Listened to Soloman WIlcots talk about Defenses on SIrius this Am, they were talking about how the Chiefs give up 31 points a game, because they play a bend but dont break defense. (Like the Eagles) And he was totally dissing that type of mentality, he said "you can tell the defenses where the DC is coaching the guys to allow the underneath completion,because they tend to give up a ton of yards and points"  He then went on to talk about defenses like Jim Johnsons, or Sean McDermott's where they run them like, no way am I gonna just let you complete the ball all over the field...

I happen to agree with Solly here, I really loathe the bend and break defenses. 

Agree about the franchise QB. 

Hurts should get every opportunity this year (seriously, please quit with the Minshew talk) so that there is no doubts one way or the other at the end of the season.

Either he proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he's the guy, or they have to go all in on finding their QB.

That decision has to be made THIS off season.

1 minute ago, Parrot Head said:

Agree about the franchise QB. 

Hurts should get every opportunity this year (seriously, please quit with the Minshew talk) so that there is no doubts one way or the other at the end of the season.

Either he proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he's the guy, or they have to go all in on finding their QB.

That has to happen THIS off season.

I would say within the next 2. Thanks to howie bungling the cap we maybstill next year to get old guys with big numbers off the books. If you strike out give minshew next yr while we repair the cap and roster.

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Amazing Defense with a ok or good QB is a playoff contender(probably not Superbowl winner)

Amazing QB with an ok or good defense if a playoff contender, probably not an SB winner

An ok QB and an OK to bad  defense makes for a long year.... <----- we're here. 

 

We are, but it's not a place Lowie can admit they are.  The Barnett salary restructure was a needless waste of cap space next year.

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

I would say within the next 2. Thanks to howie bungling the cap we maybstill next year to get old guys with big numbers off the books. If you strike out give minshew next yr while we repair the cap and roster.

This probably wouldn't be the worst thing in the world assuming they are not positioned to get their guy.

But, I am a firm believer, that if you ARE in position to get your guy, you do it ASAP, regardless of other circumstances.

Just now, UK Eagle said:

We are, but it's not a place Lowie can admit they are.  The Barnett salary restructure was a needless waste of cap space next year.

We were spending 10 million either way.  So it changes nothing, as we just rollover the savings to next year to absorb the cap hit.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

We were spending 10 million either way.  So it changes nothing, as we just rollover the savings to next year to absorb the cap hit.

If he is on the roster.  If he isn't, we get a 7 million dead cap hit right?

1 minute ago, Parrot Head said:

This probably wouldn't be the worst thing in the world assuming they are not positioned to get their guy.

But, I am a firm believer, that if you ARE in position to get your guy, you do it ASAP, regardless of other circumstances.

That i agree with. But have to be patient and not spaz out. Dont eat the marshmallow. 
if the qb you love isnt available we have plenty of needs on the OL and D

8 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

 

Urban is a top 5 dewish

Joe Brady be a nice fit for the Jags and Lawrence 

Leftwich another fit

Urban should be fired , the guy just doesn’t care  , and he and his pathetic staff he put together are in over their heads .

21 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Interesting Convo on the radio this morning. (Kinade). 

Hurts has either thrown or ran the ball 76% of the Eagles plays. 

In comparison, Kyler Murray was 61% and Lamar is 66%. Rodgers was 53%(might of been 51%)

Then they dove into the fact that this isnt Siriani's style of offense, that we dont know what NS really wants to do on offense and he's catering(poorly) to a kid who it seems the franchise doesnt think will be here next year. 

I get crap for being too honest about this team, but when you start getting into the Weeds about whats going on, I think we're FAR WORSE then what were seeing

I am not sure what you think other people are seeing.  It's not like the team is anything other than 1-3. They have been behind in every game at some point.  Part of the frequency of the passing is that they were far behind in both the KC and Dallas games.  Is Sirianni putting too much on Hurts? I mean the Eagles rank 5th in yards per play this season. I think they have run the highest number of RPOs in the League this year but can't recall a source for that info.  Sirianni's red zone play calling wasn't great albeit there were 2 TDs that were called back due to penalties.  I think the RPO approach is an analytically based approach.   Hurts is throwing in those RPOs when the better option would be to run. They should have more designed runs and commit to using Sanders more.  Sirianni hasn't done enough in at least 2 of the games.  

3 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Joe Brady be a nice fit for the Jags and Lawrence 

Leftwich another fit

Urban should be fired , the guy just doesn’t care  , and he and his pathetic staff he put together are in over their heads .

Just like the Eagles staff 

Urban giving the Jags cause to fire him this early is the best possible thing for the franchise. He was the worst hire of the offseason, and I think everyone but the Jags saw it coming. 

14 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

That i agree with. But have to be patient and not spaz out. Dont eat the marshmallow. 
if the qb you love isnt available we have plenty of needs on the OL and D

I’d agree but if Hurts fails (won’t know until later in the year to see if he builds off games and becomes consistent) then I’d guess lurie is going to Move heaven and earth to get that QB like they did when they made multiple moves to move up for wentz. I don’t think lurie (again assuming Hurts isn’t the guy which is unknown yet) will sit back and be idle for another offseason where he waits another year to get his franchise QB. I especially think that if Russell Wilson asks out of seattle. I tend to agree with Don. i think it would be either Wilson or watson if things don’t work out with hurts. 

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I am not sure what you think other people are seeing.  It's not like the team is anything other than 1-3. They have been behind in every game at some point.  Part of the frequency of the passing is that they were far behind in both the KC and Dallas games.  Is Sirianni putting too much on Hurts? I mean the Eagles rank 5th in yards per play this season. I think they have run the highest number of RPOs in the League this year but can't recall a source for that info.  Sirianni's red zone play calling wasn't great albeit there were 2 TDs that were called back due to penalties.  I think the RPO approach is an analytically based approach.   Hurts is throwing in those RPOs when the better option would be to run. They should have more designed runs and commit to using Sanders more.  Sirianni hasn't done enough in at least 2 of the games.  

Sirianni's offense seems to be OK. Guys are open, we've been able to move the ball, we've been able to hit on deep shots and dink and dunk stuff. There's been some missed opportunities for sure, but the one area that really needs to improve is the red zone. It's been a complete train wreck down there. The lack of running is a side issue, I'd be more concerned if we were just going 3 and out constantly passing, but that's not the case. Where the lack of running really hurts (no pun intended) is in the RZ. There's no flow, and Sanders isn't a bruiser to begin with who can just hammer it between the tackles. Even with all of that said, there's still been plays to make in the RZ, Ward and Goedert this past week come to mind. 

The other issue, and perhaps this goes hand in hand with the RZ issues, is Sirianni's situational awareness seems lacking. Taking a TO to then kick a FG on 4th and short in the RZ last week, instead of just taking a 5 yard penalty was dumb. I read that Hurts had called the TO, but whatever, both need to be aware of the situation. Obviously the penalties are a huge issue. Clean up the penalties, and improve in RZ efficiency, and this team isn't as bad as it looks IMO. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d agree but if Hurts fails (won’t know until later in the year to see if he builds off games and becomes consistent) then I’d guess lurie is going to Move heaven and earth to get that QB like they did when they made multiple moves to move up for wentz. I don’t think lurie (again assuming Hurts isn’t the guy which is unknown yet) will sit back and be idle for another offseason where he waits another year to get his franchise QB. I especially think that if Russell Wilson asks out of seattle. I tend to agree with Don. i think it would be either Wilson or watson if things don’t work out with hurts. 

It would be such a mistake to go after Wilson/Watson/Rodgers/whoever. Unless you don't have to give up any draft capital, which is obviously not gonna happen. We really need to infuse the D with talent, and need our draft picks to do so. None of those QBs puts us where we need to be, as we'd be hamstrung by a horrible defense. 

Firing Urban is the easy part , it’s how to settle that huge contract 

I think some media folks, and probably some fans, are failing to consider Sirianni's perspective when it comes to his playcalling and run/pass ratio

Disclaimer:  the Dallas game was insane, historically insane, and Sirianni should never do that again unless he gets a HOF type of QB

 

But think of it from his side:

--he wants to know, and to prove, that his offense and scheme work.  He wants to prove he can game plan and call plays.  That is irrespective of his players and specifically his QB.  As a first time HC, it is critical for his career that he proves that.

--However, he also needs to field at least a respectable offense.  To do so, he cant run 100% of his stuff.  Hes got to cater to his team and as we all know, he said he wants to do that.   But dont forget about my above point.   If he goes too far down that road, and strays from "his" scheme and fails, there's a chance he gets fired by running an offense he doesnt like with players he didnt pick.  Tough spot

--Now fast forward to game day.  He sees Hurts struggling, what does he do?  He knows the team probably wont win this year, so hes gotta show something.   He sees that his game plan and scheme are pretty much working, guys are wide open.   He has chosen to keep passing.  Dont think that the factors above dont weigh on that decision.

Sirianni needs to accomplish a few things this year:. Demonstrate he can game plan, that he can call plays, that he can develop, and then later that he can pick out some player.

I think he's proven that his scheme works.  Thats my opinion, but Im sold.   

Playcalling?  Jurys out

Game planning?  Jurys out

2 minutes ago, DireWolf said:

Wait a second. Now you believe as a "fan of a franchise" you have the ability to hire or fire people in 14 states away ? 

Btw, who gives a shite about Jacksonville? 

Who gives a shite about your attention seeking videos , you bore us with ?

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

It would be such a mistake to go after Wilson/Watson/Rodgers/whoever. Unless you don't have to give up any draft capital, which is obviously not gonna happen. We really need to infuse the D with talent, and need our draft picks to do so. None of those QBs puts us where we need to be, as we'd be hamstrung by a horrible defense. 

And yet you think lurie wouldn’t make those moves? You are under the impression lurie doesnt think QB is the most important position and getting one is ultimately franchise changing in his mind. If we go back to his press conference after they fired chip and after they drafted wentz he tells everyone that. So I’d be betting that still applies and lurie is going to make that move if Hurts isn’t the answer. 

also i think they have been building up that draft capital in case they have to do it. The issue waiting for one is you might not love one the following year, might not be one on the market nearly as good or if you go to that draft you might not be picking high enough or the teams ahead don’t want to trade back with you to get the one you cover or you don’t have the draft capital then to go get that qb. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

And yet you think lurie wouldn’t make those moves? You are under the impression lurie doesnt think QB is the most important position and getting one is ultimately franchise changing in his mind. If we go back to his press conference after they fired chip and after the drafted wentz he tells everyone that. So I’d be betting that still applies and lurie is going to make that move. 

also i think they have been building up that draft capital in case they have to do it. The issue waiting for one is you might not love one the following year, might not be one on the market nearly as good or if you go to that draft you might not be picking high enough or the teams ahead don’t want to trade back with you to get the one you cover or you don’t have the draft capital then to go get that qb. 

Oh I know Lurie's obsession. And you're probably right he'll go hard after one. I just think it would be the wrong move at this time. 

 

45 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I have heard people discuss you build the team first and then get your Franchise QB,  which assumes you will be able to find one when you have the team built, and keep the team together while your QB develops. To me thats arse backwards thinking. You need to get your franchise QB and build around him. Never stop trying to get your franchise QB no matter what the costs. The #'s tell you, YOU CANNOT WIN WITHOUT ONE!

No "franchise QB" is winning a championship with the current state of this roster.  

This is a hard cap league on salary.  The Eagles have no talent on defense.  Graham is 33 and gone for the year.  Cox is past his prime, Slay is past his prime, McLeod is almost done.  

Wilson and Watson both have no-trade clauses -- that means they get to choose where they play, if traded.  They're not coming here.  Rodgers isn't coming here.  Rodgers and Wilson both have grievances with their teams over the state of their rosters -- those rosters are far better than the Eagles' roster.  The sooner folks put any notion of Wilson, Rodgers, or Watson playing for the Eagles out of their minds, the happier they will be.  It's not gonna happen.  Say what you want about those 3 QBs; they're all smart enough not to willfully come to a 4-win team with limited young talent.

9 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

It would be such a mistake to go after Wilson/Watson/Rodgers/whoever. Unless you don't have to give up any draft capital, which is obviously not gonna happen. We really need to infuse the D with talent, and need our draft picks to do so. None of those QBs puts us where we need to be, as we'd be hamstrung by a horrible defense. 

LOL this is backwards thinking. You have to get a franchise QB to even start talking about contending. Yes the Defense needs help. BUt it starts witha  franchise QB, and since there are less of 32 of them, you have to get one when you have the chance.  PERIOD. No matter the capital. 

33 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

If he is on the roster.  If he isn't, we get a 7 million dead cap hit right?

That is all part of the original 10.05 million for his fifth year option.  They just moved 7 million to next year when they restructured.  It does not change the total cap dollars the Eagles will spend on him.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

No "franchise QB" is winning a championship with the current state of this roster.  

This is a hard cap league on salary.  The Eagles have no talent on defense.  Graham is 33 and gone for the year.  Cox is past his prime, Slay is past his prime, McLeod is almost done.  

Wilson and Watson both have no-trade clauses -- that means they get to choose where they play, if traded.  They're not coming here.  Rodgers isn't coming here.  Rodgers and Wilson both have grievances with their teams over the state of their rosters -- those rosters are far better than the Eagles' roster.  The sooner folks put any notion of Wilson, Rodgers, or Watson playing for the Eagles out of their minds, the happier they will be.  It's not gonna happen.  Say what you want about those 3 QBs; they're all smart enough not to willfully come to a 4-win team with limited young talent.

LOL

 No one said there were going to win with this roster.

Not having a franchise QB means no matter how good the roster is, you  most likely aren't winning a SB anyway. 

It's the chicken and the egg, but here is the key, there are less than 32 Franchise QB's, meaning there will always be teams without one. Those teams are perrennial no shows. SInce there is less than 32 , when you have the opportunity to get one, YOU HAVE TO TRY TO GET THEM. PERIOD. Or you can be a perrennial loser.