16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Good news @HazletonEagle , Joe Douglas was promoted to Senior VP of Player Personnel

Worst in the league.

Didn't see any commentary from local beats about Verhoff at rookie camp, but at least got this.

Howie just collecting former Jets GMs

HE's agenda against Joe Douglas is so bizarre. And totally random.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

HE's agenda against Joe Douglas is so bizarre. And totally random.

Not really random at all. He has a proven track record of sucking.

There's a reason Baltimore let him go instead of making him the successor.

There is a reason why the Jets sucked and now he is out of that job.

There is a reason why no one else has hired him as their GM...

10 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

HE's agenda against Joe Douglas is so bizarre. And totally random.

I was excited to see him leave as well. Not sure why we brought him back. Our drafts were always mid at best with him here.

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Not really random at all. He has a proven track record of sucking.

There's a reason Baltimore let him go instead of making him the successor.

There is a reason why the Jets sucked and now he is out of that job.

There is a reason why no one else has hired him as their GM...

Except none of this is true.

He influenced Howie becoming Howie 2.0 and how the Eagles handle the draft process. They’ve been using the "Joe Douglas system” for years. They won a Super Bowl here with Joe Douglas. Howie makes final call on all draft picks so to blame Douglas for any bad drafts would be ridiculous anyway.

And he drafted very well with the Jets. The Jets sucked because they Jets always suck. And they have horrible ownership that meddles.

28 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Didn't see any commentary from local beats about Verhoff at rookie camp, but at least got this.

Nice to see. I thought they just brought in Akers Jr.

22 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

HE's agenda against Joe Douglas is so bizarre. And totally random.

I don't mind him being back but Howie sure drafted better without him around.

13 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I don't mind him being back but Howie sure drafted better without him around.

Too early to say on that one. Without him he had the benefit of having top 10 picks with Devonta and Jalen Carter and multiple 1sts in multiple years.

And I think Fangio had just as much of an influence last year's draft as Douglas had and last year's and this year's drafts are TBD. Not sure how we can even properly judge them yet. But the process is the same as previous years. Taking highly rated guys on the consensus that fall in your range. It's just going to depend year to year who those players are and where you're picking.

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Too early to say on that one. Without him he had the benefit of having top 10 picks with Devonta and Jalen Carter and multiple 1sts in multiple years.

And I think Fangio had just as much of an influence last year's draft as Douglas had and last year's and this year's drafts are TBD. Not sure how we can even properly judge them yet. But the process is the same as previous years. Taking highly rated guys on the consensus that fall in your range. It's just going to depend year to year who those players are and where you're picking.

Maybe. Good points. Maybe it was a mindset change or whatever, but they just seemed better without Douglas. Like I said I don't mind him being back, but when he left the drafts went better.

The problem with Douglas is he has Jets stink on him. And may be contaminated. EOD, Howie is the man here. Doesn't matter who he brings in. He gets the last vote and puts his stamp on it. Can't credit him for his great drafts and then blame someone else for the mediocre ones. He's fully accountable for all of them.

52 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Nice to see. I thought they just brought in Akers Jr.

Akers Jr. is more a punter and a warm body for camps.

Anyone been over to the aborted fetus blog over in 411 recently? Almost 3000 pages deep. Lot of grammatical errors that are driving me out of my mind.

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

Except none of this is true.

He influenced Howie becoming Howie 2.0 and how the Eagles handle the draft process. They’ve been using the "Joe Douglas system” for years. They won a Super Bowl here with Joe Douglas. Howie makes final call on all draft picks so to blame Douglas for any bad drafts would be ridiculous anyway.

And he drafted very well with the Jets. The Jets sucked because they Jets always suck. And they have horrible ownership that meddles.

Nope. I've had the Howie/Douglas convo many times. Boils down to making the "final decision" of picking names off of a poorly constructed Joe Douglas draft board means Howie is not really at fault for those picks. He would have built a better board and made better picks. He also would have traded around more and got better value. Douglas didnt let him do that.

Also can't say he drafted well with the Jets. Maybe he got names you like, because he picked at the top of the draft. But if they are poorly scouted, poorly matched for the team culture and scheme, then they are bad picks and the team remains bad.

Its odd how some people are such Douglas fan boys. He absolutely sucks. All of the NFL knows at this point. Thats why he keeps coming back to Philly. No one wants him to be their GM.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Nope. I've had the Howie/Douglas convo many times. Boils down to making the "final decision" of picking names off of a poorly constructed Joe Douglas draft board means Howie is not really at fault for those picks. He would have built a better board and made better picks. He also would have traded around more and got better value. Douglas didnt let him do that.

Also can't say he drafted well with the Jets. Maybe he got names you like, because he picked at the top of the draft. But if they are poorly scouted, poorly matched for the team culture and scheme, then they are bad picks and the team remains bad.

Its odd how some people are such Douglas fan boys. He absolutely sucks. All of the NFL knows at this point. Thats why he keeps coming back to Philly. No one wants him to be their GM.

You're just making stuff up and on this you're just wrong. The draft board being built is a collective effort. It was with Douglas here, it was with him not here, and it is with him here again. Joe Douglas never prevented Howie from doing anything, Howie is his boss he can do whatever the hell he wants.

He did draft well with the Jets. He accumulated a lot of talent. Garrett Wilson, Sauce Gardner, Jermaine Johnson, Breece Hall, Fashanu, McDonald were all good picks. He had misses too. Everyone does.

And again, you're just choosing to arbitrarily blame Joe Douglas for draft mistakes when you have no idea the level of influence and front office dynamics. And btw the Eagles hired Joe Douglas after the draft last year, but you and others have been blaming last year's draft(which isn't even bad) on him. And this year's draft, which is widely regarded as a good draft by most draft people as on him as well which is crazy, and they haven't even played a game yet, and even if the 2026 draft turns out to suck Joe Douglas wasn't even a full fledged draft guy in the organization for the past year. His role wasn't solidified until these recent changes. So we have people blaming him for drafts that we don't even know the result of yet. One of which he wasn't even here for and the other it doesn't appear he had much influence on yet. This is what I'm talking about when I say an agenda.

There are no Joe Douglas fanboys, you're a Joe Douglas hater, which is weird. You've singled out one dude who isn't even top man in the Eagles organization and have chosen to blame him for bad draft picks and draft failures which is weird. And your evidence is he hasn't gotten another GM job. A lot of guys haven't and many of the ones who did will end up sucking. Who gets hired where is not indicative of their quality and the Eagles did hire him again btw. The Eagles obviously don't believe he sucks and Howie doesn't believe he sucks or they wouldn't have hired him again.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Not really random at all. He has a proven track record of sucking.

There's a reason Baltimore let him go instead of making him the successor.

There is a reason why the Jets sucked and now he is out of that job.

There is a reason why no one else has hired him as their GM...

He was a scout with the Ravens and was nowhere near in line for a GM role. He wasn't a VP of any sort and wasn't the head scout for the team. He left Baltimore to become the director of scouting with Chicago. He left Chicago to become the VP of Player Personnel with the Eagles. He was never fired anywhere except from the Jets. I think 2 of the drafts he was with the Eagles for were underwhelming. The 2019 draft was terrible. JJAW was a scouting miss and anyone with any modicom of football knowledge should have seen that from a mile away. It's hard to know how much of that was Douglas. The other big misses were Dillard and Barnett. I think Barnett is fair to pin on Douglas because of how the Ravens tend to evaluate DE/Edge prospects. The Ravens selected Za'Darius Smith in 2015 who was a productive college player with underwhelming physical traits. It seems like his role in his return with the Eagles is more limited. He's listed as a senior scout. I am guessing he is playing some role in setting the draft board but I bet he has far less influence.

7 hours ago, garingovt2000 said:

-If the Leafs finished outside of the top 10 in the 2027 draft the Flyers get the pick straight up, and Boston gets their 2028 pick without protections.

-If the Leafs get a top 10 pick in 2027 they have the choice to either give the pick to the Flyers and then give the Bruins their pick in 2028 without protections, OR give the 2027 pick to Boston and give the 2028 pick to the Flyers without protections. Since Boston is a division rival of theirs they would almost definitely give the Flyers the pick in 2027 and make Boston wait another year and hopefully for worse than a top 10 pick.

The bottom line is that the result from last night's lottery means the Flyers will almost definitely get the Leafs pick in 2027.

15 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

You're just making stuff up and on this you're just wrong. The draft board being built is a collective effort. It was with Douglas here, it was with him not here, and it is with him here again. Joe Douglas never prevented Howie from doing anything, Howie is his boss he can do whatever the hell he wants.

He did draft well with the Jets. He accumulated a lot of talent. Garrett Wilson, Sauce Gardner, Jermaine Johnson, Breece Hall, Fashanu, McDonald were all good picks. He had misses too. Everyone does.

And again, you're just choosing to arbitrarily blame Joe Douglas for draft mistakes when you have no idea the level of influence and front office dynamics. And btw the Eagles hired Joe Douglas after the draft last year, but you and others have been blaming last year's draft(which isn't even bad) on him. And this year's draft, which is widely regarded as a good draft by most draft people as on him as well which is crazy, and they haven't even played a game yet, and even if the 2026 draft turns out to suck Joe Douglas wasn't even a full fledged draft guy in the organization for the past year. His role wasn't solidified until these recent changes. So we have people blaming him for drafts that we don't even know the result of yet. One of which he wasn't even here for and the other it doesn't appear he had much influence on yet. This is what I'm talking about when I say an agenda.

There are no Joe Douglas fanboys, you're a Joe Douglas hater, which is weird. You've singled out one dude who isn't even top man in the Eagles organization and have chosen to blame him for bad draft picks and draft failures which is weird. And your evidence is he hasn't gotten another GM job. A lot of guys haven't and many of the ones who did will end up sucking. Who gets hired where is not indicative of their quality and the Eagles did hire him again btw. The Eagles obviously don't believe he sucks and Howie doesn't believe he sucks or they wouldn't have hired him again.

Wrong

13 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

He was a scout with the Ravens and was nowhere near in line for a GM role. He wasn't a VP of any sort and wasn't the head scout for the team. He left Baltimore to become the director of scouting with Chicago. He left Chicago to become the VP of Player Personnel with the Eagles. He was never fired anywhere except from the Jets. I think 2 of the drafts he was with the Eagles for were underwhelming. The 2019 draft was terrible. JJAW was a scouting miss and anyone with any modicom of football knowledge should have seen that from a mile away. It's hard to know how much of that was Douglas. The other big misses were Dillard and Barnett. I think Barnett is fair to pin on Douglas because of how the Ravens tend to evaluate DE/Edge prospects. The Ravens selected Za'Darius Smith in 2015 who was a productive college player with underwhelming physical traits. It seems like his role in his return with the Eagles is more limited. He's listed as a senior scout. I am guessing he is playing some role in setting the draft board but I bet he has far less influence.

Right. He sucks.

He was sold to us as a rising star. He wasn't that. Howie earned his way back to the top because the guy they brought in over him sucked.

Went to the Jets. Failed there too. Came back here and the Eagles made him turn in to more of a coach because his scouting sucks.

Now they have another vice president so they had to give JD a new fancy title so he isn't blocking the real talent from ascending the ranks.So they call him senior VP.

Even with that title he will continue ue sucking.

Our draft class this year was a little underwhelming compared to recent ones. Maybe it was the weak draft class. Maybe its because Joe Douglas influenced it again. Let's see if 2 in a row look different than the others did with just Howie dominating. We will have to wait till next year.

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Not really random at all. He has a proven track record of sucking.

There's a reason Baltimore let him go instead of making him the successor.

There is a reason why the Jets sucked and now he is out of that job.

There is a reason why no one else has hired him as their GM...

That proven track record includes, among others, Sauce Gardner, Quinnen Williams, and quite a few others. I will concede mixed bag but proven track record of sucking is a gross mischaracterization. For most GMs it’s a mixed bag, Howie included.

He got a promotion when he went to the Bears. Baltimore didn’t let him go. Gross mischacterization. Out and out falsehood, in fact. Not to mention that he wasn’t GM there but a scout, hired at age 23.

There’s a lot to unpack with the Jets but when your picks are overruled by teenagers using Madden, well, that’s why they’re the Jets. Again, stuff and nonsense.

I think you’re off base about Hurts, as we all know, but this thing with Douglas is much worse and irrational to boot.

You said he was passed over for the Ravens job, DeCosta was always going to get that job. He was assistant GM and was groomed for it for years. He was in the Ravens organization since the 90s.

You've chosen to single out one dude for mistakes when you have no idea his specific influence things and are jumping to broad conclusions about various things.

You're just saying a bunch of wrong things.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Right. He sucks.

He was sold to us as a rising star. He wasn't that. Howie earned his way back to the top because the guy they brought in over him sucked.

Went to the Jets. Failed there too. Came back here and the Eagles made him turn in to more of a coach because his scouting sucks.

Now they have another vice president so they had to give JD a new fancy title so he isn't blocking the real talent from ascending the ranks.So they call him senior VP.

Even with that title he will continue ue sucking.

Our draft class this year was a little underwhelming compared to recent ones. Maybe it was the weak draft class. Maybe its because Joe Douglas influenced it again. Let's see if 2 in a row look different than the others did with just Howie dominating. We will have to wait till next year.

My concern with the draft is they went into clearly targeting offensive players in a draft that wasn't that great for those players. That being said, I like the first 2 picks. I think Stowers has great athletic upside and may end up as a top 5 TE in the League. Uar Bernard was also a good pick from an investment standpoint.

Maybe the Joe Douglas hire was a 4D chess move by Howie. If this year's draft sucks, it's on Joe Douglas. If it's great, it was all Howie.

Wouldn't be surprised if Joe Douglas was behind Stoutland leaving too. Think it's a coincidence that the relationship with Stoutland goes south the one year Joe Douglas is involved in coaching to some capacity?