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14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

But the salary cap under Howie has never gotten in the way of the team making any moves to improve the roster.   Any player that doesn't fit clearly wasn't an upgrade, and the Eagles wouldn't have been better adding him.   Simple math.

 

After all, I've been told countless times that the Eagles don't need to sign any FAs for 2022, because they aren't going to be competitive anyway... and they don't have any young talent to extend.  So, who would they possibly want to bring in for 2022?   The next two years are just throw aways according to the Howie support group.

That's a bit of a straw man argument. 

I wanted Howie fired after the season ended, you'll never get an argument from me otherwise. But it didn't happen. And you can bang the drum all day long, it's not going to happen until at least the end of this season. If we're being completely realistic, Howie is probably the GM thru 2022 as well. Nothing anybody does or says on this message board can change that. We're stuck with the guy for now.

I think most of us in here realized we needed to get younger across the roster this offseason, and begin a rebuild. So far, his offseason has been OK. The WR position finally looks like it could be NFL caliber. The O line has some nice depth pieces, and the ceiling of it could be one of the best in the league. QB is a complete disaster, but again most in here had/have written off the 2021 season as far as being competitive, so it's really not the worst time to figure out what Hurts is or isn't. The RB position looks good too. 

On defense, they added some youth to the d-line. The back 7 is a complete mess, but you can't expect to fix every position group in one year. I wish they had done a little better addressing the back 7. So if we want to point and say Howie could've brought in a guy or two to shore up the back 7, OK, sure, we can go with that. But many have pointed out that back 7's across the league have been diminished over time with the new rules, so if one group was going to be neglected this year, maybe that's the one with less overall impact. It's still a dumpster fire back there, but that's why we picked top 10 this year and likely will next year. 

Howie has stocked up with 2 first rounders, and likely a 3rd for next year. I get the hatred of what Howie has done prior to this offseason, and he absolutely had a large part to play in the mess we are in now. But he's done OK so far this offseason, and my entire point to kick off this salary cap debate was we have no idea what 2022 will look like. These sites make projections, but Howie finds a way, to his credit. It's the one constant thing he HAS done well, is if he wants a player (or rather, if Lurie wants a player), Howie will get that player and get the salary cap to work. 

3 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Of course...

 

 

Of course.  Why would anything change.

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

You probably skipped this part.

"If you add up all the money in the "2021" column, the total estimated rookie pool for the Eagles' draft class is $10,547,006. So will they need roughly $10.5 million in cap space to sign all their rookies? Nah, it doesn't quite work that that.

And you definitely skipped this part.

As you'll see on OverTheCap's Eagles page, there are a bunch of players at the back end of the top 51 who will each count for $850,000 against the cap this year. In other words, You would take the cap numbers for Smith, Dickerson, and Williams, and subtract $850,000 from each of their 2021 cap amounts, and then add up those three amounts to come up with the extra cap space the Eagles would need to sign their draft picks. 

I'll save you the work. It's $3,615,148. The Eagles currently have $5,021,321 in cap space, according to the NFLPA public daily salary cap report, so they have the ability to sign all of their rookie draft picks without clearing further cap space.

Again, no need to apologize.

 

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

My apologies.  You are 100% correct sir.  Forgot about part b.  To much CVON I guess.

 

Yes... and No.  

The top 51 demarcation only accounts for the 'offseason'.  By the time the regular rolls around - aka, before kickoff of Game 1 of the regular season, all 53 players on the active roster, players on IR, PUP and the PS also count against the figure... plus any signing bonuses given to the draft picks and UDFAs, even the ones that don't make the active roster or PS.  

 

So, the number is going to be higher than the $3.6M Kempski reported.

54 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I'm not sure the majority here just dismissed the cap issue.

There was, however, confidence that we'd make it work for 2021. 

I can't think of many that didn't acknowledge the impact to 2022.

"making it work" is a far cry from 'being in a good position'.   Howie screwed up.  No harm in admitting that.

8 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Of course...

 

 

Damnit. I guess his career is over. Better cut him now.

For the let's totally dissect a practice tape crowd.  Smith has insanely long arms and seems to always get full extension when catching.  Maybe it's because his body isn't big enough to handle body catches but he certainly always catches the ball with his hands. 

 

59 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You would might have to enlighten me on that.  All I know, is that ego maniac doesn't want his golden ticket taken away from him.  So he would not make up some BS story about the owner of the Eagles to jeopardize his position with the team.  Which appears to be Sr. Bootlicker of the Media.  

Someone posted a story in the Blog about it, but I don’t remember the particulars. 

 

#47?

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes... and No.  

The top 51 demarcation only accounts for the 'offseason'.  By the time the regular rolls around - aka, before kickoff of Game 1 of the regular season, all 53 players on the active roster, players on IR, PUP and the PS also count against the figure... plus any signing bonuses given to the draft picks and UDFAs, even the ones that don't make the active roster or PS.  

 

So, the number is going to be higher than the $3.6M Kempski reported.

Jimmy's number was accurate. You are mixing apples and oranges. The number to sign the draft class is $3.6 million. Yes, the team's actual salary cap figure will go up and down throughout the year based on players we sign, cut and restructure, but those are numbers that are unknown and weren't part of the discussion. 

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

For the let's totally dissect a practice tape crowd.  Smith has insanely long arms and seems to always get full extension when catching.  Maybe it's because his body isn't big enough to handle body catches but he certainly always catches the ball with his hands. 

 

Well when you’re a midget, you generally have to get full extension to do pretty much anything normal people do.

22 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

 

His job will only get easier once training camp starts and the tackling dummy is replaced by one of our CB's.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

#47?

Maybe thinking of him as a TE?

Just now, eagle45 said:

His job will only get easier once training camp starts and the tackling dummy is replaced by one of our CB's.

Outstanding post.

11 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

That's a bit of a straw man argument. 

That is absolutely not a straw man argument, but rather a paraphrase of afan's sweeping the salary cap mess Howie created under the rug.   Disagree with that if you want, but that's what he's said.  We don't need to sign anyone of significance until 2023, thereby making 2021 and 2022 throw away years where the team won't be ready to compete, because the roster has been mismanaged.

42 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

WTF (not the football team in DC) is the point of that drill?  

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

#47?

Noticed that as well.  Probably no more WR # left.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That is absolutely not a straw man argument, but rather a paraphrase of afan's sweeping the salary cap mess Howie created under the rug.   Disagree with that if you want, but that's what he's said.  We don't need to sign anyone of significance until 2023, thereby making 2021 and 2022 throw away years where the team won't be ready to compete, because the roster has been mismanaged.

Howie has made some mistakes, but pretty much the entire league is copying how he structures contracts, so maybe you should recognize that he has some strengths that you are failing to see.

I like those hands on Smith

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Noticed that as well.  Probably no more WR # left.

There’s no such thing as wide receiver numbers anymore

Just now, downundermike said:

There’s no such thing as wide receiver numbers anymore

True story.  What's worse, WR in 47 (Michael Irvin wore it at Miami) or a RB in 14.  I can't even think of a RB ever wearing 14.

Smith looks thinner than I imagined , hopefully he can add a cpl pounds 

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Jimmy's number was accurate. You are mixing apples and oranges. The number to sign the draft class is $3.6 million. Yes, the team's actual salary cap figure will go up and down throughout the year based on players we sign, cut and restructure, but those are numbers that are unknown and weren't part of the discussion. 

No.  I am dealing with the full picture which is cap compliance for the 2021 season.  You can't ignore the salaries of the players outside the top 51 just because its convenient to an argument.  The salaries of all players will count.  For example, if Dickerson starts on the PUP list, or IR because he's still recovering from the knee injury before he was drafted, then that removes him from the 53 man roster, but that money on his salary still counts against the full cap as he sits on PUP or IR, and one of the others behind Dickerson's money would then be added to the 'rookie pool' number.  Or, if they decide to stash another late round pick on IR... like the 5th round DT who was not exactly positive about his health when asked about it right after the draft... then his money also counts against the cap, and increases the 'rookie pool'.

 

Looking at it in terms of only the top 51 is short-sighted.  And the fact that this team is that close to the ceiling would indicate that the salary cap is a problem.  Maybe not insurmountable, but definitely not a good situation.   This team usually likes to have a reserve for in-season injuries.  They likely won't have much at all.  This team likes to roll money over to future years... they will be rolling over nickels and dimes.  

7 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Howie has made some mistakes, but pretty much the entire league is copying how he structures contracts, so maybe you should recognize that he has some strengths that you are failing to see.

I didn't say he didn't have strengths.  I said that he's screwed up here and should be held accountable.   Everyone has 'strengths', but that doesn't give everyone carte blanche to screw up royally and not be held accountable for it.   Or, should Chip Kelly have been allowed to stick around?  He had strengths and some others around the league copycatted him to a certain extent as well.