Just now, vikas83 said:

If we are going to make a change at head coach, I know guys like Doyle or another offensive play caller will be hot names. And I would be thrilled if Doyle came here. But…hear me out.

Any coach here has to allow Howie to control the roster, and that likely hurts us with guys who have multiple options. One name - a guy who has limited options and may be blackballed - is coaching the best defense in the NFL for an undefeated team.

How do we feel about Brian Flores? I would love to see his defense with our players.

No, needs to be an offensive head coach. I'm done with the days of losing a bright OC every time we get them. The system and QB combination is the backbone of every NFL team. We need to find the next elite offensive mind and pair them with a QB(whether it's Hurts or someone else and I strongly suspect it'll be someone else in round 1 either in 2027 or 2028). Flores just repeats the same Sirianni dilemma all over again.

Just now, vikas83 said:

If we are going to make a change at head coach, I know guys like Doyle or another offensive play caller will be hot names. And I would be thrilled if Doyle came here. But…hear me out.

Any coach here has to allow Howie to control the roster, and that likely hurts us with guys who have multiple options. One name - a guy who has limited options and may be blackballed - is coaching the best defense in the NFL for an undefeated team.

How do we feel about Brian Flores? I would love to see his defense with our players.

Love Flores. Always prefer offensive minds in general, but he's a strong leader and he'll likely bring in top end OC candidates because they'll get full play calling ability, a good GM and what should be an elite defense. Easy pipeline to a HC gig.

17 minutes ago, NOTW said:

It's odd to think of firing another SB winning HC so soon again. Some have said it raises concerns for potential candidates to feel they have too short a leash. I think they've progressed through different things they've wanted in a HC.

• Reid brought winning and stability and was here the longest.

• Chip they took a gamble on the innovative choice

• Doug they went back to Reid's tree and wanted someone to connect with the players

• Nick worked with Reich so that was a connection and they wanted a coach to set up the offense

This year they hired Mannion from the outside to implement a new scheme. He may be a good OC eventually, he's been making some improvements and it's tough with the injury list he's working with. But my guess is they don't want to fire a HC so often. They want the next version of Andy Reid type: an offensive minded coach with a system to install and the ability to hire quality OCs and train them up, and support them if they're struggling. Nick seems to have no answers on offense. They are likely tired of changing coaches so often. If the OC is so good he gets hired as a HC, fine that happens. But they need stability and performance out of the offense not changing it up every year.

Does Nick get another HC job if/when he’s fired?

Going price for veterans on expiring deals backs up that Howie overplayed for Greenard

11 hours ago, kiwieagle said:

Yeah I would move Woolen if we can.

Always been the story with him - inconsistency. You will get great games mixed in with terrible ones

When your defense has 0 sacks and 0 QB hits your secondary is going to be left holding the blame. What really made me mad is that we let one of the better passers in the league sit back and pick us a part for pretty much the whole game. You can blame Riq but the problem was not getting any pressure.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

No, needs to be an offensive head coach. I'm done with the days of losing a bright OC every time we get them. The system and QB combination is the backbone of every NFL team. We need to find the next elite offensive mind and pair them with a QB(whether it's Hurts or someone else and I strongly suspect it'll be someone else in round 1 either in 2027 or 2028). Flores just repeats the same Sirianni dilemma all over again.

I just don’t know if those guys are coming here with no say on the roster.

Just now, Saltpeter said:

He was a disappointment even before that. Looks amazing when the QB is wearing a red jersey.

Just now, vikas83 said:

Ok. But the 5 games before the injury? All we heard was he was dominant in camp. Now he’s the DE version of Na Brown.

it’s easier to say because he didn’t have the sacks that he wasn’t playing well. But I would argue he was actually getting good pressure.

Not only that he left last night‘s game to go into the blue medical tent. So he re-injured himself trying to play in a game he should’ve been playing.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

I just don’t know if those guys are coming here with no say on the roster.

Letting them pick their QB would probably help

Just now, Vileborg said:

When your defense has 0 sacks and 0 QB hits your secondary is going to left holding the blame. What really made me mad is that we let one of the better passers in the league sit back and pick us a part for pretty much the whole game. You can blame Riq but the problem was not getting any pressure.

I agree pass rush was the big issue yesterday but Woolen didn’t have a good game either.

He has been up and down this year which is his history (more up than down). He is also here on a 1 year contract on a team going nowhere - it’s a no brainer to try and move him. I wouldn’t have that view if we were contending

35 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Honestly - the whole defense basically laid down last night. Which is stunning - they were keeping an inept offense in games for weeks before getting exhausted in Q4 due to playing too many snaps. Last night it felt like no one wanted to be out there other than Q. Letting Dallas run all over them is embarrassing.

This falls on Nick.

I'd add Vic as well, but yes mostly Nick and coaching in general. They obviously aren't communicating the need for playing with effort and urgency enough. The only player I saw really playing with urgency was Mukuba when he would come up and make strong hits after the RB had already gotten 8+ yards. At least he was trying despite his size and skills, he was at least getting a hat in there. The rest of the team seemed too interested in molesting the runners trying to get the ball out than to actually F'n tackle.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

No, needs to be an offensive head coach. I'm done with the days of losing a bright OC every time we get them. The system and QB combination is the backbone of every NFL team. We need to find the next elite offensive mind and pair them with a QB(whether it's Hurts or someone else and I strongly suspect it'll be someone else in round 1 either in 2027 or 2028). Flores just repeats the same Sirianni dilemma all over again.

Hard disagree. Flores is a top tier DC. Siri doesn't excel at anything in particular.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

it’s easier to say because he didn’t have the sacks that he wasn’t playing well. But I would argue he was actually getting good pressure.

Not only that he left last night‘s game to go into the blue medical tent. So he re-injured himself trying to play in a game he should’ve been playing.

Further proof that the analytical philosophy that pressures are more important than sacks is complete hogwosh.

14 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

We have 8 sacks through 7 games. I can’t really wrap my head around that. 3 each for JC and Nolan. 1 from Campbell and half each for JD and Trotter.

Hunt has been an enormous disappointment. Greenard as well but hopefully that’s due to injury.

Was pointing this out the last 2 weeks, while getting mocked. 😅

Bottom in sacks. Bottom in quick pressure rate. Bottom in tackling. Bottom in turnovers. No playmakers on this defense.

I remember people used to dismiss CJGJ and failed to look at that aspect of his game. Makuba can only do that in his wet dreams. Miss Dean. Miss Williams. Miss Blank. An average or below average safety which says a lot. But at least was a captain back there and kept them organized. Miss BG for babysitting this immature and low IQ group. Alot of missing ingredients here.

If we fire Sirianni, I’d think Steichen would be the top choice for HC if the Colts fire him. Good playcaller, would probably bring Stoutland back and work well with him. Has gotten career years out of Hurts and Daniel Jones. Continuity with Hurts if Hurts is still here. Not gonna chase some fad that we don’t have the personnel for.

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I just don’t know if those guys are coming here with no say on the roster.

One of these guys will be the coach next year:

Steichen

Doyle

Udinski

Idzik

I lean Steichen because of past relationship and from what I understand Lurie loves him.

8 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

How do we feel about Brian Flores? I would love to see his defense with our players.

Yeh, for the record I am against that.

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Hard disagree. Flores is a top tier DC. Siri doesn't excel at anything in particular.

I think it was the revolving door at OC he was talking about

1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:

Hard disagree. Flores is a top tier DC. Siri doesn't excel at anything in particular.

I mean dilemma with the offense. Defense until this season has not been an issue under Sirianni since Fangio got here. Their issues have long been offensive. You want to pair a franchise QB with an elite offensive mind that can't be plucked away and the only way to ensure that is if that mind is a head coach and not an OC.

7 minutes ago, Vileborg said:

When your defense has 0 sacks and 0 QB hits your secondary is going to be left holding the blame. What really made me mad is that we let one of the better passers in the league sit back and pick us a part for pretty much the whole game. You can blame Riq but the problem was not getting any pressure.

I was quite surprised at the lack of pressure, I am curious as to what the blitz rate was. I can't recall any blitzes last night and Dak has struggled against it the last few games.

11 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

No, needs to be an offensive head coach. I'm done with the days of losing a bright OC every time we get them. The system and QB combination is the backbone of every NFL team. We need to find the next elite offensive mind and pair them with a QB(whether it's Hurts or someone else and I strongly suspect it'll be someone else in round 1 either in 2027 or 2028). Flores just repeats the same Sirianni dilemma all over again.

Nah we'd have the Seahawks issue. It's similar but not the same.

15 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I still think when Fangio retires it's going to be Jim Schwartz as DC. Fangio will be here next season, he's already informed the team he'll be back next year, but Schwartz could be 2028.

Is that real? I thought Fangio was thinking of retirement this past summer?

I kinda just assumed this was his last year.

9 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

If we are going to make a change at head coach, I know guys like Doyle or another offensive play caller will be hot names. And I would be thrilled if Doyle came here. But…hear me out.

Any coach here has to allow Howie to control the roster, and that likely hurts us with guys who have multiple options. One name - a guy who has limited options and may be blackballed - is coaching the best defense in the NFL for an undefeated team.

How do we feel about Brian Flores? I would love to see his defense with our players.

This team needs a culture change. Seems like alot of players have been sniffing themselves since the Superbowl. Brian Flores should be on the top of their list.

Wonder how they feel about Mannion. Sure, he has had his growing pains but they definitely showed improvment last night. I know some might mock it but I like that he took the initiative this past week to make everyone on O accountable in a group setting. The FO thought so highly of him when they brought him in so idk if they would try to keep in the building even with a coaching change.

9 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Does Nick get another HC job if/when he’s fired?

Straight away maybe not but after a year off ala Doug, yeah I think so.

Some team will look at the record and give him a go. 2 SB appearances and 1 win, only missed playoffs once in an injury riddled year.

14 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Eagles got more for Jurgens than Colts did for Nelson who is a far superior player. Shows you what youth buys.

Ojomo is going to fetch a lot more than people think.

Not just youth, but years of control. A FA to be typically fetches less than a player with multiple years left on his contract. Plus, I think Howie really took Baltimore to the woodshed because teams don’t typically have a backup center they’re ready to start.