1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

He's not the biggest problem, but his health sure is up there. They should have traded him but now it's too late. The biggest problem is the owner. He should have told the NBA to piss off years ago vs letting them place someone in charge of the team who was incompetent. He shouldn't have let the stupid coach draft and then trade away a valuable piece for a project. He shouldn't have picked Brand to be GM and watch him let Butler walk while keeping Harris. He shouldn't have hired DM and he shouldn't have forced him into trading away a young player because he was a cheap you know what.

Embiid deserves blame in this. He failed as well especially early in his career like the Toronto series where they likely win if he took better care of his body and himself.

But like you said, their ownership (and front office) are much more to blame for the situation that they find themselves in. I can name about 60-70 different mistakes and bad decisions made by the owner/FO compared to their good decisions which might be a handful.

Just a few of them:

— drafting Noel

—drafting okafor

— drafting Simmons and not making him learn to shoot

— trading up to no. 1

—to then draft fultz

— trading away bridges

— giving Tobias a near max

— not trading Tobias on a expiring contract

— drafting TLC in the 1st round

— paying Al Horford

— trading for harden

—giving PG a max

— burner gate with big collar colangelo

— selling "high” on McCain

— releasing champagnie so mcclung could wear a sixers jersey in a dunk contest

— getting rid of Isaiah Joe

— giving Embiid an extension after hurting hitting his knee and not seeing what he’d be after that injury

— hiring Glenn rivers (everyone knew he was an overrated coach)

— allowing Brett brown and Elton brand with little to no experience run the franchise during a pivotal offseason then firing brown a year later

— caved to the nba when they were on them about tanking with Hinkie

I have about 30-40 more i could add to this list

Here are the good things they’ve done

— embiid becoming an mvp

— drafting Maxey

— drafting VJ

— signing JJ originally

ugh... that was ugly

41 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

The 6ers are on…

Good news, they are now off

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Embiid deserves blame in this. He failed as well especially early in his career like the Toronto series where they likely win if he took better care of his body and himself.

But like you said, their ownership (and front office) are much more to blame for the situation that they find themselves in. I can name about 60-70 different mistakes and bad decisions made by the owner/FO compared to their good decisions which might be a handful.

Just a few of them:

— drafting Noel

—drafting okafor

— drafting Simmons and not making him learn to shoot

— trading up to no. 1

—to then draft fultz

— trading away bridges

— giving Tobias a near max

— not trading Tobias on a expiring contract

— drafting TLC in the 1st round

— paying Al Horford

— trading for harden

—giving PG a max

— burner gate with big collar colangelo

— selling "high” on McCain

— releasing champagnie so mcclung could wear a sixers jersey in a dunk contest

— getting rid of Isaiah Joe

— giving Embiid an extension after hurting hitting his knee and not seeing what he’d be after that injury

— hiring Glenn rivers (everyone knew he was an overrated coach)

— allowing Brett brown and Elton brand with little to no experience run the franchise during a pivotal offseason then firing brown a year later

— caved to the nba when they were on them about tanking with Hinkie

I have about 30-40 more i could add to this list

Here are the good things they’ve done

— embiid becoming an mvp

— drafting Maxey

— drafting VJ

— signing JJ originally

So much we could dive into that's spot on. Who the hell did the research on Simmons? Someone had to notice none of his teammates went to his birthday party 😁 Being serious nobody noticed his lack of a drive/passion to win/basketball?

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

So much we could dive into that's spot on. Who the hell did the research on Simmons? Someone had to notice none of his teammates went to his birthday party 😁 Being serious nobody noticed his lack of a drive/passion to win/basketball?

Don’t forget they traded assets to move up for fultz when colangelo was in on him and half the organization didn’t want or believe in fultz.

HE and I had a conversation about six years ago when they gave Tobias Harris his contract, paid Al Horford and allowed Simmons is do whatever the hell he wanted. I said at that time they were never gonna win anything with Embiid because they pissed away too many assets and you made way too many mistakes for you to overcome the decisions you made. We are so lucky that they actually hit on maxey (heck even getting that pick) and VJ. Because they could even be in a far worse spot without getting lucky those two years.

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

bleh - that makes me want to vomit.

2 minutes ago, SinCityEaglesFan2 said:

bleh - that makes me want to vomit.

Makes it worse i could add about 30-40 decisions/moves added to this

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Makes it worse i could add about 30-40 decisions/moves added to this

oh I believe it - trust me

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I don't think a QB and WR1 have spent time together and worked offsite together in the offseason before. Innovative and big if true.

He could be grinding and driven this offseason training for the upcoming year or he could be off shooting music videos with his girlfriend like Herbert. Funny though how you goof on Hurts for it but would be fawning over Hertbert if here here but shooting music videos during the offseason instead.

16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Don’t forget they traded assets to move up for fultz when colangelo was in on him and half the organization didn’t want or believe in fultz.

HE and I had a conversation about six years ago when they gave Tobias Harris his contract, paid Al Horford and allowed Simmons is do whatever the hell he wanted. I said at that time they were never gonna win anything with Embiid because they pissed away too many assets and you made way too many mistakes for you to overcome the decisions you made. We are so lucky that they actually hit on maxey (heck even getting that pick) and VJ. Because they could even be in a far worse spot without getting lucky those two years.

And I was all over the trade Embiid train years and years ago when people would say, you'll never get equal value for him.

What's equal value for yearly 1st and 2nd round playoff losses worth in a trade? I would have loved depth and a starter or two who would be available to play in the post season, cap flexibility etc... I didnt need a Durant level star back in return. Just wanted him gone so we could actually possibly win.

6ers fans always overvalued Embiid, in denial that he would never deliver.

12 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

He could be grinding and driven this offseason training for the upcoming year or he could be off shooting music videos with his girlfriend like Herbert. Funny though how you goof on Hurts for it but would be fawning over Hertbert if here here but shooting music videos during the offseason instead.

Hurts just played softball and went for a bike ride dressed like a 90 year old man.

A lot of blame on Joel Embiid going around here and rightfully so but here’s something Sixers fans don’t wanna hear Tyrese Maxey comes up small in playoffs. This team needs to be gutted and start from scratch.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

And I was all over the trade Embiid train years and years ago when people would say, you'll never get equal value for him.

What's equal value for yearly 1st and 2nd round playoff losses worth in a trade? I would have loved depth and a starter or two who would be available to play in the post season, cap flexibility etc... I didnt need a Durant level star back in return. Just wanted him gone so we could actually possibly win.

6ers fans always overvalued Embiid, in denial that he would never deliver.

To me the bigger issue with embiid was giving him that extension when they did. There was no reason to give it to him. He was coming off a knee injury. We didn’t know what he was gonna look like when he came back. they did it anyways. Even if you just let him play out the rest of his contract prior to that, and let him walk away you would’ve cleared cap space. Which didnt trade him and get value but at least you aren’t stuck with him and his massive extension. Now you’re tied up to him on the decline for 3 years unless you are willing to put picks along with him and take on bad contract with likely 2 years left on them as well.

At least the flyers went down swinging, even without tippett and cates for half the series

58 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

It's not denial it's acceptance. He's never healthy but there's nothing they can do about it. They can't trade him and they can't make him healthy so what are Sixers fans to do other than to cross their fingers?

Nothing they can do about it?? Embiid sat out two playoff games in their series against the Raptors because he had a sore tummy, and the world watched Kawhi Leonard carry a bunch of scrubs on his back all the way to win an NBA championship. The Raptors, ffs!!

Embiid needed to be gone at exactly the same moment that rainbow jump shot bounced in after rattling the rim six times. It was obvious he was an albatross who would weigh down the Sixers franchise. They could have gotten real value for him if they’d jettisoned him when it was appropriate to do so.

18 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

To me the bigger issue with embiid was giving him that extension when they did. There was no reason to give it to him. He was coming off a knee injury. We didn’t know what he was gonna look like when he came back. they did it anyways. Even if you just let him play out the rest of his contract prior to that, and let him walk away you would’ve cleared cap space. Which didnt trade him and get value but at least you aren’t stuck with him and his massive extension. Now you’re tied up to him on the decline for 3 years unless you are willing to put picks along with him and take on bad contract with likely 2 years left on them as well.

Needed the injury protections like his old contract had, at the very least.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Nothing they can do about it?? Embiid sat out two playoff games in their series against the Raptors because he had a sore tummy, and the world watched Kawhi Leonard carry a bunch of scrubs on his back all the way to win an NBA championship. The Raptors, ffs!!

Embiid needed to be gone at exactly the same moment that rainbow jump shot bounced in after rattling the rim six times. It was obvious he was an albatross who would weigh down the Sixers franchise. They could have gotten real value for him if they’d jettisoned him when it was appropriate to do so.

No offense Embiid was a mvp type player and had the sixers as a 1 seed against the hawks with broken down Danny green, Seth curry, Simmons and Tobias Harris as his other options. Seth curry was the second best player in that series. Imo that’s laughable and horrible roster construction. Don’t wanna hear about Tobias Harris now is playing well now. Tobias Harris is playing well cause he’s not given a massive max type contract and having to live up to it. It’s much easier when you are getting paid 60% of that in Detroit.

Imo i wouldn’t have given him the extension (was gross negligence and idiotic) but whoever’s bright idea was giving Harris a near max contract and paying al Horford along with dealing bridges previous offseason deserves to never work in the nba again. that 2020-21 team might have actually won something if Seth curry wasn’t the second best player in that hawks series.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Needed the injury protections like his old contract had, at the very least.

Agreed. However, the Sixers not being stupid would help. They routinely just give out bad contracts. That has been a story of the Sixers since the process started. Horford‘s contract was bad. Ben Simmons contract was bad. Tobias Harris contract was bad. PG is a bad contract that they forced themselves into as they were always extending Embiid and thought it was only way to maximize the rest of his career. They routinely just give out bad contracts. There’s others i haven’t mentioned that weren’t as bad but still hurt

whos bright idea was it to deal Jimmy Butler instead of Harris - I was living out west as the time and wasn't really in the loop

3 minutes ago, SinCityEaglesFan2 said:

whos bright idea was it to deal Jimmy Butler instead of Harris - I was living out west as the time and wasn't really in the loop

Had an Arizona coach tell me (was an Arizona alum in the sixers staff at the time), they didn’t even offer him a contract as they wanted the younger Tobias Harris. Could only have one or the other. Take it for what it’s worth. they also knew he was gone already to Miami. That was the offseason where Harris allowed Elton brand and Brett brown to run the show. Got triple whammy of contracts in Al Horford, Harris and Simmons rookie extension

10 minutes ago, SinCityEaglesFan2 said:

whos bright idea was it to deal Jimmy Butler instead of Harris - I was living out west as the time and wasn't really in the loop at the time

Brett Brown and Elton Brand...

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Had an Arizona coach tell me (was an Arizona alum in the sixers staff at the time), they didn’t even offer him a contract as they wanted the younger Tobias Harris. Could only have one or the other. Take it for what it’s worth. they also knew he was gone already to Miami. That was the offseason where Harris allowed Elton brand and Brett brown to run the show. Got triple whammy of contracts in Al Horford, Harris and Simmons rookie extension

Its been portrayed as choosing Harris over Butler, but I have always felt it was Simmons over Butler.

It was obvious they were going to extend Harris after the big trade. But I had been saying Simmons was terrible for a few years, and I think a lot of fans were actually coming around on that at the time as well. But he was always Brett Brown's boy. They could have kept Harris, and Butler and let Simmons go. They were already letting Butler play a lot of 1 man because Simmons sucked at it.

Also, while Harris was a bad contract, people always neglected to acknowledge that he got less than the max, so I never felt it was as bad as people made it out to be.

I eventually came around on moving on from Harris too, but I also think people didnt recognize his improvement on defense while with the 6ers and many times seemed like he defended an rebounded well even if he didnt give us the scoring we expected from him.

There was also the story about how Butler overheard Brown saying " are we sure we can handle Jimmy Butler" calling him a bad attitude player which insulted Butler. So the story that they never offered him a contract tracks with actual reports. Brett Brown was afraid of his personality (even though he looked like a model teammate with that squad, and the vibes were high), and loved Ben Simmons.

28 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Nothing they can do about it?? Embiid sat out two playoff games in their series against the Raptors because he had a sore tummy, and the world watched Kawhi Leonard carry a bunch of scrubs on his back all the way to win an NBA championship. The Raptors, ffs!!

Embiid needed to be gone at exactly the same moment that rainbow jump shot bounced in after rattling the rim six times. It was obvious he was an albatross who would weigh down the Sixers franchise. They could have gotten real value for him if they’d jettisoned him when it was appropriate to do so.

I said there's nothing they can do about it and you brought up a trade opportunity from 6-7 years ago.

46 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Hurts just played softball and went for a bike ride dressed like a 90 year old man.

With teammates. And that is all still training. Keeping active.

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

With teammates. And that is all still training. Keeping active.

I think its nice that Herbert is staying active with Madison Beer too. She would never let Hurts get active with her with his stupid Mr. Clean earrings and grandpa wind pants.