1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Could be due to the smaller rookie pool. Someone was saying UDFA’s this year would be poor and there was only going to be a handful of guys teams would actually want 

Those 6th and 7th rd picks would have been UDFAs most years. Which is how Howie jumped at the chance to trade 2 of them for a 5th in a much deeper draft next year. By the end of the 6th rd, the players who would have been drafted in a normal season were all gone.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Hurts not being on the teams calendar sent out on social media was def interesting.  I don't care if they are sold on Hurts post 2022 or not.  But if they were sold on him for 2021 he would have been on there.  Period.  

The Eagles really always intended Hurts to be a cheap backup, Howie got all defensive of the pick and compared him to Wilson out of desperation for validation, but he was never their guy to take the reins. Hurts being the starter for 2021 is more of an exercise of default than choice.

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I'm not sure.  But I am pretty certain he's why we have stock piled high picks for 2022.  It's more all about how the ish is handled behind the scenes and if he is cleared.  If he is ruled eligible to play in 2022 with enough time to get it done, I would give it a better than 60% chance.  

 

@downundermike Would have to speak to the cap discussion and how he would fit in. 

 

I am convinced that Lurie and Howie want to look like the big man on the block (NFC East).   

Watson would have to restructure, Eagles have 4.3 million in current cap space, and need almost 10 million to sign the rookie class.  Eagles have 22.9 million cap room in 2022.

For the team acquiring him, Watson's cap hits are 10.5 million in 2021 and 35 million in 2022.  

Unless he wanted to do a MAJOR restructure, I do not see how it is even remotely possible.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Watson would have to restructure, Eagles have 4.3 million in current cap space, and need almost 10 million to sign the rookie class.  Eagles have 22.9 million cap room in 2022.

For the team acquiring him, Watson's cap hits are 10.5 million in 2021 and 35 million in 2022.  

Unless he wanted to do a MAJOR restructure, I do not see how it is even remotely possible.

They don't need $10 million to sign the rookies. They need $3.6 million.

I don't think they will get Watson because of his baggage and they have already passed on Fields, so they really want to give Hurts a chance. But if they did want to sign him, they could.

 

 

I’d love to get Watson but I very much doubt he’d even want to come here

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Lurie called Indy to initiate the Wentz discussions.  Lurie was told about Sirianni by Reich.  Until then NS wasn’t on anyone’s radar. Lurie defenders unite.  
 

Lurie’s the real problem.  

Sirianni wasn't on anyone's radar after 3 years at OC?

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-head-coaching-candidates-to-consider-in-2021/2/

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/09/11/head-coaching-candidates-2021

This list didn't have Sirianni, but did hae Steichen, our new OC

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/25_nfl_head_coaches_in_waiting/s1__33231092#slide_23

2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I don't think they will get Watson because of his baggage and they have already passed on Fields, so they really want to give Hurts a chance. But if they did want to sign him, they could.

I don't think passing on fields is a sign that they really want to give Hurts a chance. I think it's a sign that either they weren't sold on any of the QBs this year or they think they can get Watson or someone next year. 

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

They don't need $10 million to sign the rookies. They need $3.6 million.

I don't think they will get Watson because of his baggage and they have already passed on Fields, so they really want to give Hurts a chance. But if they did want to sign him, they could.

 

 

I'm far from a cap expert, but I think you're off with the 3.6 figure. I'd imagine Smith will get more than that alone.

Passing on Fields is in no way indicative of passing on Watson. Fields is an unproven rookie, Watson is a perennial pro-bowler with a low stock price.

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

I'm far from a cap expert, but I think you're off with the 3.6 figure. I'd imagine Smith will get more than that alone.

I am not a cap expert either. But here's a pretty good explanation of where that figure comes from.

A look at the Eagles' rookie salary cap numbers, and the money needed to sign them | PhillyVoice

10 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

They don't need $10 million to sign the rookies. They need $3.6 million.

It must really suck to make a statement with no research done, to a guy who has posted this multiple times, and then get totally crushed.

Here is the link to to rookie draft pool estimates.

https://overthecap.com/draft/

Here is the math based on those numbers.  3.6 million is DeVonta Smith's cap number, you have to sign the other 8 guys, they are not gonna play for free. 

@Swoop here it is

Just now, downundermike said:

It must really suck to make a statement with no research done, to a guy who has posted this multiple times, and then get totally crushed.

A look at the Eagles' rookie salary cap numbers, and the money needed to sign them | PhillyVoice

Enjoy reading this. No need to apologize, we all make dumb mistakes in life. Consider this a teachable moment.

5 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I am not a cap expert either. But here's a pretty good explanation of where that figure comes from.

A look at the Eagles' rookie salary cap numbers, and the money needed to sign them | PhillyVoice

From the same article, exactly what I just posted.

In you add up all the money in the "2021" column, the total estimated rookie pool for the Eagles' draft class is $10,547,006.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

From the same article, exactly what I just posted.

 

 

And I'm the disingenuous one...

4 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

A look at the Eagles' rookie salary cap numbers, and the money needed to sign them | PhillyVoice

Enjoy reading this. No need to apologize, we all make dumb mistakes in life. Consider this a teachable moment.

Here is what you posted, that you obviously did not read.  Wow, you are really taking it on the chin with this one.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

From the same article, exactly what I just posted.

You probably skipped this part.

"If you add up all the money in the "2021" column, the total estimated rookie pool for the Eagles' draft class is $10,547,006. So will they need roughly $10.5 million in cap space to sign all their rookies? Nah, it doesn't quite work that that.

And you definitely skipped this part.

As you'll see on OverTheCap's Eagles page, there are a bunch of players at the back end of the top 51 who will each count for $850,000 against the cap this year. In other words, You would take the cap numbers for Smith, Dickerson, and Williams, and subtract $850,000 from each of their 2021 cap amounts, and then add up those three amounts to come up with the extra cap space the Eagles would need to sign their draft picks. 

I'll save you the work. It's $3,615,148. The Eagles currently have $5,021,321 in cap space, according to the NFLPA public daily salary cap report, so they have the ability to sign all of their rookie draft picks without clearing further cap space.

Again, no need to apologize.

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You're a clown with your constant defense of this FO and everything they do.  Lurie was asked/told, by Reich to give NS an interview.  That was confirmed last night by Eskin.  He was also the last guy their interviewed.  They interviewed with a ton of guys before him.  If he was such a hot commodity, then why would they wait so long to meet with him??  You really think Lowie was keen on who and what Nick f-ing Sirianni was before the endorsement from Reich?  

 

 

Do we really want to take what Eskin says as fact?

7 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

You probably skipped this part.

"If you add up all the money in the "2021" column, the total estimated rookie pool for the Eagles' draft class is $10,547,006. So will they need roughly $10.5 million in cap space to sign all their rookies? Nah, it doesn't quite work that that.

And you definitely skipped this part.

As you'll see on OverTheCap's Eagles page, there are a bunch of players at the back end of the top 51 who will each count for $850,000 against the cap this year. In other words, You would take the cap numbers for Smith, Dickerson, and Williams, and subtract $850,000 from each of their 2021 cap amounts, and then add up those three amounts to come up with the extra cap space the Eagles would need to sign their draft picks. 

I'll save you the work. It's $3,615,148. The Eagles currently have $5,021,321 in cap space, according to the NFLPA public daily salary cap report, so they have the ability to sign all of their rookie draft picks without clearing further cap space.

Again, no need to apologize.

My apologies.  You are 100% correct sir.  Forgot about part b.  To much CVON I guess.

It's funny, for as intricate as the salary cap is, average fans and even these salary cap tracking websites really have no idea how it works. Every year there's proclamations that X team is in severe cap trouble and has no money, yet every year those teams figure it out. The only exception I can think of was the uncapped year where the Cowboys and Football Team got busted for some shenanigans. 

@downundermike I appreciate the effort you put into all the cap work, but at the end of the day, you really don't know more than the experts (yes, including Howie). 

7 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

You probably skipped this part.

"If you add up all the money in the "2021" column, the total estimated rookie pool for the Eagles' draft class is $10,547,006. So will they need roughly $10.5 million in cap space to sign all their rookies? Nah, it doesn't quite work that that.

And you definitely skipped this part.

As you'll see on OverTheCap's Eagles page, there are a bunch of players at the back end of the top 51 who will each count for $850,000 against the cap this year. In other words, You would take the cap numbers for Smith, Dickerson, and Williams, and subtract $850,000 from each of their 2021 cap amounts, and then add up those three amounts to come up with the extra cap space the Eagles would need to sign their draft picks. 

I'll save you the work. It's $3,615,148. The Eagles currently have $5,021,321 in cap space, according to the NFLPA public daily salary cap report, so they have the ability to sign all of their rookie draft picks without clearing further cap space.

Again, no need to apologize.

Damn, so Howie really did manage to climb out of the hole he dug for himself with cap.

16 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I'm far from a cap expert, but I think you're off with the 3.6 figure. I'd imagine Smith will get more than that alone.

It's two different things. The total cap space is $10ish million but the effective cap space because of the top 51 rule brings it down to $4ish million.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It's two different things. The total cap space is $10ish million but the effective cap space because of the top 51 rule brings it down to $4ish million.

Yeah, I see that after reading said article and the discussion in here. As much as I love the game I've always stayed away from that aspect, because there are always loopholes and ways to play with the numbers.

11 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Here is what you posted, that you obviously did not read.  Wow, you are really taking it on the chin with this one.

The rookies replace a bunch of $750K players at the bottom of the Top-51. 

The NET impact will be less than $4M.

31 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Watson would have to restructure, Eagles have 4.3 million in current cap space, and need almost 10 million to sign the rookie class.  Eagles have 22.9 million cap room in 2022.

For the team acquiring him, Watson's cap hits are 10.5 million in 2021 and 35 million in 2022.  

Unless he wanted to do a MAJOR restructure, I do not see how it is even remotely possible.

I don't think it would be that hard. They can take his contract and effectively turn the base salaries into a signing bonus, spread it out over multiple years and probably dummy years, and lower the base salaries on the new deal. 

Also, OTC is super conservative in their 2022 cap estimates by setting the base salary cap at $203M. The 2020 base salary cap was $198.2M before COVID. Assuming stadiums are full capacity and everything goes smoothly, it will be up over $203M, especially with these new Amazon Prime and new TV deals kicking in.

Also can I just reiterate how awesome the rookie wage scale is, I do not miss the old days of holdouts and massive guarantees. The Brodrick Bunkley holdout saga still haunts me.