1 minute ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

So, you simply disagree with any coach that delegates play-calling at any point in time, and does anything other than the same as what Shanahan does for the 49ers? That's certainly an opinion, but everyone's entitled to one?

Ideally you have a coach that can own one side of the ball, so that you limit your turnover to the other side.

25 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Benefit of the doubt on what? I'm not one of the people on here crying about Hurts because they expect him to be a different QB. He's not Josh or Stafford and he's never going to be. He will miss open people when he has a bad OL.

I liked you better when you were voted number 1 in the racist bracket. You turned into a squirter

1 minute ago, Lambo said:

That is a great point. Lamar had Marty Mornewhig as his OC his rookie year. His second year they brought in Greg Roman, and Lamar was MVP. Then after 3 years, they made the change to Todd Monken, and he was MVP again. It's almost like you can embrace a new offense and play well in it.

Sure, but it would be even better if his play caller was a fixture and could offer even more longevity and stability.

Sirianni is such an insufferable ****. The best players need to play, period. I don’t know how he can watch Jurgens week to week and not see that he’s a huge liability. Literal definition of insanity

Just now, Appalachian_Eagle said:

Sirianni is such an insufferable ****. The best players need to play, period. I don’t know how he can watch Jurgens week to week and not see that he’s a huge liability. Literal definition of insanity

Well, I don't take him seriously in these PCs (or much at all really), but if they're going to make a change it won't be announced publicly.

18 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Keep him in there so he can help improve our draft positioning. Top 12 would be nice

8 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

By the way, Harbaugh had 7 different OC's while he was the HC at Baltimore. So, not sure that is the W that you thought it would be.

Also, he was hired as a defensive / ST guy, not under the false pretense of being the next brilliant offensive mind.

Not sure what you're trying to say by this post, but if you're trying to win credit back by not actually replying to what I actually said, that's fine? Though if you want to do that, you might at least want to try to remember what the original post you're talking about said. Since the post you're referring to was me confirming you had no reasoning or basis for claiming that Sirianni directly causes the frequent cycling of his OCs. It had no relevance to any 'false pretenses' or whatever you want to call it.

13 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I think I would try to see what I can get for Nolan Smith right now. Rip the band-aid off on that, throw Jihaad back at edge in the rotation, and get Trotter Jr more playing time at LB.

His stock won't get any higher after Sunday

11 minutes ago, Lambo said:

And his #1 fan is mighty quiet today.

That's because qb1 took his frustration out on his man V. He might be out of commission for a few days

12 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I'm saying people going after Hurts today are missing the bigger issues. Flat out.

13 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, I'm flat out saying people going after Hurts are missing four much larger issues before you get to him.

27 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

He missed a lot of people and did his leave the pocket right away. That's who he is though. It's not his fault his LG hit the ball in his hands, his WR didn't get "off the f'ing ball" on the first play and the coaches didn't adjust in the 2nd half, or everyone was hurt. On the list of things to blame you have to start with Nick, Cam, Howie, injuries, before you get to Hurts.

I don't know if Cam was bigger issue than Hurts in the last game. Howie's roster construction at the TE and WR positions is a big issue. On the one hand, Howie deserves a lot of credit for getting Wicks and Lemon. Cooper has also been great. The problem is not having a WR that is a good blocker. The TE issue is self explanatory. I don't know if Howie deserves blame for not replacing Jurgens. Kendall has stepped in and they may have an upgrade in Lampkins over Jurgens. Howie deserves blame for keeping Dalton over potential depth at positions of need. Sirianni is a problem. His game day decisions have been questionable. Arguably, his emphasis on not turning the ball over has negatively impacted Hurts and the offense. He isn't an offensive guru that can fix the problems we see. On the other hand, he is a winning coach that has won a Super Bowl, in part, because he made the right calls at the right time. He also has been stubborn in a way that has negatively impacting the coaching staff. He does not have a great relationship with Hurts. There were trust issues between them in 2023. I think there were problems last season. Hurts does not trust Sirianni on some level to be able to fix the problems on offense. Cam is bad. He needs to be benched. Hurts was bad on Sunday. I don't think benching him improves the problem. The problem may not be resolvable from Hurt's perspective. He either is coached into making what he thinks are riskier throws or he is coached to not create a turnover. The team and Sirianni may believe Hurts is incapable of executing the offense.

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

People keep only posting plays in which defend their views. Watching the whole game Hurts also had plays with time in the pocket and held onto the ball, rolled out too fast or had a bad read or throw.

Yes the Oline, mainly Cam is a problem and has contributed to some of Hurts play issues. But at the same time Hurts has a ton of downfalls of his own that are effecting this team as well. Lets be true and not keep using the "He wins games" comments. "He has a SB". Yes he won the SB in an amazing played game by him. But look back on the season in 24, he was a avg QB with an amazing Oline and a HOF winning year out of his RB. The OC had to change the offense to a 65% running scheme cause Hurts couldn't "adapt" to passing heavy scheme with new concepts. That SB run was on Coaching to start to see the QB's limits and adjusting to the Barkley show. Problem is teams recognized that and in 25 they schemed to stop the run game first and let Hurts beat them with his arm. We saw how that turned out. Every year there is another excuse for Hurts poor execution.

As of yesterday we have already seen a slip back from the new offense scheme to go back to the previous years (Shotgun pretty much all game and abandoning the under center scheme in which Mannion was brought in for)

I honestly dont care who is a Hurts supporter and hater. Its all just empty talk back and forth. In the end this year is a test for Hurts to see if he can progress and develop his game, no more excuses. If he does not improve he will not be here in 27. Have to read the signs. If there was no chance they were giving up on him, the FO would have restructured his contract already. There is a reason they have not even considered it this year.

I know his limitations. When he is jumpy that's what you get.

Nick is horrible with decisions

The OL sucked

Cam in particular not only sucked but almost knocked the ball loose from Hurts

Howie put 3 horrible TEs on the roster in a scheme designed to lean heavily on them

Smith, Barkley, and later Tank were injured

No adjustments after the half for the 4th game in a row

The offense looks a lot like Nick has his hand in things too much again

With those things and watching him for years you are shocked he had a rough game? He didn't play well. My issue is there are a lot of things wrong with that team before we get to him.

As far as progressions one of his biggest was he doesn't throw in the middle, which the Titans game proved wrong in the first half.

2 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Not sure what you're trying to say by this post, but if you're trying to win credit back by not actually replying to what I actually said, that's fine? Though if you want to do that, you might at least want to try to remember what the original post you're talking about said. Since the post you're referring to was me confirming you had no reasoning or basis for claiming that Sirianni directly causes the frequent cycling of his OCs. It had no relevance to any 'false pretenses' or whatever you want to call it.

You're rambling incoherently again.

The whole reason why we have a turnstile at OC is because Sirriani couldn't hold it down. That's it. No deeper than that.

Let me ask this in a very simple way for you.....If Sirriani was the play caller like he was hired to be, would this team have gone through multiple new systems and play callers?

Just now, NCiggles said:

I don't know if Cam was bigger issue than Hurts in the last game. Howie's roster construction at the TE and WR positions is a big issue. On the one hand, Howie deserves a lot of credit for getting Wicks and Lemon. Cooper has also been great. The problem is not having a WR that is a good blocker. The TE issue is self explanatory. I don't know if Howie deserves blame for not replacing Jurgens. Kendall has stepped in and they may have an upgrade in Lampkins over Jurgens. Howie deserves blame for keeping Dalton over potential depth at positions of need. Sirianni is a problem. His game day decisions have been questionable. Arguably, his emphasis on not turning the ball over has negatively impacted Hurts and the offense. He isn't an offensive guru that can fix the problems we see. On the other hand, he is a winning coach that has won a Super Bowl, in part, because he made the right calls at the right time. He also has been stubborn in a way that has negatively impacting the coaching staff. He does not have a great relationship with Hurts. There were trust issues between them in 2023. I think there were problems last season. Hurts does not trust Sirianni on some level to be able to fix the problems on offense. Cam is bad. He needs to be benched. Hurts was bad on Sunday. I don't think benching him improves the problem. The problem may not be resolvable from Hurt's perspective. He either is coached into making what he thinks are riskier throws or he is coached to not create a turnover. The team and Sirianni may believe Hurts is incapable of executing the offense.

You hit some major issues. Can't argue with any of that.

6 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Ideally you have a coach that can own one side of the ball, so that you limit your turnover to the other side.

Yes, and you'd ideally also have a coach that will be in the hall of fame someday, but the world doesn't work in ideal ways, and sometimes we have to adjust our plans. As you may have noticed, the amount of coaches in the NFL that can own their side of the ball in the face of consistent film analysis are far and few between, especially because the NFL currently has a strong resistance to hiring defensive head coaches. A lot of offensive head coaches either bust or can't handle the scrutiny of film long term. Or can't run a locker room of men.

1 minute ago, Parrot Head said:

You're rambling incoherently again.

The whole reason why we have a turnstile at OC is because Sirriani couldn't hold it down. That's it. No deeper than that.

I didn't know Mannion was in Turnstile.

34 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The head coach is a moron

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Fran disagreed. With the 3rd downs he had it as 3 Hurts' fault, 2 the play call fault, the rest on the execution/OL.

Page and Huff's shtick is to blame everything on the OC every year.

Not doing it again this year. People tried to blame everything on Patullo last season. I and others tried to tell people there was a lot more to it and even beyond Hurts. And they're starting the same BS again this year.

In the end all this back and forth talk of whose fault who's to blame Etc don't really even matter. The front office is the only one that matters.

Now my opinion, I don't think the QB or the head coach will be here in 2027. They're not going to get rid of one and not the other. They're both on the same trajectory

However no one's going to even know anything because we are not making those decisions. We'll find out and roughly January / February

5 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

You're rambling incoherently again.

The whole reason why we have a turnstile at OC is because Sirriani couldn't hold it down. That's it. No deeper than that.

You can pretend I didn't already prove this wrong too, I don't really mind? Everyone's entitled to their opinion, even if their opinion doesn't actually hold water. Just because someone can't exclusively lock down one side of the ball does not mean the result will automatically be constantly cycling coaches. This is also proven by history.

Agree to disagree? I can't convince people who ignore logic, and that's perfectly fine.

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

How many years has spacing been an issue? It's every year

7 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Yes, and you'd ideally also have a coach that will be in the hall of fame someday, but the world doesn't work in ideal ways, and sometimes we have to adjust our plans. As you may have noticed, the amount of coaches in the NFL that can own their side of the ball in the face of consistent film analysis are far and few between, especially because the NFL currently has a strong resistance to hiring defensive head coaches. A lot of offensive head coaches either bust or can't handle the scrutiny of film long term. Or can't run a locker room of men.

This is way overstated regarding the difficulty. A simple Google search will reveal that 24 HC's call plays either offensively or defensively.

1 minute ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

You can pretend I didn't already prove this wrong too, I don't really mind? Everyone's entitled to their opinion, even if their opinion doesn't actually hold water. Just because someone can't exclusively lock down one side of the ball does not mean the result will automatically be constantly cycling coaches. This is also proven by history.

Agree to disagree? I can't convince people who ignore logic, and that's perfectly fine.

You talked in circles, then even used John Harbaugh as your proof. The same guy that went through 7 OCs.

So yes, take your L and move on.

Basically the following are all true:

The scheme, play design sucks

There is a chance it sucks because the coaches believe it's the only scheme the QB is comfortable with. We don't know this to be true, but it is a possibility.

Even with the scheme sucking, there are plays to be made there every game that are not made because the QB either doesn't see the open man, doesn't get rid of the ball in time, gives up on a play too easily or the OL messes up the blocking assignments.

Put all that together and you get an offense that sucks at everything and throws for under 100 yards and can't get first downs. Everyone sucks at their job right now, and especially so when you're missing Devonta, Goedert, and Saquon.

Just now, Parrot Head said:

You talked in circles, then even used John Harbaugh as your proof. The same guy that went through 7 OCs.

So yes, take your L and move on.

Um. He coached for 18 years. Yes, people get promotions and won't stay for every year of their career in one place? Is there some point you think you've made?

Also, wasn't there another part of that post you're forgetting? Any idea what it was? Or is the "Don't Care" coming again to make Mr. Crybaby feel better?