39 minutes ago, greend said:

 

I'm gonna go ahead and guess Texans ...... 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

The reality however, is that Howie seems to want value more than top end talent.  He's most likely looking at those 1st round draft picks as currency to buy Watson from the Texans rather than lottery tickets at the best players coming in to the NFL. In Howie's mind, he doesn't need to have 1st round picks in 2022 because the draft is so deep that talented players will get pushed down to later rounds.  We've seen this mindset when there have been loaded positions in past drafts (RB, WR, DT to name a few recent ones).  There very well could be 40 players with 1st round grades but a team lacking as much overall talent like the Eagles is in no position to keep ignoring building a team rather than focusing on 1 player.

You are likely right...   but when there's 40 first round talents and you have likely 3 first round picks, and likely a high 2 as well, you'd expect to come away with 3 of them.

48 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

 2022 is going to be a LOADED draft class and they currently have 10 picks, 6 in the 1st 3 rounds.  Ertz potentially brings back a 5th/6th and that's wishful thinking.  

1st

1st (Miami)

1st/2nd (Indy

 2nd

 2nd

I think you counted the Colts pick twice.

53 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I'm gonna go ahead and guess Texans ...... 

It's the whole NFL.

6 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I think you counted the Colts pick twice.

My bad, you're right.  Thanks for catching that. Still 5 picks in the first 3 rounds is legit ammo to add some great talent.

Just now, bpac55 said:

It's the whole NFL.

What's the whole NFL?

35 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You are likely right...   but when there's 40 first round talents and you have likely 3 first round picks, and likely a high 2 as well, you'd be come away with 3 of them.

unless Howie trades those 3 1st rounders and you're left with a 2nd. 

Just now, Alphagrand said:

What's the whole NFL?

You know as well as I do, the NFL doesn't actually care about every minority.  Just look at the phrasing in this explanation of the new minority/draft pick rules.

 

In a league where roughly 75% of players are African-Americans, there are only four minority head coaches. A similar pattern exists at general manager, with the Cleveland Browns' Andrew Berry and Miami Dolphins' Chris Grier the only Black men to hold the position.

 

I feel bad for Ron Rivera and Robert Saleh who seem to be forgotten men.  The NFL acts like black people are the only minorities.  It's why the message falls on deaf ears, not only in the NFL but in society today.  BLM, support Asians after a small uptick in Asian attacks...attacks on American Jewish people on the rise...crickets. 

We need to come to a point in our society where we stop looking at everyone under a microscope and making rules based on their skin tone/ethnicity.  Be a good man.  Be a good human.  Treat people the same no matter who they are.  Get rid of these rules that continue a divide. 

Professional sports are one of the greatest things the United States has.  I think we can all agree that we don't care what race our Owner, HC, QB all the way down to the water boy is as long as they put the Philadelphia Eagles in the best position to win a Super Bowl.  I think it's fair to say that every fan base across professional sports feels the same way. 

Our current president took office and stated he wanted to "heal the soul of our country.  No president can do that, we are too far gone with the political divide.  You know who could heal a country?  Our professional sports leagues.  They have all the power in the world to "control" what people think and change narratives that are being spread.  If our 4 major leagues would start promoting true unity rather than taking stances on hot topic issues I think the United States could get past this mess.  

Sorry for the rant, I know it belongs in CVON but the Eugene Chung article puts it clear as day that the NFL doesn't care about all minorities. 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

If we wake up one of these days to find out that Howie has traded 3 1st round picks for Watson that will not be good news IMO.  This team lacks so much talent and having 3 1st round picks puts them in a prime position to not only add top end talent next year but also continue to stockpile high picks in years to come.  A few of us on here have discussed how there really is no way Howie uses all 3 1st round picks next year, rather he should use two of them on top players and hopefully the 3rd can be traded for a 2023 1st.  

2022 is going to be a LOADED draft class and they currently have 10 picks, 5 in the 1st 3 rounds.  Ertz potentially brings back a 5th/6th and that's wishful thinking.  

1st

1st (Miami)

1st/2nd (Indy)

 2nd

 3rd

 4th

 5th 

 5th

 6th

 7th 

The reality however, is that Howie seems to want value more than top end talent.  He's most likely looking at those 1st round draft picks as currency to buy Watson from the Texans rather than lottery tickets at the best players coming in to the NFL. In Howie's mind, he doesn't need to have 1st round picks in 2022 because the draft is so deep that talented players will get pushed down to later rounds.  We've seen this mindset when there have been loaded positions in past drafts (RB, WR, DT to name a few recent ones).  There very well could be 40 players with 1st round grades but a team lacking as much overall talent like the Eagles is in no position to keep ignoring building a team rather than focusing on 1 player.

This makes absolutely no sense. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

This makes absolutely no sense. 

How?  What if the Eagles get a blue chip CB and DE with 2 of the 1st round picks and then a team offers you a 2022 3rd and 2023 1st for the remaining 2022 1st the Eagles have?  IMO, you take that trade.

2 1st round picks used, 1 traded away for a lower pick and future 1st.  3 1st round picks not used.

Just now, bpac55 said:

How?  What if the Eagles get a blue chip CB and DE with 2 of the 1st round picks and then a team offers you a 2022 3rd and 2023 1st for the remaining 2022 1st the Eagles have?  IMO, you take that trade.

2 1st round picks used, 1 traded away for a lower pick and future 1st.  3 1st round picks not used.

That’s a really, really bad trade assuming it isn’t the Texans making the offer. 

Is it possible the Eagles trade out of round 1 with one of their picks? Of course. But to say there’s no way they use all three first round picks on face value is absurd. We don’t know where the picks will be. We don’t know what talent will be on the board. Regardless, I can virtually guarantee Howie wouldn’t take the deal you suggested. 

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

You know as well as I do, the NFL doesn't actually care about every minority.  Just look at the phrasing in this explanation of the new minority/draft pick rules.

 

In a league where roughly 75% of players are African-Americans, there are only four minority head coaches. A similar pattern exists at general manager, with the Cleveland Browns' Andrew Berry and Miami Dolphins' Chris Grier the only Black men to hold the position.

 

I feel bad for Ron Rivera and Robert Saleh who seem to be forgotten men.  The NFL acts like black people are the only minorities.  It's why the message falls on deaf ears, not only in the NFL but in society today.  BLM, support Asians after a small uptick in Asian attacks...attacks on American Jewish people on the rise...crickets. 

We need to come to a point in our society where we stop looking at everyone under a microscope and making rules based on their skin tone/ethnicity.  Be a good man.  Be a good human.  Treat people the same no matter who they are.  Get rid of these rules that continue a divide. 

Professional sports are one of the greatest things the United States has.  I think we can all agree that we don't care what race our Owner, HC, QB all the way down to the water boy is as long as they put the Philadelphia Eagles in the best position to win a Super Bowl.  I think it's fair to say that every fan base across professional sports feels the same way. 

Our current president took office and stated he wanted to "heal the soul of our country.  No president can do that, we are too far gone with the political divide.  You know who could heal a country?  Our professional sports leagues.  They have all the power in the world to "control" what people think and change narratives that are being spread.  If our 4 major leagues would start promoting true unity rather than taking stances on hot topic issues I think the United States could get past this mess.  

Sorry for the rant, I know it belongs in CVON but the Eugene Chung article puts it clear as day that the NFL doesn't care about all minorities. 

I believe everyone should want qualified coaches and executives.

How does one become qualified to be an NFL coach?  Assistant coaches are predominately former players, and head coaches are predominately former assistant coaches.  GMs are typically people who work their way up through careers in the scouting and personnel department areas.  To stock that candidate pool there needs to be a sufficient pipeline of players and scouts to choose from; that means minority players and scouts -- regardless of what minority.

It doesn't make any difference if 75% of the players are black -- if they aren't pursuing coaching or scouting careers after their playing days are over.  Those are the qualifications to be a qualified coach or executive.  Players should not go straight from playing to head coach or GM jobs; they're not qualified.

If there were more Hispanic or Asian NFL players and scouts I might agree there should be more of them hired.  I don't believe they should be NFL GMs or head coaches if they don't have the qualifications.  The NFL filled 4 of the 7 GM openings with minorities.  There have been women hired and promoted to executive positions this offseason. 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

That’s a really, really bad trade assuming it isn’t the Texans making the offer. 

Is it possible the Eagles trade out of round 1 with one of their picks? Of course. But to say there’s no way they use all three first round picks on face value is absurd. We don’t know where the picks will be. We don’t know what talent will be on the board. Regardless, I can virtually guarantee Howie wouldn’t take the deal you suggested. 

It was just an example.  

I think you have to consider the cost of using 3 1st round picks as well.  If we have a top 5 pick you're looking anywhere from a $26-$35 million contract.

Then you have a pick at 15 or so...another $15 million contract.

Then maybe one of them is pick 25 or so...$13 million contract.

Aren't these things we need to consider when using all 3 1st round picks?  Are the Eagles going to be in position cap room wise to add contracts of $30 million, $15 million and $12 million at one shot?  I'm hoping the 6 GM's in the building are having discussions like this in regards to how they approach FA and the draft next year.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I believe everyone should want qualified coaches and executives.

How does one become qualified to be an NFL coach?  Assistant coaches are predominately former players, and head coaches are predominately former assistant coaches.  GMs are typically people who work their way up through careers in the scouting and personnel department areas.  To stock that candidate pool there needs to be a sufficient pipeline of players and scouts to choose from; that means minority players and scouts -- regardless of what minority.

It doesn't make any difference if 75% of the players are black -- if they aren't pursuing coaching or scouting careers after their playing days are over.  Those are the qualifications to be a qualified coach or executive.  Players should not go straight from playing to head coach or GM jobs; they're not qualified.

If there were more Hispanic or Asian NFL players and scouts I might agree there should be more of them hired.  I don't believe they should be NFL GMs or head coaches if they don't have the qualifications.  The NFL filled 4 of the 7 GM openings with minorities.  There have been women hired and promoted to executive positions this offseason. 

I agree with you 100%.  However, look at what Eugene Chung was told...'you're not the kind of minority we want".  That proves my point.

Again, I agree with you totally.  I stand by my thoughts as well.  It's not just the coaching hires, it's the messages they share.  

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

It was just an example.  

I think you have to consider the cost of using 3 1st round picks as well.  If we have a top 5 pick you're looking anywhere from a $26-$35 million contract.

Then you have a pick at 15 or so...another $15 million contract.

Then maybe one of them is pick 25 or so...$13 million contract.

Aren't these things we need to consider when using all 3 1st round picks?  Are the Eagles going to be in position cap room wise to add contracts of $30 million, $15 million and $12 million at one shot?  I'm hoping the 6 GM's in the building are having discussions like this in regards to how they approach FA and the draft next year.

Jalen Reagor’s rookie year cap hit as the 21st pick was $2.36M. If we can’t afford that even with inflation, we’ve got some major issues. 

There’s no need to jump through any mental hoops about three first-round picks. We will have room for them on the roster and cap space for them.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I agree with you 100%.  However, look at what Eugene Chung was told...'you're not the kind of minority we want".  That proves my point.

Again, I agree with you totally.  I stand by my thoughts as well.  It's not just the coaching hires, it's the messages they share.  

That's why I said Texans; they're a crapshow -- but -- in all seriousness, do you think Deshaun Watson would have been appeased by an Asian or Hispanic head coaching hire?

46 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

unless Howie trades those 3 1st rounders and you're left with a 2nd. 

Of course... and I meant to say 'expect' to come away with 3.   If he comes away with a QB (maybe Watson) and 2 others, that would be great.  If he got a QB like Watson and even 1 more, that would be acceptable... but that's unlikely.  Howie does love his 'value'.

7 hours ago, schuy7 said:

Here to end the Luck hate. Luck was a stud.

Andrew pulled an Oliver.  Used NFL money as seed money and then got out early, just as his old man did.  As an Oilers fan, Oliver left me jaded towards the Lucks. Pretty good QBs but not HOF level QBs by any stretch. Given a choice of Andrew or Eli Manning, I would take Eli every time. 

29 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

You know as well as I do, the NFL doesn't actually care about every minority.  Just look at the phrasing in this explanation of the new minority/draft pick rules.

 

In a league where roughly 75% of players are African-Americans, there are only four minority head coaches. A similar pattern exists at general manager, with the Cleveland Browns' Andrew Berry and Miami Dolphins' Chris Grier the only Black men to hold the position.

 

I feel bad for Ron Rivera and Robert Saleh who seem to be forgotten men.  The NFL acts like black people are the only minorities.  It's why the message falls on deaf ears, not only in the NFL but in society today.  BLM, support Asians after a small uptick in Asian attacks...attacks on American Jewish people on the rise...crickets. 

We need to come to a point in our society where we stop looking at everyone under a microscope and making rules based on their skin tone/ethnicity.  Be a good man.  Be a good human.  Treat people the same no matter who they are.  Get rid of these rules that continue a divide. 

Professional sports are one of the greatest things the United States has.  I think we can all agree that we don't care what race our Owner, HC, QB all the way down to the water boy is as long as they put the Philadelphia Eagles in the best position to win a Super Bowl.  I think it's fair to say that every fan base across professional sports feels the same way. 

Our current president took office and stated he wanted to "heal the soul of our country.  No president can do that, we are too far gone with the political divide.  You know who could heal a country?  Our professional sports leagues.  They have all the power in the world to "control" what people think and change narratives that are being spread.  If our 4 major leagues would start promoting true unity rather than taking stances on hot topic issues I think the United States could get past this mess.  

Sorry for the rant, I know it belongs in CVON but the Eugene Chung article puts it clear as day that the NFL doesn't care about all minorities. 

Agreed.

So if African Americans are 12% of the population and 75% of the NFL, should the NFL be working to increase diversity by decreasing the number of African American players?  I mean, they are over represented as nfl athletes and as highly paid players in the nfl.

One can’t just force numbers in line with what they should be under a random sampling of the population.

25 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

How?  What if the Eagles get a blue chip CB and DE with 2 of the 1st round picks and then a team offers you a 2022 3rd and 2023 1st for the remaining 2022 1st the Eagles have?  IMO, you take that trade.

2 1st round picks used, 1 traded away for a lower pick and future 1st.  3 1st round picks not used.

That’s a bad trade. You’re  essentially trading back from the first all the way to the third round and only getting a future first. 

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

That's why I said Texans; they're a crapshow -- but -- in all seriousness, do you think Deshaun Watson would have been appeased by an Asian or Hispanic head coaching hire?

If you're hiring your head coach to appease one player then you have bigger issues and that in itself is the problem.  WHO CARES what race the head coach is. 

The scenario you put out there is probably true.  I think Dave Culley was hired 100% because he's a black guy and they wanted to make Watson happy.  That's wrong on every level IMO.  It's wrong by Culley by using him strictly because of his race.  It's wrong to hire a black coach just to make your black quarterback happy.  That's where we are in 2021 however.  It's not equality, it's not racial justice, it's making a joke out of the original intent and dream of MLK.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That’s a bad trade. You’re  essentially trading back from the first all the way to the third round and only getting a future first. 

Again, I was just throwing an example out there off the top of my head.  It's not a trade I want.  

2 hours ago, greend said:

 

Considering the coaches that he coached under as the assistant position coach, a couple of things stand out, one of which is he doesn’t seem to get offered second contracts, except maybe by Howie.  But it seems unlikely whoever was conducting that interview was with the Eagles.   He went with the Reid staff the first time and Doug gave him a shot so his history is pretty much the AR tree and not gave up on him. Eagles had him with Mudd and then with Stout and neither Mudd nor Stout retained him. Not sure that is good for his resume.  Eagles did give him a broader role the last stint but it mirrored Stout’s widened role.  

34 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I believe everyone should want qualified coaches and executives.

How does one become qualified to be an NFL coach?  Assistant coaches are predominately former players, and head coaches are predominately former assistant coaches.  GMs are typically people who work their way up through careers in the scouting and personnel department areas.  To stock that candidate pool there needs to be a sufficient pipeline of players and scouts to choose from; that means minority players and scouts -- regardless of what minority.

It doesn't make any difference if 75% of the players are black -- if they aren't pursuing coaching or scouting careers after their playing days are over.  Those are the qualifications to be a qualified coach or executive.  Players should not go straight from playing to head coach or GM jobs; they're not qualified.

If there were more Hispanic or Asian NFL players and scouts I might agree there should be more of them hired.  I don't believe they should be NFL GMs or head coaches if they don't have the qualifications.  The NFL filled 4 of the 7 GM openings with minorities.  There have been women hired and promoted to executive positions this offseason. 

Are assistants really mostly former players or are assistants mostly assistants that worked their way up through the ranks, whether starting as graduate assistant coaches in college, high school coaches or assistant quality control coaches? Some happen to be former NFL players, some never played professionally.   It tends to be a process and some never progress very far.  Some shine right away.  And a good teacher of fundamentals isn’t necessarily a good play designer or a good play caller.   

I'd like to push for more white Irish americans in the defensive secondary. #drunkirishmen matter.

33 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Jalen Reagor’s rookie year cap hit as the 21st pick was $2.36M. If we can’t afford that even with inflation, we’ve got some major issues. 

There’s no need to jump through any mental hoops about three first-round picks. We will have room for them on the roster and cap space for them.

I am not sure rookie scale is how to look at it.  Let’s say he top two rounds of 2019, 2020 and 2021 all warrant second contracts commiserate with draft ranking.   That’s a starting LT, RB, QB, 2 WRs before even factoring in four picks next year.  That’s a lot of cap hit.   That’s not a bad position to be in talent wise but cap wise it can be difficult. So the idea of spreading a bit of next year’s draft capital forward into 2023 makes sense.  

3 hours ago, greend said:

 

These arguments have infiltrated education recently. Asians are increasingly grouped with whites as an ethnic group. Why? By grouping Asians with whites, it preserves the narrative that there is an ethnicity gap in educational achievement, particularly in science and math, and that such a gap is prima facia evidence of structural racism. Structural racism is central to Critical Race Theory, which views the totality of human interactions as a conflict between the oppressed (people of color) and the oppressors (whites). Marxists viewed this dynamic in terns of economic status, while the woke, with their CRT underpinnings, view it solely in terms of race.