I like the QB coach. Get him calling plays

3 hours ago, Jeep_man said:

Meh,, I would still take him over Adoree though..

Change on scenery from the Dallas circus and being in the playoffs would motivate him to bring his best out I feel..

48 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

No sheet. What are you doing bud? It clearly says not to display on external sites.

The quoted post did. Doesn't show up on external sites. But the response does

23 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

The quoted post did. Doesn't show up on external sites. But the response does

Guess you missed my very bad joke

3 hours ago, SkippyX said:

What you said that I highlighted in bold is asinine propaganda.

What I highlighted in RED may be the stupidest thing I have ever read in my entire life.

The last 4 seasons before this they were

2021: 12 14 on offense with 1st year with rookie DeVonta, Quez, Raegor, and Ward at WR with Sanders and Howard at RB.

2022: 3 3 on offense with Steichen (should have been 1 1 but Siri shut them down in the 2nd half)

2023: 7 8 on offense

2024: 7 8 again

They are 19 24 this year.

First, I shared an opinion, not some propaganda. Propaganda is what you do ... and that's never ever say anything that can be construed as negative about Jalen Hurts. You're literally obsessed with posting him in a perpetual positive light. I really like Jalen Hurts and don't want any of the other QBs out there because he's the one on the team I root for and they are not. But he is far from the infallible entity that you make him out to be.

Your argument is very much like the ones by people that hate PFF. PFF grades players on what they believe the player did properly or improperly each play. They do not base that grade on the final result of the play. You're posting the "rankings" by yards and points of the offense. "But, Brk, how then do you explain those different rankings each year?

5 hours ago, brkmsn said:

The difference year to year will come down to execution. The offense does work if the players do their jobs.

So, yes, I do indeed believe that Sirianni's offense is built entirely around the things Jalen Hurts wants to do. You can bring in any OC you want, but their influence on the playbook is limited to Jalen's comfort zone. Steichen had 2 years here and the biggest difference in the offense while he was here was that Jalen Hurts was on a rookie contract and was allowed to actually finish runs, making him a very difficult player to defend. He was amazing on read options in 2022. In 2023, he was playing on the new extension and it was mandated he "avoid hits" by giving himself up on those very plays he would finish in 2022. That still holds true through this season. The read option has been totally neutered by this and because it is much less effective, it is called much less. Moore came in and slightly increased pre snap motion and nothing else. As you point out, the rankings stayed the same as those we had with Brian Johnson. This season the "big change" on offense was more under center snaps. What hasn't changed all these years? The routes and concepts of the receivers are the same every year. The areas of the field that Jalen prefers to throw to remain the same. The players who get targeted significantly remain the same and there has been no attempt to highly involve a WR3 in any form.

This offense has proven it can be effective when the player execution is good. Of his 5 (full) seasons, this has probably been the worst regarding execution by the offense. Even you acknowledge that much with your earlier post when you trashed everybody on offense except Jalen. So I'm not an advocate for changing the QB or the OC. I would, however, like to see Jalen set the example as THE leader and carry this team with his play when others are struggling. He can do that by finishing runs and showing his teammates that he's putting everything into every play. McNabb inspired the entire team when he gutted out that game vs Arizona where he played on the broken fibula and they all picked up their games while he was out due to that inspiration.

Just seen the milk the cow celly.

Man those exciting whites are funny

5 hours ago, brkmsn said:

First, I shared an opinion, not some propaganda. Propaganda is what you do ... and that's never ever say anything that can be construed as negative about Jalen Hurts. You're literally obsessed with posting him in a perpetual positive light. I really like Jalen Hurts and don't want any of the other QBs out there because he's the one on the team I root for and they are not. But he is far from the infallible entity that you make him out to be.

Your argument is very much like the ones by people that hate PFF. PFF grades players on what they believe the player did properly or improperly each play. They do not base that grade on the final result of the play. You're posting the "rankings" by yards and points of the offense. "But, Brk, how then do you explain those different rankings each year?

So, yes, I do indeed believe that Sirianni's offense is built entirely around the things Jalen Hurts wants to do. You can bring in any OC you want, but their influence on the playbook is limited to Jalen's comfort zone. Steichen had 2 years here and the biggest difference in the offense while he was here was that Jalen Hurts was on a rookie contract and was allowed to actually finish runs, making him a very difficult player to defend. He was amazing on read options in 2022. In 2023, he was playing on the new extension and it was mandated he "avoid hits" by giving himself up on those very plays he would finish in 2022. That still holds true through this season. The read option has been totally neutered by this and because it is much less effective, it is called much less. Moore came in and slightly increased pre snap motion and nothing else. As you point out, the rankings stayed the same as those we had with Brian Johnson. This season the "big change" on offense was more under center snaps. What hasn't changed all these years? The routes and concepts of the receivers are the same every year. The areas of the field that Jalen prefers to throw to remain the same. The players who get targeted significantly remain the same and there has been no attempt to highly involve a WR3 in any form.

This offense has proven it can be effective when the player execution is good. Of his 5 (full) seasons, this has probably been the worst regarding execution by the offense. Even you acknowledge that much with your earlier post when you trashed everybody on offense except Jalen. So I'm not an advocate for changing the QB or the OC. I would, however, like to see Jalen set the example as THE leader and carry this team with his play when others are struggling. He can do that by finishing runs and showing his teammates that he's putting everything into every play. McNabb inspired the entire team when he gutted out that game vs Arizona where he played on the broken fibula and they all picked up their games while he was out due to that inspiration.

Two things. First, Hurts isn’t the part that changed this year generally. It is/was the play of the OL and mainly due to health issues. Second, on the specific aspect of Hurts running the ball, part is by design and part is the natural slow down as QBs age. Adding that up, I don’t put the blame on Hurts though it is true that his limitations make the overall solutions more challenging.

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

Two things. First, Hurts isn’t the part that changed this year generally. It is/was the play of the OL and mainly due to health issues. Second, on the specific aspect of Hurts running the ball, part is by design and part is the natural slow down as QBs age. Adding that up, I don’t put the blame on Hurts though it is true that his limitations make the overall solutions more challenging.

I agree about the O-line execution this season. I've been saying that's likely the biggest contributor to our struggles offensively. Hurts has had a very good season for the most part.

I don't share the opinion that dual threat QBs need to quit on runs regardless of their age. I have no problem with QBs sliding after getting the first down. I do have a problem with sliding for a 1-2 yard loss on a read option where the QB keeps the ball or a designed QB run of any sort. "Living to play another day" is exactly what Ricky Watters made so famous here. It does the opposite of inspiring teammates. I also have a lot of confidence in Jalen's proven durability. He isn't made of glass so let's stop pretending that he doesn't know how to absorb a hit as a runner. I love watching DeVonta Smith play. Everybody seems to think with his frame he can't hold up --- but he keeps demonstrating physicality that you wouldn't expect and he's not the easiest guy to bring down after the catch. He's also a very willing blocker even if his frame limits his effectiveness. The effort and willingness is there and he's not a team captain.

Some fans are squeamish and tend to worry about injuries obsessively. My belief is durability is a trait and you don't have to treat Jalen Hurts like he's Chris Chandler or Sam Bradford or RGIII.

16 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I agree about the O-line execution this season. I've been saying that's likely the biggest contributor to our struggles offensively. Hurts has had a very good season for the most part.

I don't share the opinion that dual threat QBs need to quit on runs regardless of their age. I have no problem with QBs sliding after getting the first down. I do have a problem with sliding for a 1-2 yard loss on a read option where the QB keeps the ball or a designed QB run of any sort. "Living to play another day" is exactly what Ricky Watters made so famous here. It does the opposite of inspiring teammates. I also have a lot of confidence in Jalen's proven durability. He isn't made of glass so let's stop pretending that he doesn't know how to absorb a hit as a runner. I love watching DeVonta Smith play. Everybody seems to think with his frame he can't hold up --- but he keeps demonstrating physicality that you wouldn't expect and he's not the easiest guy to bring down after the catch. He's also a very willing blocker even if his frame limits his effectiveness. The effort and willingness is there and he's not a team captain.

Some fans are squeamish and tend to worry about injuries obsessively. My belief is durability is a trait and you don't have to treat Jalen Hurts like he's Chris Chandler or Sam Bradford or RGIII.

I never said "stop running”. I said "slow down” as in they get slower, aren’t as effective, and therefore can’t/don’t run as often or as well. They also should slide but I’ll go with your point of Hurts doing that too early. I’m sure he’s been coached to do that.

Anyway, you can count on one hand the dual threat QBs who didn’t slow down over the years. The pocket becomes far more important. Lamar is moving into that phase now.

In the end if the day, we didn’t have enough OL depth and the coaches have not been creative enough to overcome that issue together with Hurts’ limitations. None of that puts any blame on Hurts in my opinion. He is who he is and has always been that way.

Edit: You and I are I basic agreement as to who Hurts is and I then shift the burden to the coaches and Howie who also know full well who they gave at QB. FWIW - I am very happy to have Hurts and hope he gets a full shot again next year and perhaps beyond.

It seems to me there might be an unusually low number of HC openings this year. How many do you see? TEN, NYG and then maybe ARZ and LV. Who else?

22 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

This is the 2nd one I've seen mentioning Hurts. Its been KP and Nick.

48 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I never said "stop running”. I said "slow down” as in they get slower, aren’t as effective, and therefore can’t/don’t run as often or as well. They also should slide but I’ll go with your point of Hurts doing that too early. I’m sure he’s been coached to do that.

Anyway, you can count on one hand the dual threat QBs who didn’t slow down over the years. The pocket becomes far more important.

Hurts is 27 years old. I hope we haven't reached this reality already.

34 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Looks like a clean pocket. Why is he running in to pressure?

13 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

It seems to me there might be an unusually low number of HC openings this year. How many do you see? TEN, NYG and then maybe ARZ and LV. Who else?

Atlanta for sure. Cleveland. Maybe Miami and the Jets.

3 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Atlanta for sure. Cleveland. Maybe Miami and the Jets.

Morris may have saved his job with that Rams game. I'm not saying he should stay, but I wouldn't put it past Blank.

Just now, Alphagrand said:

Hurts is 27 years old. I hope we haven't reached this reality already.

Imho, he's obviously already slowed down a bit with his first step or two. Once he gets going he's probably just as fast as he's been.

We can look at McNabb as an example who slowed down a good bit after about five years of play and became more of a pocket passer. Some hold out longer. Guys like Vick who seemed to never lose his quickness are very few and very far between.

21 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

It seems to me there might be an unusually low number of HC openings this year. How many do you see? TEN, NYG and then maybe ARZ and LV. Who else?

I could also see Cleveland, Jets, Colts, Dolphins and Bucs.

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Looks like a clean pocket. Why is he running in to pressure?

If that’s the play I’m thinking of, yeah, it was a perfect pocket and he took off incredibly early.

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Looks like a clean pocket. Why is he running in to pressure?

3-3-5 look... interesting. Play coverage, spy and wait for Jalen to bail to the right. Rinse and repeat.

2 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

3-3-5 look... interesting. Play coverage, spy and wait for Jalen to bail to the right. Rinse and repeat.

I love that that was the screen shot @mikemack8 chose to put up. Some people just dont know ball.

10 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

But in the press conference that one time he said he's happy with how the offense looks!! Would someone really do that? Just go up to a podium and tell lies to placate insufferable members of the media? He would never!