9 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Nick Sirianni says so much without saying nothing at all.  And GD is he Captain Obvious.  It takes him forever to say something completely meaningless or assumed.  The guy really isn't smart.  

Or he is Fing brilliant at saying little that could be construed against him or the team while appeasing an inadequate Philly press.

4 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I don't really see CB as an athlete position.

Sure, a CB who runs a 4.55 is going to have issues.  And 4.30 speed helps, situationally, for that make up speed when they are beat with the ball in the air.  If that comes in handy too often, however, you've got bigger problems.

It's sort of a contradiction; I view WR as an athlete position where the 40 time matters.  They are covered by CB's, which I do not really see as an athlete position.  A CB with fluidity...great hips and no wasted steps...stands a better chance of using the proper cushion, turning, and running with a 4.2 uncoverable WR than a track star CB who bites and is going in the wrong direction.

If a CB is fast enough, has a knack for coverage, and masters all the little things (just the right amount of hand usage, knowing how to use a cushion, press, finding the football etc)...that CB is the one who is going to be most successful in coverage.

Athleticism is a lot more than how fast you run in shorts. Body control, reaction time, jumping ability, etc.

And CBs who run in the 4.5+ range tend to be limited to zone schemes with deep safety help.

There are a lot of successful mediocre athletes at safety, because they're not trying to match up man to man, they're watching the action, and a safety with high IQ and good instincts can react faster than a 4.4 guy who needs time to process what he sees, the same way many good MLBs are not the top athletes but the most instinctual players.

5 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Yeah, fans are too wrapped up in generic big boards instead of thinking about a board built around the Eagles’ philosophy and scheme. 

It might be frustrating for us, but the fact of the matter is we have no idea what Gannon wants to do schematically. It’s all a guess. 

And this was not a deep draft, you weren't going to fill all the holes on the defense.

I thought by #37, all the sure starters at CB were off the board, so they were looking at nickel guys, questions on the outside or players they had more confidence would contribute at other positions.

As ugly as a secondary manned by last year's scrubs would seem to be, we've seen too many CB reaches to blindly believe they would necessarily be better.

7 hours ago, austinfan said:

A lot. Safety requires a higher football IQ than CB, CB is more of an "athlete" position, which is why a lot of big CBs can't transition to safety.

Whose top three players? Maybe yours off the media feed, but if they were staying true to their draft board, obviously not to them.

Umm what?  Generally those who can't play CB play S.  While yes, CB requires a degree of athleticism and you have Sanders and Green to point to, most of the best CB's to ever play the game were never uber athletes.  They were students of the game with off the wall football IQ who read what they were seeing and had the eye/brain/body connection combined with technique to react to their reads.

2 hours ago, austinfan said:

Athleticism is a lot more than how fast you run in shorts. Body control, reaction time, jumping ability, etc.

And CBs who run in the 4.5+ range tend to be limited to zone schemes with deep safety help.

There are a lot of successful mediocre athletes at safety, because they're not trying to match up man to man, they're watching the action, and a safety with high IQ and good instincts can react faster than a 4.4 guy who needs time to process what he sees, the same way many good MLBs are not the top athletes but the most instinctual players.

I get what you're trying to say now but that's every position though that needs that.  There's a huge gap in margin for error between CB and S.  CB's have to have off the wall IQ's to succeed, unless you're Patrick Peterson.

2 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

Umm what?  Generally those who can't play CB play S.  While yes, CB requires a degree of athleticism and you have Sanders and Green to point to, most of the best CB's to ever play the game were never uber athletes.  They were students of the game with off the wall football IQ who read what they were seeing and had the eye/brain/body connection combined with technique to react to their reads.

Most conversions from CB to S fail. And a lot of big CBs with average speed, who you'd think would be good safety candidates, aren't even given a shot.

Depends on the player, Ware was cut here at CB, bounced twice, and became a starter at SS. Poyer was a college CB who became a FS after the Eagles cut him.

Safeties are generally much smarter than CBs, who don't have as varied responsibilities. Safeties also have to be better tacklers, unless you're using a true FS who plays deep and doesn't provide as much help in run support (but these guys are rare in today's game)

10 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Weird coincidence and means nothing. 
 

 

OR Jalen Hurts wins a SB. 
 

 

 

 

Or Joe Flacco wins #2

Thats too easy. Wentz plays great. Not MVP, but great and leads the Colts to a SB and all the Wentz haters say they loved him the whole time and felt we should have kept him. In the end we land the 32nd pick in the first round for a QB with a second SB ring and a long future ahead of him. 

3 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

Umm what?  Generally those who can't play CB play S.  While yes, CB requires a degree of athleticism and you have Sanders and Green to point to, most of the best CB's to ever play the game were never uber athletes.  They were students of the game with off the wall football IQ who read what they were seeing and had the eye/brain/body connection combined with technique to react to their reads.

You have safeties all the time that can play all the DB positions. Honestly it also depends on your scheme/DC, your background in different positions and coaching over your career. People think this is madden sometimes and you can just throw a person in a different position, flip sides etc and they will play fine. Not the case. As a DB in college I played all over the field, mainly FS but also in the slot, and on the outside. Now could I play in the box? Sure but I was not good for that position and was not to my strengths. Also I preferred the right side of the field and was more comfortable on that side which resulted in better play. We saw this very same thing with Dillard. His rookie year he played fine at the LT position but when he went to RT he struggled. Its a completely different beast swapping sides like that and he fully admitted he never played the right side and knew he would struggle. 

The Eagles brought in a guy for a tryout at CB.  He's been out of the lineup a lot due to injuries and hasn't played well at safety.  I'd much rather try him out at CB, where has has some unique physical tools, than try him out at safety, where he's been cut by 3 teams already.

I think people on here forget -- the roster changes quite a bit between now and the preseason.  Even guys who survive the last cuts out of training camp and are on the bubble are in jeopardy because the Eagles (and every NFL team) comb the waiver wire when all the other teams make their final cuts as well.  There are guys who hang on through final cuts who end up getting released 1-2 days later because another team cut someone better.

The depth chart at CB doesn't look good right now -- but Week 1 is about 4 months away.

The Eagles have sunk to the point where we arguing about a long shot on a tryout. In the old days, when there was NFL talent on the team, we would have simply said "camp body" and moved on.

27 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

The Eagles have sunk to the point where we arguing about a long shot on a tryout. In the old days, when there was NFL talent on the team, we would have simply said "camp body" and moved on.

It's also due to the fact he plays what is easily the biggest weakness on the team.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

It's also due to the fact he plays what is easily the biggest weakness on the team.

He’s a qb?

1 hour ago, DeathByEagle said:

Thats too easy. Wentz plays great. Not MVP, but great and leads the Colts to a SB and all the Wentz haters say they loved him the whole time and felt we should have kept him. In the end we land the 32nd pick in the first round for a QB with a second SB ring and a long future ahead of him. 

Or more likely that trend will end this year and KC, Buffalo, LAR, Seattle, GB, TB, Dallas or SF wins the SB.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

It's also due to the fact he plays what is easily the biggest weakness on the team.

He also has elite athletic traits and ridiculous measurables.  His best match athletically/measurables...Jeremy Chinn.  If I'm the Eagles, I sign Melifonwu after this tryout and have him study everything Chinn did last year and see how the Panthers utilized him.

This is the kind of guy I love to get excited about but how soon we forget Jerome Couplin.  The guy had everything you want in a safety, just couldn't put it together in the NFL.  My guess is the Eagles don't even sign him after this camp and we never hear from him again.

One last thing.  If you were to compare the following athletes, who would you rather try at OLB? 

ATHLETE 1

Height	6' 4"	98
Weight	224 lbs	97
Arm Length	32½"	80
Hand Size	9⅛"	33
40 Yard Dash	4.4s	95
Vertical Jump	44"	99
Broad Jump	141"	99
Bench Press	17 reps	53

ATHLETE 2

Height	6' 0"	9
Weight	228 lbs	10
Arm Length	32⅛"	42
Hand Size	9⅝"	53
40 Yard Dash	4.49s	95
Vertical Jump	35"	64
Broad Jump	127"	93
3-Cone Drill	6.96s	76
20 Yard Shuttle	4.26s	63
Bench Press	21 reps	44

 

 

26 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

He’s a qb?

Jalen Hurts >>> whoever lines up at CB2

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

Jalen Hurts >>> whoever lines up at CB2

Then we should move him to CB.

14 minutes ago, RLC said:

Jalen Hurts >>> whoever lines up at CB2

I'd argue that Maddox, coming into the draft, was a far better CB prospect than Hurts is QB prospect.  Granted, Maddox sucked last year.  But so did Hurts.

And McPhearson is also far closer to a prototypical CB than Hurts is QB.

Not to mention, you can be a good team with bad CBs (and we even have one really good CB).

So I'd say Hurts is actually far worse than our CB situation.  

Everyone may have had their eyes on Surtain/Horn/Farley/Samuel...but Mcphearson is a fairly talented prospect.  He has a chance to project as a starting outside CB...and if not, it only takes one offseason or trade deadline to add a good starter at the position.  

With Hurts...they are going to constrain the entire offense into a one read and run caretaker scheme because he can't be a normal QB.  Not only will it ground the offense, but it will also curtail the development of our massive investment in the WR position.

14 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Everyone may have had their eyes on Surtain/Horn/Farley/Samuel...but Mcphearson is a fairly talented prospect.  He has a chance to project as a starting outside CB...and if not, it only takes one offseason or trade deadline to add a good starter at the position.  

He was a reach because we fans hadn’t heard of him pre-draft. I don’t make up the rules. 

30 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Everyone may have had their eyes on Surtain/Horn/Farley/Samuel...but Mcphearson is a fairly talented prospect.  He has a chance to project as a starting outside CB...and if not, it only takes one offseason or trade deadline to add a good starter at the position.  

With Hurts...they are going to constrain the entire offense into a one read and run caretaker scheme because he can't be a normal QB.  Not only will it ground the offense, but it will also curtail the development of our massive investment in the WR position.

I kinda doubt that. Whether Hurts can be above average remains to be seen, but assuming he can't progress at all is jumping to conclusions on insufficient data. He mastered the Oklahoma offense without the luxury of a year in the program, coming in as a transfer, that suggests he's pretty smart. And he'll have about as good of QB coaching as it gets here.

So we'll see.  At least he'll have a real offensive line, a balanced rushing attack and a scheme and the WRs to give him open targets. Unlike last year.

20 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I kinda doubt that. Whether Hurts can be above average remains to be seen, but assuming he can't progress at all is jumping to conclusions on insufficient data. He mastered the Oklahoma offense without the luxury of a year in the program, coming in as a transfer, that suggests he's pretty smart. And he'll have about as good of QB coaching as it gets here.

So we'll see.  At least he'll have a real offensive line, a balanced rushing attack and a scheme and the WRs to give him open targets. Unlike last year.

Did Doug try to scheme our WRs into coverage?

3 hours ago, austinfan said:

Most conversions from CB to S fail. And a lot of big CBs with average speed, who you'd think would be good safety candidates, aren't even given a shot.

Depends on the player, Ware was cut here at CB, bounced twice, and became a starter at SS. Poyer was a college CB who became a FS after the Eagles cut him.

Safeties are generally much smarter than CBs, who don't have as varied responsibilities. Safeties also have to be better tacklers, unless you're using a true FS who plays deep and doesn't provide as much help in run support (but these guys are rare in today's game)

We're gonna agree to disagree here.  

3 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

You have safeties all the time that can play all the DB positions. Honestly it also depends on your scheme/DC, your background in different positions and coaching over your career. People think this is madden sometimes and you can just throw a person in a different position, flip sides etc and they will play fine. Not the case. As a DB in college I played all over the field, mainly FS but also in the slot, and on the outside. Now could I play in the box? Sure but I was not good for that position and was not to my strengths. Also I preferred the right side of the field and was more comfortable on that side which resulted in better play. We saw this very same thing with Dillard. His rookie year he played fine at the LT position but when he went to RT he struggled. Its a completely different beast swapping sides like that and he fully admitted he never played the right side and knew he would struggle. 

I find that a FS typically can be a bit less fluid than a CB but needs a better football instinct for taking the right angles than a CB.   The successful conversion players like Jenkins tend to be like that.  Jenkins was too stiff for a CB but had good instincts (good, not great).  

Top story on PE.com.  How an artist used 50 colors to create a mural for the schedule release video.  Why do I keep going back thinking they might have some extended coverage?  You'd have no idea rookie camp was going on if you were a casual fan going to the site.  Sad when the Browns have a website with 100% better content than the Eagles. 

I know it's a yearly gripe about the lack of information.  Who do we contact?  Is it even worth it? Does anyone else care?

11 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

 

OR McCORKLE JONES!!!!

Well, it appears it would have to be either a former Alabama QB, Wentz, or some lucky backup.