Not the Melifonwu I was looking for.

If Howie wants Watson, he'll figure out the cap, I don't think any of us have the expertise to definitively say he can't.

1 minute ago, D-Shiznit said:

Also can I just reiterate how awesome the rookie wage scale is, I do not miss the old days of holdouts and massive guarantees. The Brodrick Bunkley holdout saga still haunts me.

There are 8-step programs available for your condition.

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yes, you should.  He is a much of as an insider as anyone.  He's an annoying boot licker of the Eagles because he doesn't want his access to be taken away from him.  They have let him stand on the sidelines for years, decades.  He's a 100% grade A arsehole.  No question.  And he is wrong a lot of the times when sharing opinions on other teams in Philly.  But when sharing the inner workings of the Eagles and behind the scenes.  Yep, I would consider it fact.  He wouldn't say anything that would jeopardize his standing with the team.  So lying about this would not be smart on his part.  Hell, he got a SB ring from them for Christ sake.  

Didn’t he previously admit that he made up a story?

6 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Yeah, I see that after reading said article and the discussion in here. As much as I love the game I've always stayed away from that aspect, because there are always loopholes and ways to play with the numbers.

Yup, I used to say the salary cap is meaningless because it usually is for most. Howie did a number though and made it meaningful this year. First time I can ever remember actually being so limited because of the cap.

54 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

Who's Dianni Russini?  

We're linked to every "big name QB is leaving <>" rumor because we (1) have 2-3 1st round picks next year and (2) have Jalen Hurts as a starting QB.  This is completely media fabricated.  

 

 

8 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

It's funny, for as intricate as the salary cap is, average fans and even these salary cap tracking websites really have no idea how it works. Every year there's proclamations that X team is in severe cap trouble and has no money, yet every year those teams figure it out. The only exception I can think of was the uncapped year where the Cowboys and Football Team got busted for some shenanigans. 

@downundermike I appreciate the effort you put into all the cap work, but at the end of the day, you really don't know more than the experts (yes, including Howie). 

Never said I know more than the experts, but to assume it will just work it out because Howie is foolish. 

A bunch of us predicted exactly what would happen to get under the cap this year, everyone said it will be OK because we have 73 million in cap space in 2022.

March 10th we had 73 million in cap space, once the rookies sign their contracts, we will have 9.3 million in 2022 cap space with 47 players under contract.  But then their is the fact that you don't actually have 47 players under contract, as McLeod, Harris, Wilson and Flacco are all dummy numbers to spread out 1 year deals.  So you have 43 players under contract and 9.3 million in 2022 cap space.

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don't think it would be that hard. They can take his contract and effectively turn the base salaries into a signing bonus, spread it out over multiple years and probably dummy years, and lower the base salaries on the new deal. 

Also, OTC is super conservative in their 2022 cap estimates by setting the base salary cap at $203M. The 2020 base salary cap was $198.2M before COVID. Assuming stadiums are full capacity and everything goes smoothly, it will be up over $203M, especially with these new Amazon Prime and new TV deals kicking in.

Most major outlets are projecting the cap to be 203 - 205 million.  The major increase will be for the 2023 season.

Mildly surprised they didn't bring in more QB's as tryouts

Just now, downundermike said:

Most major outlets are projecting the cap to be 203 - 205 million.  The major increase will be for the 2023 season.

Interesting. I forgot that they made some kind of agreement too for this year that would take away future cap. 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Never said I know more than the experts, but to assume it will just work it out because Howie is foolish. 

A bunch of us predicted exactly what would happen to get under the cap this year, everyone said it will be OK because we have 73 million in cap space in 2022.

March 10th we had 73 million in cap space, once the rookies sign their contracts, we will have 9.3 million in 2022 cap space with 47 players under contract.  But then their is the fact that you don't actually have 47 players under contract, as McLeod, Harris, Wilson and Flacco are all dummy numbers to spread out 1 year deals.  So you have 43 players under contract and 9.3 million in 2022 cap space.

I'm not sure the majority here just dismissed the cap issue.

There was, however, confidence that we'd make it work for 2021. 

I can't think of many that didn't acknowledge the impact to 2022.

15 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Yeah, I see that after reading said article and the discussion in here. As much as I love the game I've always stayed away from that aspect, because there are always loopholes and ways to play with the numbers.

Pretty much, it's all funny money, kicking the can, dummy years, loopholes, and a bunch of other bean counting mumbo jumbo that none of us are gonna be able to figure out adequately.

17 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Damn, so Howie really did manage to climb out of the hole he dug for himself with cap.

No, not even close, he just made it a 2022 and beyond problem.

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

March 10th we had 73 million in cap space for 2022, once the rookies sign their contracts, we will have 9.3 million in 2022 cap space with 47 players under contract.  But then their is the fact that you don't actually have 47 players under contract, as McLeod, Harris, Wilson and Flacco are all dummy numbers to spread out 1 year deals.  So you have 43 players under contract and 9.3 million in 2022 cap space.

 

3 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

 

Who's Dianni Russini?  

We're linked to every "big name QB is leaving <>" rumor because we (1) have 2-3 1st round picks next year and (2) have Jalen Hurts as a starting QB.  This is completely media fabricated.  

 

 

You're welcome

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Never said I know more than the experts, but to assume it will just work it out because Howie is foolish. 

A bunch of us predicted exactly what would happen to get under the cap this year, everyone said it will be OK because we have 73 million in cap space in 2022.

March 10th we had 73 million in cap space, once the rookies sign their contracts, we will have 9.3 million in 2022 cap space with 47 players under contract.  But then their is the fact that you don't actually have 47 players under contract, as McLeod, Harris, Wilson and Flacco are all dummy numbers to spread out 1 year deals.  So you have 43 players under contract and 9.3 million in 2022 cap space.

I think the Sportracs and Underthecaps have a place in this world, as they give some very good info and a nice baseline. But again, they don't know or can't account for various loopholes and other ways that basically every GM in the league uses to manipulate the cap. It's fun to dunk on Howie for a lot of things, and yes, he did bungle the cap post Super Bowl. But he's never put the team in a position to be penalized draft picks for being over the cap, or generally being unable to pursue players he wants. This year we weren't overly involved in the FA market, partially due to a limited cap, but also due to the fact that we are in a rebuild, and generally FA is better used to supplement and already developed roster, a la the 2017 Eagles. So, as much as Howie has screwed up a number of things, his cap maneuvering is not something I worry about it. 

6 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I'm not sure the majority here just dismissed the cap issue.

There was, however, confidence that we'd make it work for 2021. 

I can't think of many that didn't acknowledge the impact to 2022.

I tracked it to show the damage.  To get under the cap, and have 4 million in cap space, Howie had to create 48 million dollars with future cap space.  The problem with that, is you give out more signing bonus money, dummy years, and this is what happens.

If you see the number at the bottom, that cost a combined 86.8 million dollars in 2022 and 2023 cap space.

That does not seem very financially sound to me.

 

@TorontoEagle, will use this as a reply to your last.  Sure, there is things we don't know about, but this is what happened in real tim.

 

Slightly bigger than the blocking sled

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I wonder if she can touch her elbows behind her back.  

Prob not, can we set something up where we can ask her to demonstrate for us? 

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I think the Sportracs and Underthecaps have a place in this world, as they give some very good info and a nice baseline. But again, they don't know or can't account for various loopholes and other ways that basically every GM in the league uses to manipulate the cap. It's fun to dunk on Howie for a lot of things, and yes, he did bungle the cap post Super Bowl. But he's never put the team in a position to be penalized draft picks for being over the cap, or generally being unable to pursue players he wants. This year we weren't overly involved in the FA market, partially due to a limited cap, but also due to the fact that we are in a rebuild, and generally FA is better used to supplement and already developed roster, a la the 2017 Eagles. So, as much as Howie has screwed up a number of things, his cap maneuvering is not something I worry about it. 

Spotrac does a better job by pointing out void money.

8 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

 

Who's Dianni Russini?  

We're linked to every "big name QB is leaving <>" rumor because we (1) have 2-3 1st round picks next year and (2) have Jalen Hurts as a starting QB.  This is completely media fabricated.  

 

 

Shes works at the worldwide leader.

I was listening to the interview with her and pretty sure she said " I feel like the Eagles are going to do something".  So it's basically nothing.

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I tracked it to show the damage.  To get under the cap, and have 4 million in cap space, Howie had to create 48 million dollars with future cap space.  The problem with that, is you give out more signing bonus money, dummy years, and this is what happens.

If you see the number at the bottom, that cost a combined 86.8 million dollars in 2022 and 2023 cap space.

That does not seem very financially sound to me.

 

@TorontoEagle, will use this as a reply to your last.  Sure, there is things we don't know about, but this is what happened in real tim.

 

 

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Spotrac does a better job by pointing out void money.

I'll be completely honest that I'm not in any way a "numbers" guy. My vision turns blurry reading this stuff. All I know is, we've always managed to work within the cap and have never had issues pursuing players because of cap limitations. It's just not something I ever worry about. And the Eagles aren't alone in this, look at the Saints this year. They were like 90 million over, and they figured it out too. 

13 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

 

Who's Dianni Russini?  

We're linked to every "big name QB is leaving <>" rumor because we (1) have 2-3 1st round picks next year and (2) have Jalen Hurts as a starting QB.  This is completely media fabricated.  

 

 

Killjoy 

 

 

8 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I think the Sportracs and Underthecaps have a place in this world, as they give some very good info and a nice baseline. But again, they don't know or can't account for various loopholes and other ways that basically every GM in the league uses to manipulate the cap. It's fun to dunk on Howie for a lot of things, and yes, he did bungle the cap post Super Bowl. But he's never put the team in a position to be penalized draft picks for being over the cap, or generally being unable to pursue players he wants. This year we weren't overly involved in the FA market, partially due to a limited cap, but also due to the fact that we are in a rebuild, and generally FA is better used to supplement and already developed roster, a la the 2017 Eagles. So, as much as Howie has screwed up a number of things, his cap maneuvering is not something I worry about it. 

Expanding on the 2022, situation, you have 43 players under contract and 9.3 million in 2022 cap space.  Saying the Eagles pick 10th, the Dolphins pick is 20th, and the pick we get from the Colts is in the mid 20's, using the same OTC chart the article used to figure out the rookie class contracts, that means we are looking at about 13 million to sign next years draft picks.  Obviously those draft slots are going to cost more next year.  So at this moment, if we use the picks we have, especially the early picks, we technically are already needing to find 3 million in cap space for rookies, before even thinking about a free agent.

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I bet she smells purty 

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I'll be completely honest that I'm not in any way a "numbers" guy. My vision turns blurry reading this stuff. All I know is, we've always managed to work within the cap and have never had issues pursuing players because of cap limitations. It's just not something I ever worry about. And the Eagles aren't alone in this, look at the Saints this year. They were like 90 million over, and they figured it out too. 

You don't think is serious mismanagement to shave 86.7 million off your 2022 and 2023 cap dollars to create 48 million in space in 2021 ??