4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

What the heck is a "franchise QB?" Is Cousins a franchise QB? Carr?

If you're talking elite QB, you're talking 3-5 in the NFL at any one time. McNabb wasn't, Vick wasn't, we've never had an elite QB the last six decades.

Once you accept getting an elite QB (Brady isn't anymore, he's lost a lot of arm strength) is a matter mostly of luck, right place at the right time sort of thing (Mahomes falling to KC), then you readjust, and focus on getting a top 10-15 guy and build a team around them. Eli won two SBs, and no one in their right mind thinks he was elite. Brees wasn't elite until he landed in NO with the right HC and the right skill people.

So the question this year is whether Hurts can develop enough to be that 10th or so ranked QB who can win with a good team around him.

TB won with "washed up" Brady, SF got to SB with Garopollo, Rams with Goff, Eagles won with Foles, Denver won with "washed up" Peyton, Ravens with Flacco.

Hurts has shown the raw physical ability, the question is whether he can speed up his mental processing with experience. And only one way to find out.

But given the track record of the other QBs drafted the past two years compared to Hurts, why would you gamble on a high draft pick rather than see if he pans out?

 

Didn’t fall to them they traded up to 10 to get him. They had a willing partner to trade up with   They didn’t have him fall them. They were picking mid 20s

14 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

Why does any care if a coach had a woman rubbing against him in a video?

No one actually cares about that. It's just the look it gives off when an 0-4 coach who was handed all the keys to a garbage franchise skips the team flight home to get some Ohio strange. Also its just funny his wife tweeted about being at home babysitting kids while her husband was out and then that video leaks. 

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Big Red won with McNabb, Garcia, broken down McNabb, Vick, A Smith.

 yes he got to the playoffs alot by just throwing and throwing and throwing it, and it wasn't until he got Mahommes until he WON THE SB. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

No one actually cares about that. It's just the look it gives off when an 0-4 coach who was handed all the keys to a garbage franchise skips the team flight home to get some Ohio strange. 

Just now, DireWolf said:

Show of hands. Anyone from Ohio in this room? 

F off already

2 hours ago, Parrot Head said:

This probably wouldn't be the worst thing in the world assuming they are not positioned to get their guy.

But, I am a firm believer, that if you ARE in position to get your guy, you do it ASAP, regardless of other circumstances.

I agree.  The question is... what do you do if there is no 'your guy' available when you are in position to get him? 

25 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Tell that to Big Red.

Didn't seem to need to Sunday

11 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Using Football Outsider's projected win totals, current estimate of draft order....

There's a very real chance we have 3 top 15 picks. Just need the Titans to not lose too many games.

1 hour ago, greend said:

But not enough score to win.  Idc about yards but winning. If you pass,pass,pass,pass you won't win.

Offense didn’t lose the game, the defense did.  

 

15 minutes ago, austinfan said:

What the heck is a "franchise QB?" Is Cousins a franchise QB? Carr?

If you're talking elite QB, you're talking 3-5 in the NFL at any one time. McNabb wasn't, Vick wasn't, we've never had an elite QB the last six decades.

Once you accept getting an elite QB (Brady isn't anymore, he's lost a lot of arm strength) is a matter mostly of luck, right place at the right time sort of thing (Mahomes falling to KC), then you readjust, and focus on getting a top 10-15 guy and build a team around them. Eli won two SBs, and no one in their right mind thinks he was elite. Brees wasn't elite until he landed in NO with the right HC and the right skill people.

So the question this year is whether Hurts can develop enough to be that 10th or so ranked QB who can win with a good team around him.

TB won with "washed up" Brady, SF got to SB with Garopollo, Rams with Goff, Eagles won with Foles, Denver won with "washed up" Peyton, Ravens with Flacco.

Hurts has shown the raw physical ability, the question is whether he can speed up his mental processing with experience. And only one way to find out.

But given the track record of the other QBs drafted the past two years compared to Hurts, why would you gamble on a high draft pick rather than see if he pans out?

 

And our Super Bowl record over that 6 decades reflects that

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

 yes he got to the playoffs alot by just throwing and throwing and throwing it, and it wasn't until he got Mahommes until he WON THE SB. 

I think the point is that there isn't a no-lose formula for finding the right QB. 

Sometimes you stumble upon a Brady, Wilson, or Dak.  Sometimes it's not the guy at the top of the board like Big Ben, Mahomes, or Herbert.  Sometimes it's timing, like when Peyton got injured the year when Luck came out.

We can debate approach, but until we see what Hurts becomes and fully evaluate the other options, it will be just that, a debate.

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Offense didn’t lose the game, the defense did.  

Did we win? No. Point still stands

21 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

Why does any care if a coach had a woman rubbing against him in a video?

I think the bad look is that he stayed behind in Ohio rather than traveling with the team.  My guess is that the reason he gave to stay in Ohio when they left was to 'spend time with my family', and instead of that, the video comes out.  

 

I don't care what Meyer does, never have.   But, if I am a player on that team, I expect my coach to be on the flight back to Jax with me and watching game film on how to fix what went wrong.   His actions were not professional in terms of fulfilling the duties of the HC of the team, not because of the bar incident, but because he was even there in an Ohio bar at that time in the first place.   He should have been in a Jax bar instead... and then likely no one cares.

50 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

So I've been sucked in to the Urban Myer rabbit hole.  What is happening here?  Does the guy in the reflection have pants on?  Who and why is he shooing someone away?  Is he on a boat?

 

 

 

I mean it kind of looks like he's on a boat.  

1 minute ago, greend said:

Did we win? No. Point still stands

But that's only one point.

Clearly not enough to win the argument.

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

I think the point is that there isn't a no-lose formula for finding the right QB. 

Sometimes you stumble upon a Brady, Wilson, or Dak.  Sometimes it's not the guy at the top of the board like Big Ben, Mahomes, or Herbert.  Sometimes it's timing, like when Peyton got injured the year when Luck came out.

We can debate approach, but until we see what Hurts becomes and fully evaluate the other options, it will be just that, a debate.

agree with that. Hurts could surprise me, but I'm not banking on it. And who knows what the landscape will look like at end of year. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think the bad look is that he stayed behind in Ohio rather than traveling with the team.  My guess is that the reason he gave to stay in Ohio when they left was to 'spend time with my family', and instead of that, the video comes out.  

 

I don't care what Meyer does, never have.   But, if I am a player on that team, I expect my coach to be on the flight back to Jax with me and watching game film on how to fix what went wrong.   His actions were not professional in terms of fulfilling the duties of the HC of the team, not because of the bar incident, but because he was even there in an Ohio bar at that time in the first place.   He should have been in a Jax bar instead... and then likely no one cares.

Yup. He's acting like he's still a college coach and can do whatever he wants. Students aren't ever going to question him. He's in the big leagues now where the players don't have to put up with it as much. 

45 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t disagree with your assessment that they’re going to scout them and have. They did that this year with Wilson and try to trade up to get Zack Wilson. The Eagles draft a quarterback high or trade for a quarterback, I don’t think Jalen hurts is going to be back. At that point I see them trading Jalen hurts to get some draft picks back and going with Gardner Minshew as the back up next year. I think Gardner Minshew was always going to be the back up in 2022. Question that is yet to be determined is who’s going to be the starting quarterback in 2022. But if hurts isn’t the guy and they bring someone else in then i don’t see him being back. 

The smart thing to do would be to trade Hurts if they draft a QB in the first round.  I would say there would be a greater than 50% chance Hurts is still here because the team is a QB factory. 

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

But that's only one point.

Clearly not enough to win the argument.

Maybe he shold have "run" a few more points by you then? 

 

 

30 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

LFG!

Yes, because all of his players are squeaky clean when they go out. 

25 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Off topic , but Zac Wilson had a heck of a game this past weekend , he showed off that arm .I had him as my top QB coming out . The jets get him some blocking and weapons  , look out 

Lawrence needs better coaching 

Lance needs time

Fields I don’t like him or his situation 

Jones is pretty much what everyone thought he was 

 

Oddly, I fully agree with this assessment of things. 

19 minutes ago, austinfan said:

What the heck is a "franchise QB?" Is Cousins a franchise QB? Carr?

If you're talking elite QB, you're talking 3-5 in the NFL at any one time. McNabb wasn't, Vick wasn't, we've never had an elite QB the last six decades.

Once you accept getting an elite QB (Brady isn't anymore, he's lost a lot of arm strength) is a matter mostly of luck, right place at the right time sort of thing (Mahomes falling to KC), then you readjust, and focus on getting a top 10-15 guy and build a team around them. Eli won two SBs, and no one in their right mind thinks he was elite. Brees wasn't elite until he landed in NO with the right HC and the right skill people.

So the question this year is whether Hurts can develop enough to be that 10th or so ranked QB who can win with a good team around him.

TB won with "washed up" Brady, SF got to SB with Garopollo, Rams with Goff, Eagles won with Foles, Denver won with "washed up" Peyton, Ravens with Flacco.

Hurts has shown the raw physical ability, the question is whether he can speed up his mental processing with experience. And only one way to find out.

But given the track record of the other QBs drafted the past two years compared to Hurts, why would you gamble on a high draft pick rather than see if he pans out?

 

Mahomes didn't really fall to KC, though.  They traded up from 27 to 10 in a brilliant move -- because when the name Patrick Mahomes was announced as the #10 overall pick most observers said "WTF?"

Simply a brilliant move by identifying talent where no one else did, where was the right value to move up and grab him, and -- most of all -- understanding that Reid could get the most out of that talent.

 

42 minutes ago, greend said:

And our Super Bowl record over that 6 decades reflects that

all I know is when you recognize you dont have an "elite" or Franchise Qb, you need to keep trying to get one, because you are doomed to irellevancy without one.