1 minute ago, Godfather said:

Yea. I'm sure they'll try covering that up too

You would know after voting for one.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

I dunno if this was posted already but it was apparently Moore who got cursed out, not Wicks

I forgot about that. I was too busy yelling at Nick for those dope 4th down calls

I dunno if this was already posted but it was Moore who got cursed at, not Wicks

10 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Ok I'll play along, if you were only referring to Brian Johnson and Patullo, then why did you put "failed OCs" in quotes like that? You weren't trying to imply they were actually good OCs that were only made to look worse precisely because of Hurts?

Shane Steichen's first year how did he find success? Kellen Moore looked like his offense was going to fail until after the bye week. What key thing did he change that led to success? Go back and look at Brian Johnson's offense, the numbers actually weren't bad at all. But what led to his failure? I know the answers, do you?

That Greenard trade is looking exceptionally rough right now.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The pass rush is more of a problem than Campbell. Stafford turns to mush the second you get near him and they only sacked him once. And he had all day the final two drives. One sack on that final drive probably ends that game.

Where's Jordan Davis and this "ready to break out" Jalyx Hunt?

Tired of hearing about pressures, go bring a QB the F down my god.

I bought into the Hunt training camp hype. He’s been the most disappointing player to me so far based on what my expectations were.

14 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

On paper in August there absolutely was an argument to be made they could be.

Were we to expect Carter and Davis to be that invisible?

Greenard can be as good as Sweat. Riq and Q are as good if not better as CB1/2. Safety we knew Epps was a downgrade. We had a backup LB in the SB. No reason Campbell couldn't be better.

There was a lot of excitement and they aren't living up to it. Smith looked more like that guy in the first half before getting burned out.

I think the defense could make the case if Mukuba, Greenard and Epps/carter filled their roles as promised. And hunt also takes a leap. However the offense i don’t think anyone could say that. Fans hate AJ brown but that guy is a top 10 wr. You had two pro bowl caliber WRs, Saquon in the middle of his prime, goedert was two years younger and the OL was healthy. Not sure the offense was ever going to be better than 2024 unless OL got significantly healthy, wicks/lemon were much better than we expected and goedert found the fountain of youth or Stowers hit. Defense i think the case could’ve been made.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The pass rush is more of a problem than Campbell. Stafford turns to mush the second you get near him and they only sacked him once. And he had all day the final two drives. One sack on that final drive probably ends that game.

Where's Jordan Davis and this "ready to break out" Jalyx Hunt?

Tired of hearing about pressures, go bring a QB the F down my god.

Starting to think Davis only shows up in the 2nd half of the season

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

That Greenard trade is looking exceptionally rough right now.

There were red flags with that trade. He had missed 16 games in 4 years, 29, coming off a season ending injury, had to give up draft capital and give him an extension.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

That Greenard trade is looking exceptionally rough right now.

I got the impression that was a Howie move because of Vic in his PCs. I could be wrong but that's just the vibe I've had while watching them

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

You would know after voting for one.

I haven't voted since I retired from the army in 2016. 👍👍

Just now, Appalachian_Eagle said:

Shane Steichen's first year how did he find success? Kellen Moore looked like his offense was going to fail until after the bye week. What key thing did he change that led to success? Go back and look at Brian Johnson's offense, the numbers actually weren't bad at all. But what led to his failure? I know the answers, do you?

So now you were referring to Steichen and Moore after all? You're all over the place on this, pick an argument and try to build a case around it rather than waffling. Brian Johnson and Kevin Patullo are on other teams now, if they are talented offensive minds they'll become OCs again soon enough and find success with their teams. If they don't, it's because they aren't talented, not because of anything Jalen Hurts did.

2 minutes ago, Appalachian_Eagle said:

Shane Steichen's first year how did he find success? Kellen Moore looked like his offense was going to fail until after the bye week. What key thing did he change that led to success? Go back and look at Brian Johnson's offense, the numbers actually weren't bad at all. But what led to his failure? I know the answers, do you?

I don’t think I’ll ever understand the Brian Johnson move, but keep in the mind the horrible defense that year with Desai/Patricia……

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

There were red flags with that trade. He had missed 16 games in 4 years, 29, coming off a season ending injury, had to give up draft capital and give him an extension.

He’s played about 6 quarters with 2 injuries… 4 games into the season with zero production and one costly offsides.

Can only get better from here. But when injuries start to come in succession at that age, you worry.

2 minutes ago, Godfather said:

I haven't voted since I retired from the army in 2016. 👍👍

Oh ok, so you just defend an adjudicated rapist for the love of the game. That's fun.

2 minutes ago, Godfather said:

I haven't voted since I retired from the army in 2016

"If voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it"- Mark Twain

12 minutes ago, Lambo said:

A subjective award. Allen and Burrow finished right behind him, and had better numbers.

Hurts was objectively awesome that year. They should have won the SB

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

I’m guessing then it has to be something major health wise in his family.

14 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

So we really have a Jihaad Campbell problem. That draft is starting to look like a train wreck outside of Kendall.

Rams went after him. Especially on the goal line run. If Zach can play, then #11 needs to sit and rotate in. Just how it is now.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Oh ok, so you just defend an adjudicated rapist for the love of the game. That's fun.

Go take another hit on your bong and then bring it to the right forum, in whichever order you prefer.

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

So now you were referring to Steichen and Moore after all? You're all over the place on this, pick an argument and try to build a case around it rather than waffling. Brian Johnson and Kevin Patullo are on other teams now, if they are talented offensive minds they'll become OCs again soon enough and find success with their teams. If they don't, it's because they aren't talented, not because of anything Jalen Hurts did.

I'm not waffling on anything. You brought up Steichen and Moore. So I asked why their offenses were successful. You failed to answer any of the questions I asked. Because you know the answer but you don't want to admit it. I asked several questions and you ignored them all and steered the argument in the direction you want it to go without any of it pertaining to the discussion.

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

That Greenard trade is looking exceptionally rough right now.

he looks exceptionally good. when he is on the field.

Yup, give me Baun and Trotter. Campbell is a liability.

Coaching was the #1 issue today. Yes they have 99 other problems. Noted. But they had enough people that stepped up to steal that one, even without all the horses. But Jurgens hijacking Hurts at the goal line and the Q injury play were momentum killers and Rams knew they had hope.