Just now, Swoop said:

I didn't, that's right.

So put the stones down. You trapped yourself in that glass house for a while now.

5 minutes ago, devpool said:

BJ was that bad though, he was just as bad as the defense but was shielded by elite talent while the defense didn't really have that.

They were 7th in scoring that year, and.could run the ball and pass. Yeah they had talent but name me a top 10 offense ever that didnt have talent.

Meanwhile the defense was ranked 30th out of 32, they were a joke.

Was BJ the best OC ever? No, and he wasn't the worst ever either

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

So put the stones down. You're trapped in that glass house for a while now.

Just as soon as you answer my question.

But you can't.

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

AJ was a real difference maker from '21 to '22. We ran quite a bit more RPO and slants as well. Moore brought more motion and checks at the LOS that Johnson's offense lacked. That Saquon Barkley guy coming here was pretty good too.

I agree AJ made a huge difference in 22, but I'm talking about strictly 21. Both the 21 and 24 offenses struggled until they made adjustments and leaned heavily on the running game. Without a successful running game to lean on, Hurts is abysmal. The only outlier was 22, but like I said, he has regressed every year since then.

1 minute ago, Appalachian_Eagle said:

Without a successful running game to lean on

Most QBs need to.

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Just as soon as you answer my question.

But you can't.

He's a limited QB but not to the extent you're claiming. If he were, we wouldn't have a second ring right now.

Re: 4th down calls. I think one of the issues with Siri is over-correcting. He was mad about the non-call from last game and over-corrected today, without perspective of who was on the field / state of the team.

1st call: Complete silliness for the situation of game and field position. Super Dumb. No need to take the risk and gift points to the Rams up 10. Was a long Tush Push needed there. Luckily the D bailed us out.

2nd call: I was on the 'Take the points' side and going up 13. Key to the rationale being if they get 2TDs, you only need a FG and not a TD. You are playing with O missing all their best players. But I can more easily understand the justification for this than the above because if you take the FG, you are letting the Rams set up in much more advantageous field position to get 1 of those 2 TDs. A TD there gets close to ending the game by making it a 3 score game with downside being to leave them 98 yards to go and backing your D to make a stop there. You want to end the game there and not have to rely on your broken offense to put together another drive if they do get a couple of TDs which they ended up doing and the O proved entirely useless. I might not agree with it but I can understand the logic somewhat.

I know this will be unpopular because a lot of folks tend to judge the decision to go for it based on the eventual outcome but in summary - I am more made about him going for the first one, and less so the second one.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

He's a limited QB but not to the extent you're claiming. If he were, we wouldn't have a second ring right now.

You're still not answering the question

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

You're still not answering the question

He's improved at throws over the middle and deep ball accuracy. Not a ton, but notable. Throwing hot is a function of play design and LOS communication.

This is apparently what BG said about Lane Johnson. We should probably pump the brakes on what aggregator Twitter accounts/random idiots on Twitter say for clout.

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

He's a limited QB but not to the extent you're claiming. If he were, we wouldn't have a second ring right now.

2000 yard rusher, and the defense won that super bowl

As I said multiple times in the offseason, their biggest problem is a lack of talent on offense and the enormous amount of salary cap invested into that limited talent.

They have so much money wrapped up in Hurts, Lane Johnson, Dickerson, Jurgens, Barkley, Devonta Smith, Mailata. And, right now, only the last 2 are performing at an appropriate level.

And, sadly but perversely fortunately, they have absolutely no one on offense that needs a contract extension. So it’s going to be progressively feasible to keep guys. They’ll dunk their money into their corners and then will have to carpet bomb the offense with new draft picks as the aforementioned players come off the books. Problem is they started that with the 2026 draft and those two don’t exactly look like the foundation of a future SB offense.

6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Most QBs need to.

Agreed. But these were basically running offenses designed to keep the ball out of Hurts hands as much as possible. Hurts is nothing more than a game manager and a poor one at that. Let me ask you this, would you give Hurts another contract extension?

Just now, Lambo said:

2000 yard rusher, and the defense won that super bowl

And yet Swoop was blue in the face for weeks preceding it, saying it wasn't gonna happen because Hurts was holding us back.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

He's improved at throws over the middle and deep ball accuracy. Not a ton, but notable. Throwing hot is a function of play design and LOS communication.

But the Hurts supporters said he could always throw over the middle - so which is it?

1 minute ago, Appalachian_Eagle said:

Agreed. But these were basically running offenses designed to keep the ball out of Hurts hands as much as possible. Hurts is nothing more than a game manager and a poor one at that. Let me ask you this, would you give Hurts another contract extension?

Anyone who says yes needs to remember to puff puff pass.

1 minute ago, Appalachian_Eagle said:

Agreed. But these were basically running offenses designed to keep the ball out of Hurts hands as much as possible. Hurts is nothing more than a game manager and a poor one at that. Let me ask you this, would you give Hurts another contract extension?

It's fair to call him a game manager, but I'd frame it more as a system QB. However, it's honestly insane that you'd say he's a poor game manager given our two runs in 2022 and 2024. That screams a level of bias that undermines the credibility of everything else you have to say.

25 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I could see them being 2-4 after next 3 games. Jags might be the best team in the afc. Imo better defense than the chiefs and i like coen. Carolina in Carolina isn’t easy. We nearly lost that game in 2024 if not for a wr drop and Carolina isn’t good but neither are we. Dallas at home on MNF. Imo toss up game as disgusting as it sounds to say that

Panthers game is here I believe

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

But the Hurts supporters said he could always throw over the middle - so which is it?

You asked for an area he improved in and I answered. Seems like you didn't like my answer so now you're trying to build a strawman.

As much as I love BG, I think it’s kind of bush league how he, at times, runs his mouth and plays into the gossip/drama. Whatever Lane is going through is his battle and doesn’t need to be laid out there.

The throw was bad, but look at the route spacing. This is incredible stuff.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

You asked for an area he improved in and I answered. Seems like you didn't like my answer so now you're trying to build a strawman.

Im asking for clarification:

Either he's always been able to do it or he's gotten better (while you haven't provided any actual numbers for this).

Frankly, I think any head coach of the Eagles that the fans don't adore probably needs to be fired immediately just to make the environment of football in Philadelphia less toxic. If the city doesn't like you, it doesn't really matter what you do, they'll always complain about you. Andy Reid, Chip Kelly, and even Doug had moments where their decisions and bad habits cost the team games. This includes the odd history through basically the entire 2000's of the Eagles refusing to have a system to throw hot.

None of them got as much heat for it. Fire him. And any time the Eagles fanbase doesn't like a coach, fire them too.

I'm at the point where this is about enjoyment for me, so let's go back to the days of likable coach that doesn't win anything, where we're at least happy we stole the division from the Cowboys. Deal?

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

It's fair to call him a game manager, but I'd frame it more as a system QB. However, it's honestly insane that you'd say he's a poor game manager given our two runs in 2022 and 2024. That screams a level of bias that undermines the credibility of everything else you have to say.

Why? His only good complete season (regular and post season) was in 2022 and he was excellent in that super bowl. We've never seen that Hurts again. He's only gotten worse and worse. 2024 he did basically nothing but ride Saquon and that defense to a super bowl. As for his actual performance in the super bowl we won, it was also pretty good, but the Chiefs were so concerned with stopping Saquon that they forgot to do anything else. Those performances were obviously the outlier of how he usually plays.

That ball almost went more over Darren Wallers head than most posts I’ve seen today