. probably why you think " this is the year they draft LB or S in round 1" I just go by the behavior I see. Until that changes... I am not predicting it. Bottom line...they have a successful season...they come back with the same staff. They don't have a successful season..then they make changes.
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