5 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

Winning a Super Bowl and making the playoffs the next 2 years isn’t mediocrity. 4-12 is but that’s an outlier.

Disagree. You are not putting everything in context. Howie deserves his share of credit for the Super Bowl, and I’ve never said otherwise, and never will. 
 

That said, the two following years were 9-7 seasons. One of them we needed help just getting into the playoffs, and a year later, we were the best of a putrid division, and didn’t win a playoff game. Under Howie, this team has never had a sustained stretch of being a top contending team. 2017 was the first year under Howie we even won a playoff game, and if not for a well timed timeout by Doug and Trayvon Hester’s fingers not being an inch shorter, it would be the only year under Howie we won a playoff game. Simply being a playoff team is not an indication of being that good of a team. Technically, we were in the playoff hunt last year until the end of week 16. 
 

The Super Bowl year is the clear outlier. 

Extending Goedert before the season is a no-brainer smart decision.  The type this organization used to make with younger talented players. 

6 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

All your post told me is signing Goedert before the TE market blows up is a good thing.

I understand that thought process but at the same time, I just don't think the Eagles are in a position to pay a TE $13 million/year with all of the other glaring holes on the roster.  They need to invest money at CB, S, DE at the very least next year.  I would rather get top talent at those positions and bring in a lower cost TE.  It's going to be interesting to see how it plays out for sure.

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Extending Goedert before the season is a no-brainer smart decision.  The type this organization used to make with younger talented players. 

That was before the current GM mismanaged the cap into oblivion.

I wouldn’t pay Godert right now. I’d rather have the cap to fix the Dline or Oline down the road. 

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I'm no Howie fan...but I would not argue that making moves specifically to save face and force through his picks is high on my list of gripes with him.

We stuck with those players too long because Howie was too crappy at his job to find anyone better.  As horrendous as Alshon Jeffery was, he went back into the lineup because he was the most reliable WR option.  Agholor stayed in the lineup for so long because he was the only WR they've drafted in years who could get open...despite the fact that he can't catch.

Sweat is a rare pick I loved and a player I like a lot, but there is well-founded concern that he lacks the motor, endurance, and durability to be a 3-down DE.  And he's the most disruptive DE Howie has drafted in a decade.  So that's why Barnett, an underwhelming, injury-prone, flag-magnet, first round reach who hustles through all facets of the game through 3 downs is still starting at RDE here on an absurdly overpriced 1st round 5th year option.  

This isn't propping up his guys...it's incompetence at finding new players to replace the few, mediocre, reliable players that remain.

Whoa.  Not a fan of the accountant either but some of this is a bit skewed.  The Eagles were paying Jeffery a lot of money because he was so skilled at boxing out and getting receptions.  Fulgham hit a wall and JJAW never progressed so I can see why Doug, yes, Doug went with Jeffery based on past experience and the one TD he caught was a great example of it. 

Agholor excelled with Foles and last year with the Raiders.  The jury is out as to whether Agholor was solely the issue or if it was he fit poorly with Wentz.  If the latter, is that Howie or Doug at fault.

Sweat was a fourth round draft choice.  The third rotational DE is perfect for that capital.  People are quick to criticize Barnett but his job in the wide nine was to seal, not sack. Same with Graham. Barnett does a pretty good job on that.  I am real curious to see what a new DC does with the DL pieces in a different scheme.  I hope to retain the dominance against the run but mixing in some blitz and stunts see an increase in sacks too.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Meh...  Trying to catch lightning in a bottle like he did with Sam Bradford.  Those situations don't come along every year.  I'd have preferred to be rid of that contract and have this issue resolved.  Frankly, I think that's worth more than the potential gain in waiting.  More than likely this ends up being a lose-lose situation.

ESPECIALLY for a TE. A Qb or LT sure. A DE maybe. No ones going to panic and overpay for a TE. 

28 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I understand that thought process but at the same time, I just don't think the Eagles are in a position to pay a TE $13 million/year with all of the other glaring holes on the roster.  They need to invest money at CB, S, DE at the very least next year.  I would rather get top talent at those positions and bring in a lower cost TE.  It's going to be interesting to see how it plays out for sure.

Every team that has won a SB in the last 5 years has had a good TE. And i disagree. They need to draft well at CB, S, and DE, not overpay for them. Which with Wallace and Mcpherson we could have already accomplish that. We will find out.

2 hours ago, MillerTime said:

We aren’t missing anything based on this post

Don’t quote the f’n troll 

57 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is a list of what I consider the top UDFA TE next year, some older veterans, a few journeyman, high draft picks and guys looking for their 2nd contract.  There are a lot more, it's a huge TE class.  Keep in mind this is just the FA list.   I think Gesicki is in the bottom 10 of the FA class let alone the other TE's signed. 

This is why I'm not giving Goedert top 3 money.  I'd take a handful of these guys over him, especially at what he wants.

 

Zach Ertz

OJ Howard

Jimmy Graham

Gronk

Dallas Goedert

Mike Gesicki

Maxx Williams

Logan Thomas

Evan Engram

Hayden Hurst

David Njoku

Mo Alie-Cox

Gerald Everett

Robert Tonyan

Mark Andrews

 

That's not including guys who are signed.  Travis Kelce, George Kittle, Darren Waller, Noah Fant, TJ Hockenson, Hunter Henry, Jonnu Smith.  There are so many good tight ends in the NFL and you have Kyle Pitts, Pat Freiermuth and Tommy Tremble coming in as rookies.

You need to watch more Gesicki. I’d say only Goedert and Andrews are above. 

1 minute ago, MillerTime said:

Every team that has won a SB in the last 5 years has had a good TE. And i disagree. They need to draft well at CB, S, and DE, not overpay for them.

Sure, if they draft well that solves all issues....however who's the last good CB, S or DE they've drafted?   Josh Sweat is a good rotational player but he isn't solving any issues.  

23 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Exactly.  You don’t always need to have top talent at TE.  But you need to have a good O line and D line.  And you secondary needs at least be serviceable.  

And we need another 1st round WR next year to compete. 

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Sure, if they draft well that solves all issues....however who's the last good CB, S or DE they've drafted?   Josh Sweat is a good rotational player but he isn't solving any issues.  

Give Wallace and McPherson a chance to develop. 

1 minute ago, MillerTime said:

Give Wallace and McPherson a chance to develop. 

Total unknowns still and Wallace didn't impress during his time on the field last year.  So aside from those 2...who are the last players at CB, S and DE they have drafted that have become solid players or even starters. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Meh...  Trying to catch lightning in a bottle like he did with Sam Bradford.  Those situations don't come along every year.  I'd have preferred to be rid of that contract and have this issue resolved.  Frankly, I think that's worth more than the potential gain in waiting.  More than likely this ends up being a lose-lose situation.

Part of me hopes he fails.  You have to believe when Chip cut loose DJax for nothing Howie was in Lurie’s ear about that so if something similar happens to Howie with Ertz, both you and I may ultimately be satisfied with the results. We’ll see.

15 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

I wouldn’t pay Godert right now. I’d rather have the cap to fix the Dline or Oline down the road. 

If they don't sign him to an extension they should trade him by the trade deadline. 

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

And we need another 1st round WR next year to compete. 

Ugh no way.  WR in FA.  3 consecutive years picking a WR in round 1 is stupid.

1 minute ago, Freshmilk said:

Ugh no way.  WR in FA.  3 consecutive years picking a WR in round 1 is stupid.

In a regular year I would agree.  With potentially having 3 1st round picks, if WR is BPA take him.  If Chris Olave is sitting there with their 3rd 1st after they hopefully address DE and CB and he's BPA, I have a hard time not taking him.

3 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Ugh no way.  WR in FA.  3 consecutive years picking a WR in round 1 is stupid.

Shhhh just go with it 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Shhhh just go with it 

OK.  I'll say no more.

19 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Part of me hopes he fails.  You have to believe when Chip cut loose DJax for nothing Howie was in Lurie’s ear about that so if something similar happens to Howie with Ertz, both you and I may ultimately be satisfied with the results. We’ll see.

I'll believe that when I see it.

1 hour ago, 315Eagles said:

Getting the #1 pick this year, 2022 draft, would most likely mean getting Sam Howell or Spencer Rattler.  No thanks.

Rather get the #1 pick for the 2023 draft. At least you could get the kid from Clemson, DJ U.  I thought there was another highly rated QB prospect that year as well but cant think of any names.  Have to look it up.

Suck for Shough 

2 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

Getting the #1 pick this year, 2022 draft, would most likely mean getting Sam Howell or Spencer Rattler.  No thanks.

Rather get the #1 pick for the 2023 draft. At least you could get the kid from Clemson, DJ U.  I thought there was another highly rated QB prospect that year as well but cant think of any names.  Have to look it up.

I just posted about this the other day in the old thread.  

I love Sam Howell but I think he takes a huge step back this year.  He lost his top 2 WR and 2 of the best RB in college football last year.  Now, if he can carry UNC, then he's cemented as top QB.

DJ Uiagalelei is the real deal in 2023.  He's pre-dbag Cam Newton. 

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Blow for Shough 

FYP

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Suck for Shough 

Kill us for Willis