1 hour ago, Wentz_Era said:

Sproles is #5 all time on the all purpose yards list.

Peters is legit in the discussion for GOAT of any position IMO.  

Kelce, if Saturday makes it soon...he's an eventual lock

Cox, is anything but a lock.  He's played in the era of Donald.  He hasn't had the flashy stats though his tape says he's one of the best defensive players in the league.

Lane, not even close because of the PED issue.

Wentz, we can only hope he last long enough to be in the discussion.  Right now he's not even remotely close until he wins a SB.  The injuries so far keep him out without a SB and another 8-10 years playing at a MVP level.

I don’t think sproles is a lock. Brian mitchell is no. 2 all time on that list and isn’t in the hall. Granted sproles has better offensive numbers than Mitchell but overall Mitchell is no. 2 and looking like he’s not going to get it anytime soon. I think sproles has a chance but i don’t think he’s a sure lock just cause he’s no. 5. Mitchell holds 3 NFL records for return yards, punt return yards and kickoff return yards. He has a first team all pro, 2 second team all pro and a pro bowl. Sproles has 3 pro bowls (Returner), 2 first team all pros and a second team all pro. I think he is going to have a better shot then Mitchell did but far from a lock. Sproles played 15 years and receiving/rushing combined only averaged 559 yards per season on offense. 2011-2013 were his best offensive years. Was great in 2011 had over 1200 yards. Only time in his career he went over 1000 yards receiving and rushing. I just don’t see him as a lock as the hall of fame i believe will overlook his return yards like Mitchell. Frankly i think There should be more ST players in the hall who are truly me changers as that

i also think cox can be argued was/been top 3 at DT position from 2015-2018 (if not the second best behind Donald). He might not be Aaron Donald but he’s still been top 3 Routinely and dominant in some of those years. If he plays at a high level for 2-3 more years i think it’s going to be hard for him not to make the hall of fame. He had a down year last year but i do think better players around him the next couple years he could be dominant like from 2015-2018. Let’s say he is a top 3 DT in 2020, 21 and 22 That’s nearly a decade of being a top 3 DT in the league. 

again i said lane have to play at a high level for the next 4 years to be a lock for eagles hall of fame. I think he could get in the running as a candidate (not that being a candidate means anything) for pro football if he plays like an all pro/pro bowler for 3-4 years(added on to 3 pro bowls and an all pro so far). PED definitely hurts him but i wouldn’t entirely rule him out depending on the next half decade i believe he has in him. Gonna take a lot no questions but i don’t see it as unthinkable depending on how he finishes his career. Likely? No. Would i bet on him doing it? No. By i also wouldn’t be surprised If he’s mentioned depending on how he finishes his career 

wentz like i said how his career potentially goes from here on out I could see it. Never said he was a lock or close. I said depending on how the rest of his career goes I could see it 

 

9 hours ago, schuy7 said:

One last thought on Dak and QB contracts...

I think what gets overlooked is that in 2-3 years like half the league will have invested $30M+ into their starting QB.

In 2022, cap hits are:

Cousins ... $45M
Ryan ... $41M
Rodgers ... $39M
Wilson ... $37M
Tannehill ... $34M
Goff ... $32M
Wentz ... $31M
Garoppolo ... $27M
Stafford ... $26M
Bridgewater ... $26M

Over the next two years, you figure to add Prescott, Mahomes, Watson, Jackson ... and we'll see for the younger, less proven QBs. Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, Murray, Jones, Haskins.

So about half the league will be paying $30M+ per year for their QB. It's become common place. Is it a disadvantage for those 16 or so teams compared to the other half? Sure. But there's a pretty good chance those other teams who aren't paying top dollar for a QB aren't relevant - or they have a QB on their rookie contract. 

It's just not the burden people think it is, IMO. 

The problem is if you pay a QB who isn't worth it that kind of money.

Yeah, Saks Passnot

7 hours ago, RLC said:

In practice, it's just unfair to expect teams drafting late to be as good as teams drafting early. That's one of the reasons there's so much league parity.

 

6 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

This is precisely the point. So if you're talking about players under the age of 25, you're probably talking about three drafts. Roughly that. If you're picking in the twenties or thirties, there would be about sixty players picked before you even had the chance to make a selection. It stands to reason that if you were to make of list of the best twenty five players, they would be among that group of early picks. Based on that, I would argue that the chance of a team picking late in the draft having a player who qualifies for that list would be closer to zero than to one. 

Sure, we all want the Eagles to have all these young super players, but it's absolutely unrealistic to argue that they should have them. And FFS, Goedert and Sanders could easily be on a subjective list like this anyway.

Nah, you guys just don't get it. Thezzzz Eaglezzzzzz Suckszzzz becausezzzzz theyzzzzz don'tzzzz havezzzzz someonezzzzz onzzzzz a listzzzzz. WE MUST EXPECT ALL OF OUR DRAFT PICKS TO BE ON THAT LIST NO MATTER WHERE WE PICK THEM!!!!!!!!!! <sarcasm>

7 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He was "given” two very talented but immature young players.  Neither of which have the drive and hunger that Jordan and Kobe had.  Embiid and Simmons are hardly championship caliber professionals.   

Eh I think you're half right here...Kobe for sure had drive and hunger, but lets not pretend he was anywhere close to mature till his life changing incident/scandal.  It's also very well documented about his beef with Shaq and how the dynamics of them working together on the court was hanging by a thread for a bit.

8 hours ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t know much about timing 40s based on video clips, but this guy had Reagor at 4.25. Maybe he was late on the start and it’s really a 4.30?

Probably.   And the Eagles apparently used technically that tested his in-game speed and it was still among the fastest players in the NFL.   
 

 

What I like about Reagor is that not only is he fast but he’s super-strong.  That’s pretty rare for a guy of his stature and speed.   He’s probably going to be stronger than 90% of the DB’s he faces in the NFL.  If he puts that to good use, he shouldn’t have issues getting off the line.  

14 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

What I like about Reagor is that not only is he fast but he’s super-strong.  That’s pretty rare for a guy of his stature and speed.   He’s probably going to be stronger than 90% of the DB’a he faces in the NFL.  If he puts that to good use, he shouldn’t have issues getting off the line.  

That’s why I want him on the line, not off it.

That’s where teams will often put their slower, stronger CB for press.  If Reagor has the strength to handle that guy...and he will...then the ensuing foot race is a terrible mismatch for the defense.

Then the defense puts their faster CB on Reagor to adjust and is left with their slower guy unable to get a hand on whomever our Z is...Desean/Goodwin/Hightower/Watkins.

2 hours ago, greend said:

 

Nah, you guys just don't get it. Thezzzz Eaglezzzzzz Suckszzzz becausezzzzz theyzzzzz don'tzzzz havezzzzz someonezzzzz onzzzzz a listzzzzz. WE MUST EXPECT ALL OF OUR DRAFT PICKS TO BE ON THAT LIST NO MATTER WHERE WE PICK THEM!!!!!!!!!! <sarcasm>

Just ignorant.  Wanting one impact player in 3 years is not synonymous with wanting all picks on that list no matter where we pick them.

I’m not sure even Sproles and Pumphrey are short enough to walk under that bar you set.  

 

33 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

What I like about Reagor is that not only is he fast but he’s super-strong.  That’s pretty rare for a guy of his stature and speed.   He’s probably going to be stronger than 90% of the DB’a he faces in the NFL.  If he puts that to good use, he shouldn’t have issues getting off the line.  

Super fast, super strong, and I believe tied for second at the combine in vertical. He's a physical freak.

32 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Super fast, super strong, and I believe tied for second at the combine in vertical. He's a physical freak.

Finally. I get the boom/bust factor is greater with this type of receiver but I prefer they take that risk than end up with yet another jordan Matthews or arcega-whiteside. I'm really excited to see reagor play

50 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Just ignorant.  Wanting one impact player in 3 years is not synonymous with wanting all picks on that list no matter where we pick them.

I’m not sure even Sproles and Pumphrey are short enough to walk under that bar you set.  

 

Somebody made a list, it's not gospel.

 

Is Sanders not an impact player?

He's 23, but not on THAT guy's list.

I would certainly consider him an impact player under 25.

 

31 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Super fast, super strong, and I believe tied for second at the combine in vertical. He's a physical freak.

I have been saying that I am not convinced that Dallas’ press corners are a good fit for the speed of the NFL.  Worked against our big WRs but not so well against our TEs.  Thing is, as the Z, you just about can’t risk press on DJax.  If you do, you had better have S help because if you don’t get a hand on him, he is gone.  Reagor seems to have a burst too.  Explosive.  Hightower has a nice change of speed move but I wouldn’t call it a burst per se.   Both he and Watkins struggle a bit against the press. Giants big CB signing is a press CB but the rest of their CBs aren’t.  Should be interesting chess match  

2 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

Somebody made a list, it's not gospel.

 

Is Sanders not an impact player?

He's 23, but not on THAT guy's list.

I would certainly consider him an impact player under 25.

 

Sanders doesn’t prove his point, though.  You have to consider Sanders as a blind squirrel pick.  

12 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

I’m not a big Phil Jackson fan, but there is a chicken-and-egg argument to be made here.  Neither Jordan nor Bryant simply walked on an NBA court as great players without coaching and developing playing a large part.  
 

Jordan was a 3rd overall pick, Bryant was 13th overall.  Maybe they were all-time greats in no small part due to Phil Jackson’s influence and coaching.

Jordan was a great talent without Phil Jackson. Jordan also had some pretty good coaching in his college years.   You can't have really watched Jordan and think he wouldn't have been an all time great player in any circumstance.   I don't know that Jordan would have won 6 Championships without Jackson.  

8 hours ago, TEW said:

 

Shaq took the Magic to the finals before he even made it to the Lakers. Jackson stepped into the Bulls when Jordan was already clearly the best player in the world and had just entered the peak of his powers and Pippen was just hitting his prime. Combine that with the entire eastern conference getting old, and he was set up to win. Great timing makes all the difference in life.

I'd take Kobe over them. Especially Russell.  He's the Phil Jackson of centers -- incredibly overrated.  Dude played with FIVE other hall of famers.  The fact that when playing head to head Wilt's numbers actually improved (he even set the NBA rebound record against the greatest ever defensive big man) speaks volumes about this supposed defensive juggernaut's ability.  Let's be real here... you stick Wilt in any era and he's a 30 and 12 type of player.  Shaq before Shaq on offense, and a way better defender, rebounder and passer.  You stick Russell in the modern age and he's Ben Wallace at best -- a tweener center who offers little on the offensive end of the court.

Nash? Petit? Curry? Malone (either of them)? And you're telling me to stop it?

Reality stings...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_career.html -- #27

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_career.html -- #19

Kobe was a high volume shooter and scorer. He averaged 25 PPG (13th all time, below Pettit and Karl Malone), and this is his BEST stat. He averaged just over 5 boards and under 5 assists per game, never shot above 50% and was a below 45% career shooter. But, on his BEST STAT, he is 13th all-time.

Moses Malone won 3 MVP awards. Karl Malone, Bob Pettit and Steve Nash won 2. Kobe won iT once. And I wouldn't put Nash above Kobe still.

Your opinion, backed up by no facts, is that you'd put him ahead of 3 of the 12 guys I listed ahead of him (Russell, Duncan and Hakeem). Russell, who won 3 MVPs and more championships than anyone else. Duncan, who won 5 titles, 2 MVPs, 3 Finals MVPs and 13 straight all-defensive teams and Hakeem (2 time champion, MVP, Defensive player of the year). Even then, you admit 9 guys are clearly ahead of Kobe, and yet somehow he is a slam dunk top 10 player. Yeah..OK.

Basically, I have facts, data and reality. You have your feelings. So yeah -- STOP IT.

11 hours ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

Your sarcasm escapes me, but you do as well, so I win twice.

You should probably change that diet.  Too many legumes and nuts can cause early menopause.  

49 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

Somebody made a list, it's not gospel.

 

Is Sanders not an impact player?

He's 23, but not on THAT guy's list.

I would certainly consider him an impact player under 25.

 

I like Sanders a lot.

I think we aren’t doing well enough if a RB who split carries last year is our preeminent impact player under 25.  That speaks to the problem.

theres no way Kobe is in the top 5 all time, not even close

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Just ignorant.  Wanting one impact player in 3 years is not synonymous with wanting all picks on that list no matter where we pick them.

I’m not sure even Sproles and Pumphrey are short enough to walk under that bar you set.  

 

SANDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!

56 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

Somebody made a list, it's not gospel.

 

Is Sanders not an impact player?

He's 23, but not on THAT guy's list.

I would certainly consider him an impact player under 25.

 

Like talking to a child

1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

Super fast, super strong, and I believe tied for second at the combine in vertical. He's a physical freak.

He's a Steve Smith clone.  I know some of us have mentioned it before but I really think he plays ths same game.

1 minute ago, greend said:

SANDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!

See above

14 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I like Sanders a lot.

I think we aren’t doing well enough if a RB who split carries last year is our preeminent impact player under 25.  That speaks to the problem.

Ok, yet you're pissing and moaning about "not having one impact player under 25" due to some random list someone made.

Now you admit there is probably one we have.

Did many teams on his list have multiple multiple players?

 

That's not even one for each team in the top 25 and there certainly are impact players under 25 on every team in the league.

 

Newsflash: Most top impact players in the league are not under the age of 25. There just aren't many guys pushing the "impact meter" much in their first contract.

I'm not saying they can't draft better, but it's certainly not as terrible as you'd like to make it out to be in your misguided search for your perfection.

 

 

3 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

Ok, yet you're pissing and moaning

Could have just ended your post here, that is all he does.