2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I wasn’t super high or super low on the lemon pick. But it does concern me that he’s had hamstring issues since the time he’s gotten to the Eagles. I don’t think it’s long term but i do think it’ll hurt him getting into the flow of the scheme and offense early as a rookie. Imo you’re getting a guy who i think is a purely slot wide receiver. Don’t know if his athleticism or speed translate to the outside which is fine if wicks steps into the other outside role along side smith. Also it is great if he winds up being St Brown like the lions have. However, the lions also didn’t spend a first round pick to get him. He was a fourth round pick.

I understand why the Eagles did it because they felt the value was there. And I’m not gonna hate them for it or criticize them for it. However, I do think Justin Jefferson who had strong share of he’s only a slot had more upside to play the outside than lemon.

The stowers pick i really didn’t love it. I didn’t hate it. I understood why they did it. His athleticism and his ability if he learns to be a decent blocker could be tremendous upside. But at the same time, he’s a high risk high reward guy. Imo he’s either going to be a boom or bust type guy. I could see him making it or being like JJAW where he gets the ire of the fans. The Eagles don’t have much if any depth tight end their roster entering 2027 offseason besides him. So I would assume they add in free agency and one in the middle of the draft. However, if they take that tight end high in the 2027 draft, I think it kind of tells you what they saw this year in terms of his development and where they think he is Heading into the offseason. Reasonably I thought it always was just going to be a redshirt kind of season for him and year 2 is where you kinda hope he makes a jump. But then again I thought Jaylx hunt was gonna take two years to get to a point where he could be solid and he’s already blossoming into maybe a star prior to that. So I’m curious to see that position and what they do next off-season.

I wasn't a fan of the pick but that's because I didn't want a WR

16 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Campbell has the specs of an edge rusher…issue is he’s not good at it. It’s been tried in college and with the eagles.

Edge rusher specs make someone a plus plus athlete for an off ball LB. Issue is his instincts are average and that makes him average, even despite the great athleticism.

Edge is an explosive athlete downhill position. Off ball lb is an instinct read and react position.

Campbell paired up with Baun is good. Baun can be the field general while Campbell just has to worry about his own task at hand.

3 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I really don’t like the combination of these picks either because in my mind they play the same position (slot) and will have a hard time being on the field simultaneously.

Precisely my issue on draft night. Since then, I’ve actually felt better about Lemon. Injury sucks, but he’s athletic enough and his personality/makeup seems much better than what I saw at the combine. Can see a DeJean like trajectory. Also I think Jalen might end up throwing hospital balls across the middle this year, and Lemon is tough enough to eat those hits and still catch the ball.

Stowers seemed like a guy you’d have to change your offense to feature him and he’d still be meh. Didn’t get the pick then, still don’t.

10 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I wasn't a fan of the pick but that's because I didn't want a WR

What did you want?

39 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't follow your argument. I think the question in the draft was which receiver was the best talent and would fit the offense. Lemon was the consensus best WR on the board at the pick where he was made regardless of traits. He was the consensus BPA on many boards when he was picked. He fits the scheme. You just said the Eagles had found an X in Wicks. Wicks, I agree, doesn't have AJ's talent. They do not need a WR that can beat man coverage in the same way they had to rely on AJ to beat it. Wicks will not be running the same vertical go routes that AJ was running. My question is who is the X receiver they should have drafted that as a replacement for AJ? I don't think Howie made an objectively bad choice. He had a process and stuck to their board. It may or may not pan out but I feel confident in their process at this point. It was not some reach pick.

I think Wicks is the answer they came up with, I have my doubts he's going to be a good answer (speed, hands). Size, speed and good hands is transcendent, it's not just about beating man coverage.

Who would've I taken at X... Stribling early or Bryce Lance later on. For a slot only type, I'd be fine with Wetjen who went in the 4th.

Where we were picking in the 1st, I would've been excited to grab Thieneman. Iheanachor made sense to me, or Malachi Lawrence.

29 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I wasn't a fan of the pick but that's because I didn't want a WR

I can kinda understand that. But they were gonna have to take a wide receiver in one of the first two rounds (maybe 3) based off what they had. I just like Cooper better. He was majority slot in 2025, but he had played on the outside prior to that. I think there’s a better chance that he could play inside and outside then lemon. That said I can’t blame them if they valued lemon higher as a prospect. But to me, I was more ready for them to trade out of 23 and get more draft picks moving down.

The pick i liked the most was actually the bell pick just due to his size. Plus it gave them another option with cam williams, Hinton in the competition behind lane and mailata.

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Kendall was the #2 C in last year’s draft. He stole Lampkin. Majors was the.C for four years at UT. Both he and Williams came from the #1 college OL in 2024. Three Cs behind Cam. Lampkin is learning C. Kendall and Majors are learning G as is Hinton, who grew up in an NFL family. Morris slipped in the draft because he is a G only but extremely athletic. He’s learning both sides. Howie brought in Jordan, who has starting experience in the NFL. Fred Johnson can play G too. At T, Williams has the tools but is extremely young. All have technique refinement issues. Many are learning other positions. (Only Williams and Jordan seem to be playing their established positions of the backups). This year, Howie added Bell, who seems to be performing very well. He added Morris, who is extremely athletic for his size.

The hardest thing to do is change muscle memory. I don’t put much value in the Beats practice evaluations despite gobbling up all the TC/PS news. I suspect that there is a lot of thinking to do the technique right. (See Fangio’s comments about J Campbell, for example). I don’t know about Vrabel but Nick had the relationship with Stefanski so they would meet ahead of time to ask certain challenges for the players in the joint practices. Now Day 3 picks are a gamble but I like the Day 3 guys Howie has gambled on.

As to Milton v Landon. Milt gives lots of OL fits because of his speed and leverage. But I am not going to read a lot into that.

Look at Steen. He looked bad his first year and is beginning to show good results.

To your steen point, also can look at seumalo. He couldn’t win the starting job his 1st two years here. Then he finally got the chance year 3 and he became a very solid/good starting OG for us.

Tanner better get the start tomorrow.

3 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I really don’t like the combination of these picks either because in my mind they play the same position (slot) and will have a hard time being on the field simultaneously.

Same position? These guys end up lining everywhere along the LOS. When we line up 2x2, there are two receivers in the slot. Either Brown or Smith were regularly in the slot last season. The notion of redundancy at WR/TE doesn't apply much anymore.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I can kinda understand that. But they were gonna have to take a wide receiver in one of the first two rounds (maybe 3) based off what they had. I just like Cooper better. He was majority slot in 2025, but he had played on the outside prior to that. I think there’s a better chance that he could play inside and outside then lemon. That said I can’t blame them if they valued lemon higher as a prospect. But to me, I was more ready for them to trade out of 23 and get more draft picks moving down.

The pick i liked the most was actually the bell pick just due to his size. Plus it gave them another option with cam williams, Hinton in the competition behind lane and mailata.

Fwiw Cooper reports out of Jets camp is that Cooper has been really bad. Predicted to lose WR3 duties to Isaiah Williams.

WAY too early to rule on a guy but apparently it's been rough.

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Just using this as a jumping off point, but I think the Biletnikoff is one of the most overrated awards people use when it comes to projecting how they will be in the NFL. The last 10 years it's been Corey Coleman, Dede Westbrook, James Washington, Jerry Jeudy, Ja'Marr Chase, DeVonta Smith, Jordan Addison, Jalin Hyatt, Marvin Harrison Jr. and Travis Hunter.

You have basically two studs, two big disappointments and one still unknown they are going to ruin by having him play DB. The rest is trash.

Tbh McMillan should’ve won that award over Travis Hunter. He was the best WR in the country that year. Hunter had more tds cause Colorado was a much better team but mcmillain was the best overall wr (had more yards and high yards per catch as Hunter had more tds and receptions but also played with a better QB). Hunter was better overall player as he played cb and wr

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Fwiw Cooper reports out of Jets camp is that Cooper has been really bad. Predicted to lose WR3 duties to Isaiah Williams.

WAY too early to rule on a guy but apparently it's been rough.

Yeah i saw. Frankly i wanted to trade out of 23 and move down to get more picks as i thought we had holes at safety, TE (depth this year but long term no starter), WR, OT, potentially OG as Dickerson with the whole retirement thing worried me and eventually 2nd corner as woolen was signed for a year.

With cooper harder time knowing what cooper will or won’t be cause the jets are a dysfunctional mess. that coaching staff is clueless so they might ruin him regardless and I’m guessing probably aren’t helping his development.

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Same position? These guys end up lining everywhere along the LOS. When we line up 2x2, there are two receivers in the slot. Either Brown or Smith were regularly in the slot last season. The notion of redundancy at WR/TE doesn't apply much anymore.

Sounds like 10 personnel to me, is that what the base offense is?

1 hour ago, mikemack8 said:

JFC let's give the kids a chance to play a single MFing snap in a real game before we decide whether they're good picks or not - f'n dorks

43 minutes ago, mattwill said:

What did you want?

Well instead of Lemon and Stowers - we had Dillion Thieneman and McNeil Warren drop into our laps .. AND WE DID NOTHING !!! Bunch of BS

I thought about this before, if the Eagles get to the trade deadline, I am guessing the two positions they go look for our safety and wide receiver. And I don’t think it would be because a lemon didn’t play well. I think it would be because wick didn’t pan out the way they thought and they need another outside wide receiver. I kind of look at a team like Jacksonville, who has a plethora of wide receivers as a team that you probably could get that guy. Somebody like Brian Thomas jr I could see being traded at the deadline and somebody the Eagles would consider. I believe there were rumors tied to them and Thomas during that draft.

that said i actually like wick and his upside. His issue has always been catching the ball. Everything else if you talk to Green Bay fans and you listen to everybody who watched Green Bay film, it’s always about him catching the football. If he can put that together, I think they’re gonna be fine. But if he can’t, that’s when I think they’re gonna have to go out and get a wide receiver.

At safety I think it’s kind of self-explanatory. If Makuba can’t stay healthy (doesn’t make a jump in development) or Epps isn’t good enough they’ll make a move. Epps was solid last year but it is different having to do it for 17 weeks as opposed to just half a season. Carter I just don’t see him as a starter. I think he’s fine as a back up.

8 minutes ago, Chest Rockwell said:

They both were drafted at the virtually the same spot in the draft by the same team. They both seem to be reaches because that team was in need of a WR. Neither one of them stand out on film or look to project well on the outside in the NFL.

Glad I can help.

Lemon wasn't a reach

And Reagor wasn't mocked as a slot only guy. The most comped players for him coming out were DJ Moore and Steve Smith who were mostly outside guys. I saw some Randall Cobb comps too so it wasn't universal, but majority cited his "outside speed" as a "pro".

So really all you have is that the eagles drafted them in a similar spot. Otherwise they're totally different players and scenarios.

"Glad I can help". If you're going to be smarmy at least be right.

4 minutes ago, SinCityEaglesFan2 said:

Well instead of Lemon and Stowers - we had Dillion Thieneman and McNeil Warren drop into our laps .. AND WE DID NOTHING !!! Bunch of BS

McNeil is a guy i liked a lot. I wanted him just due to the uncertainty at the safety position. Epps isn’t a long term solution and who knows at this stage of his career if he can be a viable starter for 17 weeks. He was ok last year but he also didn’t start all 17 games. Issue with Makuba is he got hurt last year. He is still going to have some ups and downs. But if you had him and McNeil your safety position if everything worked out would’ve been set for a multiple years. Actually think they compliment each other well. That said still think a strong chance they trade for a safety at the deadline. (Nevermind as delpit signed an extension on July 30)

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Lemon wasn't a reach

And Reagor wasn't mocked as a slot only guy. The most comped players for him coming out were DJ Moore and Steve Smith who were mostly outside guys. I saw some Randall Cobb comps too so it wasn't universal, but majority cited his "outside speed" as a "pro".

So really all you have is that the eagles drafted them in a similar spot. Otherwise they're totally different players and scenarios.

"Glad I can help". If you're going to be smarmy at least be right.

He definitely wasn’t a reach by consensus. He was top ranked wr by a few analyst. Really I heard a few comparing him after the Eagles drafted him to st. Brown. Imo i don’t think he’s going to be a bust but i also don’t see him being like elite like st. Brown either. I think he winds up being solid.

I made the post above, if the Eagles are in the market for another wide receiver, I think it’s more because wick (or guys behind him) didn’t pan out the way they thought. now they wanna go out and get another guy to play opposite of devonta while having smith, lemon on the field.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

McNeil is a guy i liked a lot. I wanted him just due to the uncertainty at the safety position. Epps isn’t a long term solution and who knows at this stage of his career if he can be a viable starter for 17 weeks. He was ok last year but he also didn’t start all 17 games. Issue with Makuba is he got hurt last year. He is still going to have some ups and downs. But if you had him and McNeil your safety position if everything worked out would’ve been set for a multiple years. Actually think they compliment each other well. That said still think a strong chance they trade for a safety at the deadline. Browns are interesting as have McNeil-Warren and delpit but they aren’t going to be good and delpit is a free agent at the end of the year.

Delpit signed a three year contract extension so doubt he goes anywhere.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

1 minute ago, Eagles1960 said:

Delpit signed a three year contract extension so doubt he goes anywhere.

I must’ve missed where he signed the three-year extension. But you’re right I didn’t even know he did. I knew he was coming up on being a free agent so he must’ve recently signed that.

$50M a year for that bum Stroud is a massive overpay - there's no planet where he's sniffing 70

9 minutes ago, Chest Rockwell said:

Good use of the word Smarmy

You can cite draft projections all you want. Fact is, the Eagles reached for Reagor because they were desperate for a WR and he never really showed the ability to play on the outside in the NFL. He was a gadget when they needed more. Fast forward to 2026, the Eagles were in a similar spot where they felt like they needed to draft a WR with the pending AJB move. They got a guy who is just "meh”, to me, regardless of his Belitnkoff award. But alas, he’s been projected to be a slot guy and possibly used as a gadget whenever he’s ready to go.

My original point stands. He’s more Reagor than he is JJ.

A reach is when you draft a Jonathan Harris in the first round when he was projected to be a third round pick. Lemon was picked where he was rated. The Steelers obviously felt the same way. He may flop, he may be great, but at the time of the draft he wasn't a reach.

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

I also agree.

Agreed but in green, so agreend