1 minute ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Good moment to remind everyone Howie got a 2nd rounder for a backup caliber guard

I was drooling for this kind of trade about 2-3 weeks ago til I realized we were pretenders. Seahawks are right back up there again. With that defense and this trade. Yes, Howie has been good at robbing peeps in the AJ and Jurgens trades. Both a shell of themselves. Needs to continue that path.

2 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

Speaking of which played his first Ravens game. Didn’t watch game and he had a terrible rep against Lawrence which would be the pressure but seems like he held up in pass blocking. Definitely a natural centre and not a guard. Their running game was crap though.

But it's the Bengals defense

Just now, justwinbaby said:

Ha they sure do hate me. That's ok. Vic said it this training camp he would be here at least 2 years maybe more. Right before this season started.

Lolol - I meant him, maybe he should go before he's hated and not remembered for being a champion DC here. Noone hates you bud 😂

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Listening to Sirius nfl they talked about not just the lawsuit vs. nfl part where he’s going to be found to have some incriminating evidence against the nfl/dolphins. But they had insiders and beats talk about his coaching in general. It was not flattering for him either. based off of what a couple of the beat writers and people who were close to the situation, he had a bunch of issues with players and treated guys poorly. He was kind of a Dbag even if he proves dolphins and the nfl were discriminatory

Those were the same kinds of reports we got about Fangio in Miami too though. Common denominator being maybe the Dolphins are soft as hell. Would explain why they remain bottom feeders while both Flores and Fangio went on the have elite defenses elsewhere.

29 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Ok. But the 5 games before the injury? All we heard was he was dominant in camp. Now he’s the DE version of Na Brown.

Does Joe Ostman mean nothing to you?

1 hour ago, Saltpeter said:

This is why context matters.

Top 1 RB

Top 5ish WR, top 15ish WR

Top 3 OL

Top 10 TE

That’s what we had in 2024 and it took a bunch of drama to get a winning offense out of it.

And it took the defensive coordinator of a generation coming here just because he happened to grow up here and wanted to end his career here.

The only good thing Sirianni has shown is the kind of puppy dog stupidity to fall completely in line with the organization and put on a genuine face for the players. There’s some value in that, but when there’s no brain behind it, years like this happen. We’ve collapsed in 2023, 2025, and completely crumbled this year.

Hurts is much more debatable, but he’s just gonna age like milk. If he comes back fully cleared, this is a franchise changing selling window.

Well, Nick had success and got to a super bowl before Fangio, and he arguably could've won that game had his DC not mentally checked out. The field also sucked too. Anyway, years like this are due to injuries. I think Nick's dumb decisions cost us 2 games this season, but I also don't think he's in those positions with a healthy team.

2023 we collapsed due to the league's worst defense. 2025 wasn't really a collapse as we were pretty inconsistent and bad offensively all season. Patullo was bad, but we also had poor OL play. Plus, high turnover at the OC position is never a good thing. Teams (and QB's) don't generally have success when a new OC/scheme is installed each year. Now you guys are talking about blowing it all up entirely and thinking lightning is just going to strike again.

22 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I just don’t know if those guys are coming here with no say on the roster.

Steichen is the smart money.

@TEW ....I agree with you on a lot, but you think of Howie and Lurie a little bit differently than I do. It's not that they haven't done an incredible job (2 SB's tell us they have)...but they have a way of doing business that is not going to be for everyone. I know all owners have egos and want to dabble in the affairs of the team. Howie has certainly earned that level of trust, but he is GM for life. Prospective coaches will know that they have to be deferential on personnel, will get overruled on assistant coach transactions, AND will fall on the sword before the GM does. That's not for everyone.

Steichen has had success here before and knows the hierarchy. He's also soon-to-be-fired. So he's not going to be on the top of everyone's list. If anyone with a combination of experience and youth can also buy into the program here, it's him.

The Colts have an interim GM making trades. There is literally no pressure on him to get all value because he will not be the GM making picks. If he gets 80 percent of max value, that’s probably good enough to him.

6 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I thought they'd get more for him. Good trade for Seattle is right.

Just like that. Went from 49ers-Chiefs Superbowl. Feeling Seahawks-Bills.

Lurie has never hired a defensive head coach; I don't think it's in his makeup. He had Andy as an architect, Chip who was supposed to be an architect, then Doug and Nick who are more "emotionally intelligent" at dealing with the modern-day NFL player.

Regardless of which direction they go -- whether it be stick with Mannion and Sirianni one more year or bring in a new regime -- Howie needs to focus on rebuilding the trenches. They need a bonafide finisher off the edge and build up the IOL talent again. Hopefully Greenard can find his form later this season. As far as a new offensive scheme goes, it was a mistake to try to push that in with the same QB who is only effective as a dual-threat. Ideally, you'd want to draft your next QB and pair him with an offensive architect -- which may be what they end up doing in 2028.

I hated the thought of watching Hurts regress for two more years before they could get out of his contract. With him out for this season, he'll have time to heal up by March, and the Eagles will know medically which way they need to go at the draft.

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d argue that Seattle’s head coach is very good at implementing his defense and maximizing his defense. Our head coach does not call plays. Is not a great Xs and Os coach to begin with and before the year made switches from the offense he came up through the coaching ranks with. Sirianni is more of a CEO coach than the Seahawks. Macdonald doesn’t run the offense but he does more than just CEO HC

Yup, that's what I'm getting at. The original post was talking about we'd have the Sirianni issue if we hired Flores, but we wouldn't, we'd have (ostensibly) a Vic with more modern ideas who calls plays on D, but yes we'd still need to worry about our OC getting poached every year, but at least the D would be set and wouldn't be dependent on DC. Right now we're lucky that Vic doesn't want to go anywhere, but if he did, we'd have to worry about both sides being poached....right now we just have to worry about one side retiring.

Edit: But as other in here have said, I'd prefer an O minded coach. Steichen would be good, has proven he can get things out of Hurts (if they keep him) and that he can function as part of a good team of coaches and can call plays, but I'd prefer someone more innovative.

1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:

Those were the same kinds of reports we got about Fangio in Miami too though. Common denominator being maybe the Dolphins are soft as hell. Would explain why they remain bottom feeders while both Flores and Fangio went on the have elite defenses elsewhere.

I would point out neither one of them became head coaches since that. They might just be better as coordinators than they are as head coaches. Can say the players are soft, however, you have to deal with the players and get them to respond to you as a head coach. At some point in time if you piss off enough players like Flores and Josh McDaniels did you’re gonna get fired.

2 hours ago, mikemack8 said:

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

Very cool!

This dude in the back looks like he's reaching for his gun, what did you say to Lurie?!!! 🤣

"Free Palestine"?

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Lurie has never hired a defensive head coach; I don't think it's in his makeup. He had Andy as an architect, Chip who was supposed to be an architect, then Doug and Nick who are more "emotionally intelligent" at dealing with the modern-day NFL player.

Regardless of which direction they go -- whether it be stick with Mannion and Sirianni one more year or bring in a new regime -- Howie needs to focus on rebuilding the trenches. They need a bonafide finisher off the edge and build up the IOL talent again. Hopefully Greenard can find his form later this season. As far as a new offensive scheme goes, it was a mistake to try to push that in with the same QB who is only effective as a dual-threat. Ideally, you'd want to draft your next QB and pair him with an offensive architect -- which may be what they end up doing in 2028.

I hated the thought of watching Hurts regress for two more years before they could get out of his contract. With him out for this season, he'll have time to heal up by March, and the Eagles will know medically which way they need to go at the draft.

Ray was the first coach he hired

1 minute ago, St0nedsk8er said:

Lolol - I meant him, maybe he should go before he's hated and not remembered for being a champion DC here. Noone hates you bud 😂

Hah I got you. I'm not so sure about that but thanks. You may be right too. Came into the season expecting a top 5 at worst defense. Going to turn people real quick playing with this effort and tackling alone. Directly tied to coaching.

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

"Free Palestine"?

That's why he has that grin. 😅

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Lurie has never hired a defensive head coach; I don't think it's in his makeup. He had Andy as an architect, Chip who was supposed to be an architect, then Doug and Nick who are more "emotionally intelligent" at dealing with the modern-day NFL player.

Regardless of which direction they go -- whether it be stick with Mannion and Sirianni one more year or bring in a new regime -- Howie needs to focus on rebuilding the trenches. They need a bonafide finisher off the edge and build up the IOL talent again. Hopefully Greenard can find his form later this season. As far as a new offensive scheme goes, it was a mistake to try to push that in with the same QB who is only effective as a dual-threat. Ideally, you'd want to draft your next QB and pair him with an offensive architect -- which may be what they end up doing in 2028.

I hated the thought of watching Hurts regress for two more years before they could get out of his contract. With him out for this season, he'll have time to heal up by March, and the Eagles will know medically which way they need to go at the draft.

Ray Rhodes.

@vikas83 that pic of you guys with Kelce is great

19 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

I've said this for years now. The fan hype about each QB class goes like this:

Fall: This QB draft class is loaded, gonna be a great year to draft a QB.

Jan/Feb: The QB draft class isn't what it was hyped to be, there's only 1 or 2 worth taking high.

Draft week: these QBs aren't really worth it, maybe 1. If other teams reach for QBs that lets other talent fall to us. Maybe grab one in round 2.

Draft day when QBs fall into late round 1 or round 2: this QB draft class was weak. But NEXT year's class is loaded!

Next fall: This QB draft class is loaded, gonna be a great year to draft a QB.

Exactly what I thought about when I saw that last night.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Ray Rhodes.

Screwed over Vermeil in the process. What could have been...

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I would point out neither one of them became head coaches since that. They might just be better as coordinators than they are as head coaches. Can say the players are soft, however, you have to deal with the players and get them to respond to you as a head coach. At some point in time if you piss off enough players like Flores and Josh McDaniels did you’re gonna get fired.

Fangio was a DC only in Miami already and nearing retirement. Flores is almost 25 years younger. That's kind of a different situation as far as getting a new HC gig. And I'd argue Miami firing Flores had a lot more to do with a hot young HC candidate becoming available in McDaniels than him pissing off players.

If Howie were to be a a buyer, it should only be for young guys at the end of their rookie deal that don't want to sign with their team. Like, the Jets have been a farm team for the rest of the NFL who they got? 🤣