4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Dammit. 

That’s too bad - he would’ve been a great prospect to replace Avery. I think Ojabo has the versatility as well.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Our OK cap is like 6th most in the league. I know 14M isnt a lot, but 6th best is worth noting as far as looking at teams who have the best opportunities to imrove.

Watson has no guaranteed money after 2022, so it'd be easy to extend/restructure him if we traded for him. His current 2022 cap hit for the acquiring team is 35M. 

There was a 3 way tie for predictions: all off by 2 total points

@4for4EaglesNest predicted 17 - 31

@DrPhilly predicted 13 - 31

@Iggles25 predicted 16 -30

You guys can figure out how you want to divvy up the "attaboy". 

 

Bonus prediction winners:

@Alphagrand Hurts less than 60% and leads team in rushing

@Casey @ Bat games is over by second half

@Ipiggles Eagles 1-3 on 4th down

 

13 minutes ago, RLC said:

When Watson said no to the Eagles, we were coming of a 4-12-1 season in which we fired our coach. We had no cap room. We were a joke.

Now, we're a playoff team with 3 1st round picks, an "ok" cap, a HC that players like and stability.

Very different situations for Watson. We're a much better option for him over say Carolina.

We were a playoff team in name only. Without the expanded regular season and the attendant extra game against the J-E-T-S, Jets, we not even a winning team. Without the expanded playoff slate, we are not a playoff team.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I don't think GB can afford to move Love because their starting QB, Tender Flake, might either retire or bolt on them at the end of this season.  

Obviously it would be contingent on Rodgers staying. They will know by the time the new league year starts and trading opens. 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

That 6th most number is 6th most amongst playoff teams.  Eagles are 22nd in 2022 cap space.

oh ok. Not a spectacular selling point  then , in that context. But at least, still a playoff team with cap space and tons of picks in the upcoming draft. 

I am salivating at the thought of letting one of those FO people go for 2 more 3rds, and potentially trading Dillard for a 3rd. Would love a Hurts trade too. Imagine all of those top 100 picks.

Just now, Desertbirds said:

We were a playoff team in name only. Without the expanded regular season and the attendant extra game against the J-E-T-S, Jets, we not even a winning team. Without the expanded playoff state, we are not a playoff team.

But we were a playoff team…

Just now, ManuManu said:

TBF, Sirianni said yesterday he needed to do a better job of scheming plays to Smith. 

He did say that, but he was making excuses for not doing it in the same breath, too.  He made the ridiculous comment that their defense was doing things to take him away, yet their CB was sitting off the line of scrimmage by 12 yards.  Easy quick completions to Smith could've been had until that CB moves up within 8 yards of Smith.

16 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Say what you want about Carr, but he did get Hunter Renfrow to 103 catches, 1000 yards and 9 TD's

Oh, I'm on board with the Carr talk.  Hunter Renfrow is also an elite route runner on the same level as DeVonta Smith.  It's what he was known for at Clemson and he's just gotten better every year.  If Smith had 103 catches, he's at 1,500 yards for the year and DJack's rookie record is obliterated with or without the 17th game.

 

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Watson has no guaranteed money after 2022, so it'd be easy to extend/restructure him if we traded for him. His current 2022 cap hit for the acquiring team is 35M. 

I made this point months ago. That contract was set up by the Texans so they could restructure it after the 2021 or 2022 season and get some cap relief. Whoever acquires him is going to restructure that contract

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

TBF, Sirianni said yesterday he needed to do a better job of scheming plays to Smith. 

I read "scheming" as giving Hurts no choice.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Oh, I'm on board with the Carr talk.  Hunter Renfrow is also an elite route runner on the same level as DeVonta Smith.  It's what he was known for at Clemson and he's just gotten better every year.  If Smith had 103 catches, he's at 1,500 yards for the year and DJack's rookie record is obliterated with or without the 17th game.

And he got two 1000 yard season out of Darren Waller.  I don't think Goedert is quite as good, but Carr would definitely get him the ball.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Oh, I'm on board with the Carr talk.  Hunter Renfrow is also an elite route runner on the same level as DeVonta Smith.  It's what he was known for at Clemson and he's just gotten better every year.  If Smith had 103 catches, he's at 1,500 yards for the year and DJack's rookie record is obliterated with or without the 17th game.

They’re not really comparable in terms of the routes they run. Just because Renfrow caught 100 doesn’t mean Smith would. 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

But we were a playoff team…

False positive...

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

And he got two 1000 yard season out of Darren Waller.  I don't think Goedert is quite as good, but Carr would definitely get him the ball.

 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

But we were a playoff team…

And an embarrassment to the playoffs and an indictment of the expanded format.  But yes, a playoff team.

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

I agree. It's why I want to trade 2022 1sts for 2023 1sts and see what Hurts does in 2022. If we're average or below, we trade up for a young QB.

If they can acquire a 2023 first that's fine but deferring the cost of a QB at the expense of adding talent now is a bad decision.  Teams can always trade future assets to acquire players that are available.  Trading away current assets when those assets could build the roster isn't a good decision by itself.  They need to add talent, especially on defense, that becomes a young core.  There's no guarantee that the answer to QB is going to be available through the draft in 2023.  I don't mind trading a first round pick for a future first but I don't think that's just based on getting a QB.  There's a value to having future assets and assets allocated over time because of roster limits and the salary cap.  Trading one first is good probably.  Trading away multiple firsts is probably not good.   

Just now, ManuManu said:

They’re not really comparable in terms of the routes they run. Just because Renfrow caught 100 doesn’t mean Smith would. 

Not saying they are comparable in that sense.  Just making the point that Renfrow isn't a slouch...he's darn good.  I'm also suggesting that with a QB who can make his reads and utilize his WR, Smith could be a 100 catch WR.

Smith averaged less than 4 catches per game.  That's absurd for A. the resources used to get him and B. the number of plays where he's wide open and C. the modern NFL geared towards the passing game.

Smith can be a volume WR and a deep threat if they used him right/had a QB who knows how to find him.

35 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

What do you think he’d cost, and is that worth it for a stopgap?

1st: everything has a price - Hurts cost a 2nd? Was that worth it? Jjaw a 2nd? Reagor a 1st? Would Carr bring more Value then the results we got from those picks ( if you sent a 1st and 2-  2nds)?  Hard to argue he would not briing more value.  

 

I personally think it may get to a 1st + situation- and at that price I have to ask my self a few things: (This assumes we do not have a long term answer avail this offseason)

•  whats the cost of not picking up a better QB to help Smith and Watkins develop and not become disgruntled and regress?
• What other options do we have to improve that position and what are those costs VS what is expected level of performance?
• What is Howies hit ratio on high draft Picks (Hint it's around 30-40% at best) 

When I look at these things, I think that it may be worth it as a stop gap. 

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Not saying they are comparable in that sense.  Just making the point that Renfrow isn't a slouch...he's darn good.  I'm also suggesting that with a QB who can make his reads and utilize his WR, Smith could be a 100 catch WR.

Smith averaged less than 4 catches per game.  That's absurd for A. the resources used to get him and B. the number of plays where he's wide open and C. the modern NFL geared towards the passing game.

Smith can be a volume WR and a deep threat if they used him right/had a QB who knows how to find him.

Renfrow had 24 more targets than DeVonta.  Renfrow had 39 more receptions than DeVonta.  That difference is having a QB.

I'd rather roll with Minshew than Hurts for next year. I don't know why people are even considering it

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Not saying they are comparable in that sense.  Just making the point that Renfrow isn't a slouch...he's darn good.  I'm also suggesting that with a QB who can make his reads and utilize his WR, Smith could be a 100 catch WR.

Smith averaged less than 4 catches per game.  That's absurd for A. the resources used to get him and B. the number of plays where he's wide open and C. the modern NFL geared towards the passing game.

Smith can be a volume WR and a deep threat if they used him right/had a QB who knows how to find him.

I don’t disagree that he could be a 100-catch receiver. Obviously we need more out of our QB to get him and Goedert the ball. 

12 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

My thoughts exactly. I wasn't 100% sure SF would win, but I felt they had the best shot of any possible opponent today.

Cowpads have no one to blame but themselves.  They could have played their backups against the Eagles back ups but chose to lay it all out to win and it got them SF. 

26 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

How about Love from GB?

Seems likely that Rodgers isn’t leaving, but I’m sure he will want them to trade Love and remove that distraction.

Plus, he’s still on his rookie deal.

This is the line of thinking I hope the Eagles are taking.  I really think Rodgers has patched things up in GB and he's back...especially if they can lock up Adams.  They have really good talent at WR.  

I think we need to be looking at backup QBs around the league and seeing if there are any worth salvaging or guys who are buried.