12 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

If they stay healthy and the offense clicks after a few weeks why not? The Giants may take a step up, but DC and the Cowboys don't concern me if that happens. Rams/Hawks/49ers can beat the crap out of each other. Bears will be good, but I'm not sold on their QB in big situations just yet (Dak 2.0?). That's about it. They will have to beat one of the teams from the West, which I think they can do. Again, can Cam and Dickerson stay healthy? Can they avoid major injuries, which is true for every contending team?

I'm optimistic and not because I'm a fan. Carter, Davis, and Hunt are going to be a handful for any team they face. If they take their time with Greenard and he comes back healthy and has a few weeks to get in game shape that's another problem. Their LBs are talented and deep and they have three really good DBs. Toss in SB having a good year if the OL is healthy and they match up with anyone. I said it earlier today, but that defense absolutely has the ability to be more talented than the SB team two years ago.

Certainly a shot but quite a bit needs to work out and it starts with the health of the OL. As for the East, I am quite concerned about the Cowboys this year (normally they don't worry me one bit) but the other two aren't going to win 10 games.

12 hours ago, kiwieagle said:

Wasn't the biggest fan of the top of the Eagles draft back in April.

Had reservations about Lemon athletically and hate that Stowers can't block - he was on my players I wish the Eagles avoid list. Its very early but hasn't been a lot of encouraging signs so far to make me change that view to date but I hope they both prove me wrong.

Aside from getting Goedert back, the rest of the offseason has completely subverted my expectations.

Do we draft a WR with X capability due to the impending AJ exit… no, slot only.

Do we draft a Y tight end because we’ve deferred replacing Goedert for years… no, F type/big slot prospect.

Do we draft an offensive tackle for the outside zone… no, I guess we are running something else.

Do we husband our resources to pay the young guys on the defensive roster and continue to build through the draft… no, we use premium picks and pay Greenard.

Do we draft a processor at QB to coincide with a more read heavy offense… nope, we select a YOLO guy from a lower level of competition.

So, to me Howie has lost the plot - but we’ll see down the road how all these pieces align.

Note: that’s just some of the personnel moves, the coaching change was even more mind bending.

15 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Aside from getting Goedert back, the rest of the offseason has completely subverted my expectations.

Do we draft a WR with X capability due to the impending AJ exit… no, slot only.

Do we draft a Y tight end because we’ve deferred replacing Goedert for years… no, F type/big slot prospect.

Do we draft an offensive tackle for the outside zone… no, I guess we are running something else.

Do we husband our resources to pay the young guys on the defensive roster and continue to build through the draft… no, we use premium picks and pay Greenard.

Do we draft a processor at QB to coincide with a more read heavy offense… nope, we select a YOLO guy from a lower level of competition.

So, to me Howie has lost the plot - but we’ll see down the road how all these pieces align.

I don’t like athletically ceiling-ed and limited players in the high rounds (Lemon).

So I was excited for Stowers because I enjoy any draft pick with unique and exceptional athletic attributes. The problem that we all discussed at the time…unless he becomes a viable blocker, he just becomes a slow WR with great ups who doesn’t separate against CBs. He doesn’t need to be an all around TE like prime Gronk. He just needs to be good enough to force defenses to treat him like a TE in coverage, which unlocks his athleticism.

12 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don’t like athletically ceiling-ed and limited players in the high rounds (Lemon).

So I was excited for Stowers because I enjoy any draft pick with unique and exceptional athletic attributes. The problem that we all discussed at the time…unless he becomes a viable blocker, he just becomes a slow WR with great ups who doesn’t separate against CBs. He doesn’t need to be an all around TE like prime Gronk. He just needs to be good enough to force defenses to treat him like a TE in coverage, which unlocks his athleticism.

I really don’t like the combination of these picks either because in my mind they play the same position (slot) and will have a hard time being on the field simultaneously.

22 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I really don’t like combination of these picks either because in my mind they play the same position (slot) and will have a hard time being on the field simultaneously.

I wasn’t super high or super low on the lemon pick. But it does concern me that he’s had hamstring issues since the time he’s gotten to the Eagles. I don’t think it’s long term but i do think it’ll hurt him getting into the flow of the scheme and offense early as a rookie. Imo you’re getting a guy who i think is a purely slot wide receiver. Don’t know if his athleticism or speed translate to the outside which is fine if wicks steps into the other outside role along side smith. Also it is great if he winds up being St Brown like the lions have. However, the lions also didn’t spend a first round pick to get him. He was a fourth round pick.

I understand why the Eagles did it because they felt the value was there. And I’m not gonna hate them for it or criticize them for it. However, I do think Justin Jefferson who had strong share of he’s only a slot had more upside to play the outside than lemon.

The stowers pick i really didn’t love it. I didn’t hate it. I understood why they did it. His athleticism and his ability if he learns to be a decent blocker could be tremendous upside. But at the same time, he’s a high risk high reward guy. Imo he’s either going to be a boom or bust type guy. I could see him making it or being like JJAW where he gets the ire of the fans. The Eagles don’t have much if any depth tight end their roster entering 2027 offseason besides him. So I would assume they add in free agency and one in the middle of the draft. However, if they take that tight end high in the 2027 draft, I think it kind of tells you what they saw this year in terms of his development and where they think he is Heading into the offseason. Reasonably I thought it always was just going to be a redshirt kind of season for him and year 2 is where you kinda hope he makes a jump. But then again I thought Jaylx hunt was gonna take two years to get to a point where he could be solid and he’s already blossoming into maybe a star prior to that. So I’m curious to see that position and what they do next off-season.

On 8/19/2026 at 4:11 PM, Sack that QB said:

Bo said he saw Greenard talking with Drew Rosenhaus and an Eagles trainer after his workout and he wandered over to try to listen in and get the scoop and he said from what he gathered there was talk about not rushing him back and making sure he's absolutely 100% before he gets back on the field. That seems like the current plan. Possibly because of how rushing Dickerson backfired last year(this is me interjecting here).

Also Bo speculated that this may be why Fangio has been so blunt in his answers about Greenard, that he's not happy he hasn't been on the field and missing key reps.

An agent being protective of his client and a grizzled old coach wanting the player to toughen up.

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3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I wasn’t super high or super low on the lemon pick. But it does concern me that he’s had hamstring issues since the time he’s gotten to the Eagles. I don’t think it’s long term but i do think it’ll hurt him getting into the flow of the scheme and offense. Imo you’re getting a guy who i think is a purely slot wide receiver. Don’t know if his athleticism or speed translate to the outside which is fine if wicks steps into the other outside role along side smith. Also it is great if he winds up being St Brown like the lions have. However, the lions also didn’t spend a first round pick to get him. He was a fourth round pick.

I understand why the Eagles did it because they felt the value was there. And I’m not gonna hate them for it or criticize them for it. However, I do think Justin Jefferson who had strong share of he’s only a slot had more upside to play the outside than lemon.

The stowers pick i really didn’t love it. I didn’t hate it. I understood why they did it. His athleticism and his ability if he learns to be a decent blocker could be tremendous upside. But at the same time, he’s a high risk high reward guy. Imo he’s either going to be a boom or bust type guy. I could see him making it or being like JJAW where he gets the ire of the fans. The Eagles don’t have much if any depth tight end their roster entering 2027 offseason besides him. So I would assume they add in free agency and one in the middle of the draft. However, if they take that tight end high in the 2027 draft, I think it kind of tells you what they saw this year in terms of his development and where they think he is Heading into the offseason. Reasonably I thought it always was just going to be a red shirt kind of season for him and near 2 is where you kinda hope he makes a jump. But then again I thought Jaylx hunt was gonna take two years to get to a point where he could be solid and he’s already blossoming into maybe a star prior to that. So I’m curious to see that position and what they do next off-season.

Lemon is more Reagor than JJ, talent wise. I can’t imagine Lemon’s head is as screwed up as Reagor was. I was just meh on Stowers. Other liked the pick so I was like sure, I’ll watch from the corner in the dark.

But I didn’t like the Lemon pick at all. Did his creepy combine sexy talking interview sway me? Yes, yes it did. Then I saw his film and the fact that he’s just another highly drafted WR out of USC and then I was even more skeptical.

There were some TEs in this class that looked like passing game weapons but were really just utilized very well in wide open spaces.

I think Joly was a prime example of that.

Stowers is doing a ton of work on blocking. I think he will potentially be more productive in the regular season when the full effects of the offense can generate space for him rather than in 1 on 1s while he has no clue how to run routes.

10 minutes ago, Chest Rockwell said:

Lemon is more Reagor than JJ, talent wise. I can’t imagine Lemon’s head is as screwed up as Reagor was. I was just meh on Stowers. Other liked the pick so I was like sure, I’ll watch from the corner in the dark.

But I didn’t like the Lemon pick at all. Did his creepy combine sexy talking interview sway me? Yes, yes it did. Then I saw his film and the fact that he’s just another highly drafted WR out of USC and then I was even more skeptical.

Tbh I kind of felt like where the Eagles were picking at 23 they were kind of stuck in no man’s land. Where there weren’t a lot of prospects that I liked at that spot so they were reaching. So imo they either had to move up to get somebody they liked. Or move back and just get extra draft picks. I really wouldn’t be shocked if Concepcion, cooper and stribling are better. Albeit two of those guys are in much crappier situations.

I hope I’m wrong but i see lemon having a Jordan Matthews type of career. Not that he’s built like Matthews or that Matthews sucked. Just solid. I’d be surprised if he became like st. Brown. I hope I’m wrong though

37 minutes ago, Chest Rockwell said:

Lemon is more Reagor than JJ, talent wise. I can’t imagine Lemon’s head is as screwed up as Reagor was. I was just meh on Stowers. Other liked the pick so I was like sure, I’ll watch from the corner in the dark.

But I didn’t like the Lemon pick at all. Did his creepy combine sexy talking interview sway me? Yes, yes it did. Then I saw his film and the fact that he’s just another highly drafted WR out of USC and then I was even more skeptical.

Reagor was a traits guy with meh college numbers and meh route running ability but impressive explosive/strength testing.

Lemon is a poor testing numbers guy with elite route running and a ton of production as a senior, winning him the biletnikoff award.

Weird comparison.

13 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

They look promising, but it's still baffling why Howie didn't do much more to address either position after the season.

Kendall was the #2 C in last year’s draft. He stole Lampkin. Majors was the.C for four years at UT. Both he and Williams came from the #1 college OL in 2024. Three Cs behind Cam. Lampkin is learning C. Kendall and Majors are learning G as is Hinton, who grew up in an NFL family. Morris slipped in the draft because he is a G only but extremely athletic. He’s learning both sides. Howie brought in Jordan, who has starting experience in the NFL. Fred Johnson can play G too. At T, Williams has the tools but is extremely young. All have technique refinement issues. Many are learning other positions. (Only Williams and Jordan seem to be playing their established positions of the backups). This year, Howie added Bell, who seems to be performing very well. He added Morris, who is extremely athletic for his size.

The hardest thing to do is change muscle memory. I don’t put much value in the Beats practice evaluations despite gobbling up all the TC/PS news. I suspect that there is a lot of thinking to do the technique right. (See Fangio’s comments about J Campbell, for example). I don’t know about Vrabel but Nick had the relationship with Stefanski so they would meet ahead of time to ask certain challenges for the players in the joint practices. Now Day 3 picks are a gamble but I like the Day 3 guys Howie has gambled on.

As to Milton v Landon. Milt gives lots of OL fits because of his speed and leverage. But I am not going to read a lot into that.

Look at Steen. He looked bad his first year and is beginning to show good results.

Kendall & Lampkin both look like solid C/G combos and they drafted Micah Morris. Bell looks like a good pick and they have Fred Johnson. Seems like enough tbh

7 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Reagor was a traits guy with meh college numbers and meh route running ability but impressive explosive/strength testing.

Lemon is a poor testing numbers guy with elite route running and a ton of production as a senior, winning him the biletnikoff award.

Weird comparison.

Just using this as a jumping off point, but I think the Biletnikoff is one of the most overrated awards people use when it comes to projecting how they will be in the NFL. The last 10 years it's been Corey Coleman, Dede Westbrook, James Washington, Jerry Jeudy, Ja'Marr Chase, DeVonta Smith, Jordan Addison, Jalin Hyatt, Marvin Harrison Jr. and Travis Hunter.

You have basically two studs, two big disappointments and one still unknown they are going to ruin by having him play DB. The rest is trash.

I'm not a big Lemon fan, but I was fine where they took him given how weak this draft class was. I don't like the WRs outside of Devonta and I think it's going to be a problem this season. One of many reasons I think the offense is going to be bad.

2 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Aside from getting Goedert back, the rest of the offseason has completely subverted my expectations.

Do we draft a WR with X capability due to the impending AJ exit… no, slot only.

Do we draft a Y tight end because we’ve deferred replacing Goedert for years… no, F type/big slot prospect.

Do we draft an offensive tackle for the outside zone… no, I guess we are running something else.

Do we husband our resources to pay the young guys on the defensive roster and continue to build through the draft… no, we use premium picks and pay Greenard.

Do we draft a processor at QB to coincide with a more read heavy offense… nope, we select a YOLO guy from a lower level of competition.

So, to me Howie has lost the plot - but we’ll see down the road how all these pieces align.

Note: that’s just some of the personnel moves, the coaching change was even more mind bending.

The change in scheme doesn't require a X type WR. They also got the consensus best WR on the board. I don't think drafting a player because he looks like the best replacement for AJ is the right choice. I agree with you on TE. I think there were more balanced prospects on the board that would be better fits. I think Howie got carried away of having a mismatch weapon because of his athletic testing without really think about utility in the scheme and the transistion to the NFL.

As for defense, did you miss the extensions paid to Davis and Carter? He has also openly stated they will be able to retain Q and Cooper. I am not worried about their ability to keep the core of the young defense together. As for Greenard, the picks and deal probably are a signal they are not going to extend Nolan Smith but it's not a waste of resources.

These are the Eagles projected picks in 2027:

Round	How acquired
1	Eagles' own pick
2	Eagles' own pick
3	Compensatory pick (projected, for the loss of Jaelan Phillips)
4	Eagles' own pick
5	Eagles' own pick
5	From Patriots
7	From Jets or Ravens
7	From Cowboys

They have 8 picks. They have 8 picks in 2028. I think it's safe to say that Howie understands the value of the picks he traded and likely views Greenard as a better player than anyone they could have gotten with the 2026 3rd this season and the loss of Phillips offsets the 3rd next season.

As for QB, I am not sure what QB prospect you think was more of a heavy read prospect (if that is a thing). There are no college offenses that require any kind of high level processing that is similar to the Shanahan system. If anything North Dakota State's offense is more akin to the Shanahan offense than what most QBs are running in college. I mean Nussmier was running a spread RPO system in college. He almost always had defined throws. North Dakota State runs more play action passing plays and uses motion. To me, they picked the prospect with more upside and utility. He may not pan out but I don't think anyone picked after him has a better shot than him. He's also shown enough in camp that he's making the team.

JFC let's give the kids a chance to play a single MFing snap in a real game before we decide whether they're good picks or not - f'n dorks

8 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

JFC let's give the kids a chance to play a single MFing snap in a real game before we decide whether they're good picks or not - f'n dorks

Also we should consider that Jalen is basically a rookie in this offense.

1 hour ago, Waiting4Someday said:

1 hour ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Aside from getting Goedert back, the rest of the offseason has completely subverted my expectations.

Do we draft a WR with X capability due to the impending AJ exit… no, slot only.

Do we draft a Y tight end because we’ve deferred replacing Goedert for years… no, F type/big slot prospect.

Do we draft an offensive tackle for the outside zone… no, I guess we are running something else.

Do we husband our resources to pay the young guys on the defensive roster and continue to build through the draft… no, we use premium picks and pay Greenard.

Do we draft a processor at QB to coincide with a more read heavy offense… nope, we select a YOLO guy from a lower level of competition.

So, to me Howie has lost the plot - but we’ll see down the road how all these pieces align.

Note: that’s just some of the personnel moves, the coaching change was even more mind bending.

The first question I would ask you in response to this is who would you have drafted? Please name names.

As regards WR, where we were drafting there was no true X. We did add a bunch of WRs including but not limited to a slot receiver.

The same goes for TE. Sadiq was the consensus #1 and he went early. Stowers is bigger, a 1/10th of a second slower in the 40. Is Sadiq a better blocker? Hard to say. What I think is clear is that the Eagles drafted Stowers based on what they think he can become, not what he is now. It's worth mentioning that Goedert was not a good blocker when he was drafted, nor was he a great route-runner Again, I ask, who should we have drafted as the Y?

And yes, we drafted an OT for the OZ. Or didn't you notice?

Husband our resources to pay the young guys? What does that even mean? However, there is a point hiding in here that I think you missed. We used our first three picks on offense. Why? The offense as currently structured takes up the greater part of our cap. The way to rebalance that is to bring in young guys on cheaper contracts to replace the older guys as they retire. Lane and Dickerson look to be on their last seasons. We have replacements at much lower cost. That in turn frees up money for the young guys on defense who have to be paid over the next couple of years. And we've already extended Carter and Davis. Bottom line here is that drafting for the offense makes good financial sense.

I wouldn't dismiss Greenard quite so cavalierly.

As for QB, we have McKee, added Dalton, and drafted Payton. What is YOLO? You Only Live Once? Two national titles in college. Not too shabby.

Something I should stress here. I believe you misunderstand the Mannion offense. It is not a more read-heavy offense. To the contrary. The motion, the play-action, the bootleg, the QB under center, the RB releasing to the flat, all are designed to give the QB a quick and easy read. If one and two aren't open right away, hit the RB. I expect the RBs to have 60+ receptions this year.

I think Howie did quite well this off-season. No, we didn't get two all-pro DBs in a single draft. I think things like that tend to spoil us, lead us to think Howie did a bad job. We just have to get past that.

21 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

The change in scheme doesn't require a X type WR. They also got the consensus best WR on the board. I don't think drafting a player because he looks like the best replacement for AJ is the right choice. I agree with you on TE. I think there were more balanced prospects on the board that would be better fits. I think Howie got carried away of having a mismatch weapon because of his athletic testing without really think about utility in the scheme and the transistion to the NFL.

You still need a WR with the skillset to play on the LoS, the X wide receiver position has evolved to handle that problem. Wicks appears to be the answer at X this offseason because he has the release package to get off the line, but he isn't much of a deep threat which will allow CBs more leeway on how they play him and his hands aren't good so he might lose efficiency in short passing game where I expect him to be schemed.

I like Lemon's hands but in comparison to JJ, he's 2 inches shorter, his arms are 3 inches shorter, he's 0.1s slower and he's 10lbs lighter - that's a lot physically for the same point in the draft. I think Stowers is intriguing, but so was Oronde Gadsden and he went in the 5th specifically because he isn't very versatile.

48 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Just using this as a jumping off point, but I think the Biletnikoff is one of the most overrated awards people use when it comes to projecting how they will be in the NFL. The last 10 years it's been Corey Coleman, Dede Westbrook, James Washington, Jerry Jeudy, Ja'Marr Chase, DeVonta Smith, Jordan Addison, Jalin Hyatt, Marvin Harrison Jr. and Travis Hunter.

You have basically two studs, two big disappointments and one still unknown they are going to ruin by having him play DB. The rest is trash.

So out of that list, the first round picks were:

Chase & DeVonta - Studs

Jerry Jeudy & Jordan Addison - Competent above average WRs.

Marvin Harrions Jr: Not lived up to the hype but has been OK.

Travis Hunter - Playing CB this season mostly

Corey Coleman - Bust

If Lemon turns into Jordan Addison, that's a win. It's also not a bad hit rate for the award. It probably matches better than Heisman or Doak Walker awrds in terms of NFL success.

2 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

You still need a WR with the skillset to play on the LoS, the X wide receiver position has evolved to handle that problem. Wicks appears to be the answer at X this offseason because he has the release package to get off the line, but he isn't much of a deep threat which will allow CBs more leeway on how they play him and his hands aren't good so he might lose efficiency in short passing game where I expect him to be schemed.

I like Lemon's hands but in comparison to JJ, he's 2 inches shorter, his arms are 3 inches shorter, he's 0.1s slower and he's 10lbs lighter - that's a lot physically for the same point in the draft. I think Stowers is intriguing, but so was Oronde Gadsden and he went in the 5th specifically because he isn't very versatile.

I don't follow your argument. I think the question in the draft was which receiver was the best talent and would fit the offense. Lemon was the consensus best WR on the board at the pick where he was made regardless of traits. He was the consensus BPA on many boards when he was picked. He fits the scheme. You just said the Eagles had found an X in Wicks. Wicks, I agree, doesn't have AJ's talent. They do not need a WR that can beat man coverage in the same way they had to rely on AJ to beat it. Wicks will not be running the same vertical go routes that AJ was running. My question is who is the X receiver they should have drafted that as a replacement for AJ? I don't think Howie made an objectively bad choice. He had a process and stuck to their board. It may or may not pan out but I feel confident in their process at this point. It was not some reach pick.