According to PFF, Pocic graded out at 43.3 in 91 snaps last year and 45.9 in 296 snaps last year. In 2018, he finished at 50.4 in 639 snaps. 

He’s really bad. 

Obviously Jones has been bad, but he’s flashed just enough to keep some level of optimism, plus he’s under team control for two years. Pocic is a FA after this season. 

For comparison’s sake, Jones was 63.5 in 2019 and 47.5 in 2018. 

Douglas was 52.4 in 2019 and 69.6 in 2018. 

OT had a friend carted off the golf course last night with a heart attack. AED saves him. Go hug your kids

I'm going to jump around a bit on this one.  I am going to arbitrarily break "healthcare" into a few segments:

1. Establishing standard of care/best practice protocols based on evidence.

2. High end, cost-heavy heroic interventions.

3. Training.

4. Innovation.

5. Medical (non-surgical) management of chronic disease and 90% of ailments).

 

Now, when using metrics to compare countries, there are rates and there are absolute numbers.  Literacy rates, poverty rates, infant mortality rates, etc.  Those rates are metrics by which a highly diverse country of 330m can't compete with a small wealthy nation of 30m.  The US bears the burden of disillusioned Americans comparing these rates to countries like Canada, Sweden, and Switzerland, which is just an impossibility.  But whatever, I'm the first to complain about bad draft picks; always aim higher.  

Now...absolute metrics?  Gold medals, GDP, top universities, tech innovation....'Murica.  Amirite?  But if you were to compare the US to all of the EU on that front...or where we project China to be in 30 years...we are looking like #2.

Now, let's go back to #'s 1-4 on the above list.  The rest of the world, combined, is a blip on the radar compared to the work done by the US.  Notice I say "by the US" and not "by Americans."  This is truly the all roads lead to Rome cliche.  Sure, there are a smattering of spectacular, isolated exceptions around the globe...but heart surgery, brain surgery, neuroscience research, cellular research, pharma research, bioengineering, medical device innovation.....if you are that good, anywhere in the world, you come to the US.  There are wealthy people at the top of their fields leaving their families and life behind just to get their foot in the door to take their work here.  There are people well trained in England, Canada, China, and Germany who are re-doing nearly a decade of training just to learn more and have the chance to practice here.     

The reason our meds are so expensive?  We are paying to R&D the drugs that are affordable, or generic, or free around the globe.  We develop drugs, protocol, innovation...Americans pay for it.  The rest of the world consumes it.

Heavy (or better said...expensive) is the head that wears the crown.  When we complain about the cost of our healthcare system...realize that we are financing all of this.  If we want to retract from all of that and talk about primary care and how cheap it is to go to the ER for a broken foot, how cheap it is to get hypertension meds developed in another country, how cheap it is to get chemo in a protocol and dosage figured out by another country...then that's a separate debate to be had.  

 

21 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

That's not fair at all.  The are specifically referring only to primary care doctors and their practices.  And they do, at least, acknowledge that specialty care is an issue there.

If we want our health care system to be focused on primary care only, then their healthcare system IS an ideal.  Wait times are good, (primary care) docs are very happy and competitively paid, level of care is uniformly excellent.  

If we want to talk specialty care, wait times are exorbitant, people are crossing the border, docs are crossing the border, and the quality is higher in the states.  

You could certainly create the argument that our country's focus on specialty care has not gotten us anywhere.  Our overall system spends a massive amount of money on heroic end of life interventions and underinvests in preventative medicine.  So perhaps the rest of the world's focus is more important.  That's a fair argument.

But if you turn your body into a crushed bug after a motorcycle wreck, want your 4th surgery to carefully take out cancer in your body, or want a diligent ICU team to fight for you after your 2nd week on a ventilator for COVID, there's only one country in the world where you will be kept alive.  

So if you want socialized medicine, we need to have a national discussion about giving up these things.  And believe me...Americans want those aforementioned things.  

Not going to copy paste but True or False 4 and 5 disagree with your statement. Are you saying Kaiser is wrong or they didn’t address your points directly ?

It also says there is far less exodus-ing than previously and even doctors heading back from the US to Canada

 

20 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

Not going to copy paste but True or False 4 and 5 disagree with your statement. Are you saying Kaiser is wrong or they didn’t address your points directly ?

It also says there is far less exodus-ing than previously and even doctors heading back from the US to Canada

 

https://bmchealthservres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12913-016-1908-2

Read the actual medical article they are citing and then look at their conclusions.  I'd say they are reaching.

Then look at their other source:

https://www.cmaj.ca/content/186/11/E407  This is basically a brochure for Canadian healthcare.

Another source they used:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/10/11/trumps-claim-about-canadians-traveling-to-the-united-states-for-medical-care/

Washington Post, ultra liberal, and article bashing Trumps lies (and there are many)...but their own source acknowledges a huge disparity in the wait time for specialized procedures.  And it also acknowledges that many Canadians ARE crossing the border for high end procedures....but NOT for primary care...which is the entire crux of the argument.

 

Digging through the sources shows just how misleading the interpretation by this Kaiser article really is.

Look, Canada's healthcare system does MANY things better than us.

Focus on the easier to manage 90% of health problems from the primary care perspective.  Make it affordable and universally accessible.  And use the drugs, protocols, technology, and procedures developed and vetted by our American friends whose bloated, expensive system we like to criticize.  

You can argue that's better than our set up.

But don't go to China, see a local driving a Ferrari, and say that China has better cars than Italy.

1 hour ago, The guy in France said:

You tend to give him a pass or maybe faults is an understatement 

32 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

OT had a friend carted off the golf course last night with a heart attack. AED saves him. Go hug your kids

Glad your friend is still alive

52 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Maybe for Rasul, who actually fits Seattle’s defense pretty well. 

and since Rasul seems to be disliked here

1 hour ago, greend said:

That's not my responsibility to come up with candidates. But I certainly liked Ben Carson, there are probably a million people I would vote for above the two clowns that are in this race. Crazy Trump and Old Senile Biden..........................Seriously?  

Ben Carson believes that the Earth is about 6,000 years old. While that view was common, even among scientists, in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, to hold such a view in the twenty-first century is disqualifying for any major public office.

3 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Ben Carson believes that the Earth is about 6,000 years old. While that view was common, even among scientists, in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, to hold such a view in the twenty-first century is disqualifying for any major public office.

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3 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Ben Carson believes that the Earth is about 6,000 years old. While that view was common, even among scientists, in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, to hold such a view in the twenty-first century is disqualifying for any major public office.

He literally said he does not believe that.  He has had discussions where he talks about scientific backing behind the Bible and vice versa, which certainly is an awkward territory.  

Ben Carson has forgotten more about science than the rest of the political arena combined...

10 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Ben Carson believes that the Earth is about 6,000 years old. While that view was common, even among scientists, in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, to hold such a view in the twenty-first century is disqualifying for any major public office.

So does early stage dementia.

Not hyperbole. My father in law died with dementia.  Looking at Biden is like looking at a video of my father in law in his early stages.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

He literally said he does not believe that.  He has had discussions where he talks about scientific backing behind the Bible and vice versa, which certainly is an awkward territory.  

Ben Carson has forgotten more about science than the rest of the political arena combined...

He has said it in the past - this must be a recent "conversion." 

As for your second contention, it is ridiculous. 

Just now, Desertbirds said:

He has said it in the past - this must be a recent "conversion." 

As for your second contention, it is ridiculous. 

https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/38306122_Benjamin_S_Carson

It's not.  

 

And read the quote where he literally said it, which was interpreted as him believing the world is 6,000 years old.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

For comparison’s sake, Jones was 63.5 in 2019 and 47.5 in 2018. 

Douglas was 52.4 in 2019 and 69.6 in 2018. 

So they're both really bad.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

So they're both really bad.

You can't tell that unless you can compare them to the better CBs 

What is the link for these stats?

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/38306122_Benjamin_S_Carson

It's not.  

 

And read the quote where he literally said it, which was interpreted as him believing the world is 6,000 years old.

You do realize, I hope, that a Nobel Prize winner in physics served in the Obama Administration. I could name other examples of esteemed scientists serving in the political arena.

 

17 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

You do realize, I hope, that a Nobel Prize winner in physics served in the Obama Administration. I could name other examples of esteemed scientists serving in the political arena.

 

I assume you are referring to Steven Chu.  A friend of mine and MIT physics prof referred to him as a complete fraud, but that's neither here nor there.  I can't substantiate it and I'm sure the guy is a scientific genius regardless.  He was secretary of energy, a position that should be held by scientists, although typically has not been under republican administrations (Trump has energy lobbyists in there).  I was primarily referring to elected politicians.  Rush Holt is one, although his contributions are fairly negligible compared to Carson.

Guys people get elected to be president, regardless of whether their opposition feels they should or not. It's not worth arguing over.

35 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

So does early stage dementia.

Not hyperbole. My father in law died with dementia.  Looking at Biden is like looking at a video of my father in law in his early stages.

Biden is a compromise candidate that Democrats settled on figuring if the election is close guys like you and greend would vote for him, salt of the earth. I’d say they miscalculated and should have gone for the best Democratic candidate, compromise be damned

 

9 hours ago, Utebird said:

Anarchy???

Yeah and that's stupid.  

44 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

So they're both really bad.

Yes. Would you prefer a bad player with upside at corner or a bad player with upside at guard given our current roster?