2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Frankly the odds anyone throws for 45+ tds is slim. In the entire history of the nfl it’s only happened 8 times. Stafford might be the 9th if he lights up the cardinals

Agreed. But even the TD’s aside, he just would not be a fit schematically. Tons of motion, quick and decisive decisions, tons of under center play action etc. It’s mostly everything the Eagles have avoided.

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

5K and 50 TDs is an exaggeration on my part. Just saying alot more than he currently does. He's thrown for 25 pass TDs this year, which is his career high. Is it reasonable to say he could throw for 40 under McVay? Stafford has 42 this year.

It’s probably unreasonable cause only been 23 players to ever in the history of the nfl throw for 40+ tds in a single season.

3 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

5K and 50 TDs is an exaggeration on my part. Just saying alot more than he currently does. He's thrown for 25 pass TDs this year, which is his career high. Is it reasonable to say he could throw for 40 under McVay? Stafford has 42 this year.

He would be benched in that offense before he ever got close.

If stefanski gets fired by the browns and doesn’t get another HC job then I’d very much consider bringing him in to be the OC (assuming we move on from patullo)

Hurts is HoF level at TD to INT and limiting turnovers. 12th best and T-9th for pick %

Turnovers are the #1 indicator for QBs generating enough offense and not hurting their defense to win games.

Number 2 is probably run support.

LA 160 and Eagles (not Hurts) ran for 46 - Hurts pulls out a win with 4 TDs (and FG block fest on 6 Stafford FG drive fails)

Denver 108 (not Nix) and Philly ran for 42. - Hurts made the plays to win and everyone else failed him.

Tampa 91 (not Baker) and Philly ran for 60 - Hurts has 2 TDs and no turnovers and they get a blocked kick.

Vikings 61 (not Wentz) and Philly ran for 55 - Hurts was literally perfect passing the ball.

Philly is up 21-0 on Dallas early and the Eagles run for 30 yards all day. - Hurts still did enough to win if Baun catches the ball

• or the refs don't cheat with push off fest 2025

Go ahead and find me 10 games of 60 or lower not-QB rushing yards where QBs were able to thrive anyway.

Not from one QB, from the rest of the league combined.

Rams no, SF no. KC does not have a win with less than 100 non-QB rushing yards.

The Bills were held to 61 non-QB rushing yards in Miami. Allen led them to 13 points.

Tampa held the Bills to 57 and Allen went MVP level in a win. (There is 1)

The Bills were held to 65 yards rushing vs New England and they lost 23-20

Darnold had a 298 yard 2 TDs game in a win over Jacksonville with 58 yards of run support. (that's 2)

Lamar had 4 TDs vs Cleveland when his team ran for 35 (that's 3)

BTW, Hurts had a recent game where he had 221 passing 2 passing TDs 74 rushing yards and a rushing TD

The rest of his team ran for 67 yards.

We call that game BTA

30 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

It really makes no difference who the OC is because his job will be to do what we've been doing the last 5 seasons.

So there was no difference in the offense we saw under Steichen compared to the one we're seeing this year? Is the what you're saying?

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

So there was no difference in the offense we saw under Steichen compared to the one we're seeing this year? Is the what you're saying?

Jalen Hurts on if he will "open up” his play-style more now that he’s won a SB: "No. I’ve went a very long time being told I gotta do it a certain type of way. That didn’t get me the win, when I did it how everyone told me to.. When you put so much energy into [personal] performance, you kinda lose sight of the main thing of winning. Since the loss in 2022, it’s been my main motivation to find ways to win, regardless of how it looks.. I just want to find ways to win, and that’s the mentality I want this team to have.”

Take a look at that quote, and ask yourself why Hurts is so against that offense that you keep clinging to as the only outlier season that could possibly support your warped view of Hurts as a capable QB.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Jalen Hurts on if he will "open up” his play-style more now that he’s won a SB: "No. I’ve went a very long time being told I gotta do it a certain type of way. That didn’t get me the win, when I did it how everyone told me to.. When you put so much energy into [personal] performance, you kinda lose sight of the main thing of winning. Since the loss in 2022, it’s been my main motivation to find ways to win, regardless of how it looks.. I just want to find ways to win, and that’s the mentality I want this team to have.”

Take a look at that quote, and ask yourself why Hurts is so against that offense that you keep clinging to as the only outlier season that could possibly support your warped view of Hurts as a capable QB.

It's not warped, it's the reality that Steichen understood spacing, how route termination influences how the QB goes through his progression, how split coverages can be sniffed out post snap, how to use efficient verbiage to actually get the play in on time, etc.

Hurts is not one to throw his OC under the bus, so if you're expecting him to say things were better when he had someone competent designing and calling plays, you're not understanding who he is as a person.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

It's not warped, it's the reality that Steichen understood spacing, how route termination influences how the QB goes through his progression, how split coverages can be sniffed out post snap, how to use efficient verbiage to actually get the play in on time, etc.

Hurts is not one to throw his OC under the bus, so if you're expecting him to say things were better when he had someone competent designing and calling plays, you're not understanding who he is as a person.

You are right that the Steichen offense looked better. The issue is that the QB has directly told you prior to this season that after losing the super bowl in, he no longer wants to play that style of football.

Hurts passed the ball exceptionally well in that game. He had the fumble that arguably cost them the game and now he is telling you he does not want to "open it up".

Since then, every OC has run an offense that looks similar to the trash we see today. Even OCs that we know are capable of better like Moore.

People blame Siri for being too turn over averse. Hurts has clearly told us that its Hurt's offense. Its how Hurts wants it to look. And that Hurts does not want to run that 2022 offense because "It didnt get me the win."

This is all 99.9% on Hurts. He has told us as much, repeatedly. Your one good season is an outlier, and Hurts directly told you he does not want to play that way anymore. Bu the way, remember that this quote came PRIOR to this season with Patullo beginning. So there was nothing to throw under the bus as the disaster offense had not been seen yet. Its not Hurts protecting his OC. Its Hurts telling you that he has no interest in throwing the football.

46 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

If Hurts had a great offensive mind, like a McVay or Shanahan, is he throwing for 5K and 45-50 TDs? Just talking passing TDs because I think as he gets older he will run less and less.

He had a good offensive mind in 2022.

Hurts had 3701 and 22 in just 15 games with Siri being a pathetic wet blanket in the 2nd half.

Take some or all of that 760 and 13 on the ground and turn it into passes.

Then actually try to play football in the 2nd half.

The 2022 Eagles passed for 2711 yards in the first half of games and got Siri'd down to 1653 in the second half.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/2022_splits.htm

5k and 45-50 TDs is Brady Manning peak-Mahomes territory. No idea that anyone can do that.

4200 and 38 TDs... no problem with good teammates a good OC and a HC that is not a PoS.

Also I have zero interest in a Joe Burrow 9-8 season with 4900 and 43

27 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If stefanski gets fired by the browns and doesn’t get another HC job then I’d very much consider bringing him in to be the OC (assuming we move on from patullo)

Stefanski also has a good relationship with Sirianni.

42 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If stefanski gets fired by the browns and doesn’t get another HC job then I’d very much consider bringing him in to be the OC (assuming we move on from patullo)

He would be my top choice but doubt it happens

1 hour ago, 315Eagles said:

If Hurts had a great offensive mind, like a McVay or Shanahan, is he throwing for 5K and 45-50 TDs? Just talking passing TDs because I think as he gets older he will run less and less.

If Hurts had a competent OC he would have 6,000 yards passing and 50 TDs easily. Also, he would not be a good fit for McVay or Shanahan who like QBs that can pass over the middle

33 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

He had a good offensive mind in 2022.

Hurts had 3701 and 22 in just 15 games with Siri being a pathetic wet blanket in the 2nd half.

Take some or all of that 760 and 13 on the ground and turn it into passes.

Then actually try to play football in the 2nd half.

The 2022 Eagles passed for 2711 yards in the first half of games and got Siri'd down to 1653 in the second half.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/2022_splits.htm

5k and 45-50 TDs is Brady Manning peak-Mahomes territory. No idea that anyone can do that.

4200 and 38 TDs... no problem with good teammates a good OC and a HC that is not a PoS.

Also I have zero interest in a Joe Burrow 9-8 season with 4900 and 43

To be fair, Joe Burrow isnt having a 9-8 season with the Eagles defense.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If stefanski gets fired by the browns and doesn’t get another HC job then I’d very much consider bringing him in to be the OC (assuming we move on from patullo)

I think Stefanski is probably at home praying right now that he gets fired from the Browns.

56 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Most of the things you listed are normal (i.e. every team has dropped passes during the season).

Weird that you said, "Anyone can be a bad coach but to be this bad with these players takes real stupidity." Then you followed that up by ripping all the players except Hurts. So ... which is it?

IMO, Jalen is a top 10 QB that has an offense that does what he wants to do. Sometimes it can be amazing. Sometimes it's stagnant. It comes down to player execution --- it is a team sport after all. You can blame the coaches all you want, but most coaches are going to force Jalen to run their system, but Sirianni has designed the offense for Jalen Hurts. It really makes no difference who the OC is because his job will be to do what we've been doing the last 5 seasons. There isn't going to be any fresh, new anything. The difference year to year will come down to execution. The offense does work if the players do their jobs.

What you said that I highlighted in bold is asinine propaganda.

What I highlighted in RED may be the stupidest thing I have ever read in my entire life.

The last 4 seasons before this they were

2021: 12 14 on offense with 1st year with rookie DeVonta, Quez, Raegor, and Ward at WR with Sanders and Howard at RB.

2022: 3 3 on offense with Steichen (should have been 1 1 but Siri shut them down in the 2nd half)

2023: 7 8 on offense

2024: 7 8 again

They are 19 24 this year.

crap about to go down with the colts

VJ EDGECOMBE!

Masterclass by the sixers on how to blow a 7 point lead in 54 seconds

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

crap about to go down with the colts

I don’t think they get rid of Steichen. He made Jones look good this year and Richardson was a total bust of a pick. If anything, Ballard might get the axe.

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

So there was no difference in the offense we saw under Steichen compared to the one we're seeing this year? Is the what you're saying?

Maybe I'm wrong but I still think having that 2nd year with Steichen helped tremendously as far as comfort in the offense. Who knows if he would have improved under Brian Johnson with another year.

Its just a weird dynamic with Hurts going back to college that he can't keep the same OC for more than a year for the most part.

3 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I don’t think they get rid of Steichen. He made Jones look good this year and Richardson was a total bust of a pick. If anything, Ballard might get the axe.

Tbh it’s not an appealing job since they dealt 2 firsts for Gardner and still need a QB. Daniel jones hasn’t proven he would be consistent year to year and coming off an Achilles. Harder to get that Qb. Plus if im taking that GM job i want the right to choose my own coach. May be it’s Steichen or maybe it’s someone else

That ref just really enjoyed his face time on TV.

@e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! I don't know if she will be any good as an owner but she has spent her life preparing for this.

She is not a car dealer or a hedge fund guy who has a team as a hobby. She is not a Walton with a toy.

She has shown serious commitment to learning as much as she can about football and the NFL.

I hope she succeeds.

The official doing the challenges is hilarious. Might be my favorite part of the game. Lol.